Chivalry please-a vent

[OandA]

I'm pretty sure that those who are flipping out on the OP will change their minds very quickly if GOD FORBID something happens to them or loved ones causing a disability or they grow older.

I have been in Disney with family like that. Instead of expecting things from other people, I went out of my way to make sure I didn't have to. Before doing something, be responsible and plan. Check buses for seating, buildings that have elevators, restaurants that have children's food before just doing things and making others accommodate you.

 

[disneybride2010]

Probably not going to sit well with many posters, but We just returned from our 25th trip since 2004 and we have only rented a car on 2 of the trips. Disney transportation is really amazing with the number of people transported each day.

I for one would like to see buses with no seats, standing room only. Also maybe only allow 1 carry on personal item, small bag. This would allow those of us who don't want to hear all the complaints from others because for some reason they deserve a seat even thou everyone waits for the bus and chose to leave the parks at that particular time.

Another unwanted suggestion is take the people in your party back to the resort before they are so tired they can't stand up for the ride back to the resort. It amazes me the number of parents who apologize for the behavior of their children by saying this is their normal nap time or they are really tired.

Our trip this past March has been the most crowded and dare I say the worse experience with people (visitors) we have ever had. I think the deals Disney is offering has brought in people whom could NEVER afford vacations.

Flame suit is on. BTW we have 3 children and until the youngest 2 turned 12 we always had 1 adult per child, we just took extra adults with us.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Your grandmother is clinging to a bar for dear life. Do you hope that someone offers her a seat? Or do you figure "well....she shouldn't have been so irresponsible as to get on the bus in the first place..."

As I (think I must have) said in a response above - especially at a bus's starting point, one can generally estimate by the number of Guests in line/boarding and the bus itself, whether there will be seats by the time you get on. If there are twenty or thirty people ahead of you when the bus comes, chances are you're going to stand - or at least some of you will; or if there are seats, they won't all be together.

 

[Tara922c]

This post has been on my mind the whole night, so I thought I would post again before going to bed.

A person should not expect a seat on a WDW bus. The busses are crowded, and you are lucky to get a seat. If you want to guarentee yourself a seat, you can do one of two things, 1. leave the park early, or 2. linger around the park until you are the last family standing. Some people are not going to get out of their seat no matter what. Some people are distracted by other things that they do not realise that their is an eldery lady a few feet away hanging on for dear life. That's just the way it is.

I would, and my boyfriend would give up our seats for someone who was holding a small child, an eldery person, a small child, or a pregnant woman. I wouldn't feel compfertable sitting down while a person of is holding a 2 year old in one arm, and trying to hold on to the handle with the other. Do I think it is crappy for a grown man (assuming there is nothing physically wrong with him) to sit down while a pregnant woman, a woman with a small child, or an eldery person is standing right in front of him on a moving bus? Yes I do. Do I think it is crappy for a grown man to sit with his family while two young women stand on the bus in front of him, no. The thing is, my opnion should not matter to someone who doesn't want to give up their seat. If you don't want to give it up, then don't. Simple as that. Some people are going to think you are rude, and it doesn't really matter, because some people are going to think that the standing person should have waited for another bus.

I don't think the OP is an irrespondsible parent. Those busses fill up fast, and with out warning. If my 4 year olds were 3 seats ahead of me, and I could see them, I would be okay with that. I would tell them to sit still until I get back to them. I don't think I could hold my 2 year old standing on a moving bus, and that is why we will not be using WDW transpertation. No Thank-you!!

 

[kaytieeldr]

OK, I'll probably get flames for this, but...shouldn't the bus drivers take a little (well, a lot) of responsibility for bus safety (how fast people board, # of people on board)?

That actually sounds more like it should be recommended to Disney as an overall procedure.

There's contact information at disneyworld.com, or I'm sure someone here can pop up with the e-mail address.

 

[Krisy1301]

I have been in Disney with family like that. Instead of expecting things from other people, I went out of my way to make sure I didn't have to. Before doing something, be responsible and plan. Check buses for seating, buildings that have elevators, restaurants that have children's food before just doing things and making others accommodate you.

I think the restaurants that have children's food is a little different. I wouldn't equate it with my previous post.

I guess we could go a bit further and say what if we didn't put elevators in buildings. For instance, what if we just decided that we just didn't want to put them in for sake of cost and for that reason all buildings were not equipped with them. What would you do? I mean, in an instance you would be upset right because you couldn't utilize the hotel. What if you couldn't get a ground floor? Why would you expect it? You can't rely or expect others to accomodate you right?

 

[TM1982]

I just want to take this a step further...

now granted..I know that those opposing the OP may say to my previous post that the OP is not disabled or and elder but would there be a different response to her if there was?

Just curious.


So the question is: do you follow the requests/signs on many public transportation to give up your seat for someone disabled or an elder?

I'm almost positive that signs are only for disabled people, not elderly. Regardless, if a disabled person comes on the bus, the bus driver will force you to get off your seat. And he wouldn't even have to tell me because as soon as I saw a disabled person, I would gladly hop out of my seat.

As far as elderly goes, there is no rule that they have to get a seat. But like I said in an earlier post, I just plain feel bad when I see a person over 70 who just looks absolutely incapable of standing and I will gladly offer them my seat.

 

[Krisy1301]

I'm almost positive that signs are only for disabled people, not elderly. Regardless, if a disabled person comes on the bus, the bus driver will force you to get off your seat. And he wouldn't even have to tell me because as soon as I saw a disabled person, I would gladly hop out of my seat.

As far as elderly goes, there is no rule that they have to get a seat. But like I said in an earlier post, I just plain feel bad when I see a person over 70 who just looks absolutely incapable of standing and I will gladly offer them my seat.

Hey TM, thank you for your response. Just so you know, I put in elderly because the T station here in Boston does have signs that include both.

 

[Robindianne]

In a perfect world, women wouldn't have to stand, holding their kids, on a bus.

Wait a sec. Because someone has a vajayjay they shouldn't have to stand? Come ON! That's not chivalry. That's lunacy

 

[kaytieeldr]

I'm almost positive that signs are only for disabled people, not elderly. Regardless, if a disabled person comes on the bus, the bus driver will force you to get off your seat.

Hey TM, thank you for your response. Just so you know, I put in elderly because the T station here in Boston does have signs that include both.

I rarely use public transportation here, but three experiences :
Another otherly-abled passenger on the subway car yelled at someone in one of those seats to get up and let me sit down;
When the tram at Wellington existed but wasn't working, and the T was busing subway riders to the garage, my bus driver refused to move the bus until somebody - in one of the designated seats - got up so I could sit (because, I think, she didn't want me falling on her or any passengers :;
And one time on the commuter rail, an attendant who recognized me and my cane approached five passengers in facing seats and requested that one of them get up and allow me to sit. Four men, one woman. Guess who got up?

*Location named because it's part of Boston's "T" (MBTA) system, which one quoted poster mentioned.

 

[inkkognito]

There is really only one way to fix this. Disney needs to assign a BSDL (bus seat deserving level) to each guest as they check in at their resort. It would be clearly marked on your Key to the World Card. A hidden disability would be worth x number of points, as would being a senior citizen or having small children. If you're young and healthy, God help you because your rank would be woefully low. Then, as you enter the bus, seats would be doled out by BSDL rank (patent pending). Waiting for another bus wouldn't do you rude healthy types any good because even if you're first in line for the next one, the higher-ranked BSDLs still get first crack at the seats. It would be a nice, objective system to sort out this obviously hot-button topic.

(For the record, when I had a knee injury and visited WDW, I (gasp!) took personal responsibility and waited for another bus if the current one was standing room only.)

 

[Krisy1301]

I rarely use public transportation here, but three experiences :
Another otherly-abled passenger on the subway car yelled at someone in one of those seats to get up and let me sit down;
When the tram at Wellington existed but wasn't working, and the T was busing subway riders to the garage, my bus driver refused to move the bus until somebody - in one of the designated seats - got up so I could sit (because, I think, she didn't want me falling on her or any passengers :;
And one time on the commuter rail, an attendant who recognized me and my cane approached five passengers in facing seats and requested that one of them get up and allow me to sit. Four men, one woman. Guess who got up?

*Location named because it's part of Boston's "T" (MBTA) system, which one quoted poster mentioned.

The reason the signs are put there is for people who need the seats, you know? Eh, ridiculus. I'm sorry that people have to be asked to give their seat up..

 

[Krisy1301]

Wait a sec. Because someone has a vajayjay they shouldn't have to stand? Come ON! That's not chivalry. That's lunacy

I agree. Just because you are a woman, it shouldn't make you automatically accessible.

 

[Lynn5700]

I actually like to stand on the bus...means I'm the first one off HAHA.

If I see somebody who needs a seat I will gladly offer it.

 

[TM1982]

I agree. Just because you are a woman, it shouldn't make you automatically accessible.

Yup as someone said, this ended with the equal rights movement. People want to be treated equally, so they will be!

 

[TM1982]

I actually like to stand on the bus...means I'm the first one off HAHA.

If I see somebody who needs a seat I will gladly offer it.

Lynn, I would gladly make an exception and offer you my seat

 

[Lynn5700]

Lynn, I would gladly make an exception and offer you my seat

HAHA

 

[TM1982]

haha

lol

 

[lacrosse_lady72]

Hey TM, thank you for your response. Just so you know, I put in elderly because the T station here in Boston does have signs that include both.

Same in Portland, it says "for Seniors and people with disabilities"

 

[PaulaSB12]

Amen to that!

Manners and polite behavior are almost dead, due to the entitlement-based country we seem to be living in. Here's basic rules I've taught my children:

1. If you're a male, you give up your seat on the bus to women, children, elderly people, etc; you also hold open doors. If you're a female, you give up your seat for pregnant women & elderly people

2. Take your #%$^^$# hat off when our national anthem plays (this actually makes me sick when I see grown men at sporting events leave theirs on, and I am a Liberal!); put your hand over your heart while you're at it (and while you say the pledge

3. When someone sneezes, bless them

4. Please and thank you...thank you!

5. Nobody at the table eats until everyone has been served; the guest of honor goes first in a buffet line; help the little ones or the old ones if they need it

6. You don't pass up a funeral procession...stop your car and let them pass; if you're walking and one drives past, stop walking an bow your head

7. Put your flag up on 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, 9/11, Presidents Day, Election Day...and take it down at night, for cripes sake (unless it is lit)

8. Aunts and Uncles will be addressed as such...no adult is called by their first name unless there is a "Mister" or "Ms" attached to it

9. Tables are for glasses, chairs are for *sses!

10. Don't be a jerk, its not pretty.

That said, a lovely man gave up his seat on a WDW bus in October 2006 when he saw I was ill and he also made sure I got off the bus okay. Thanks to him, he did this in front of his son and set a good example.

Teach your children well.

Rule 2 how does taking your hat of make you more patriotic? Why do you put you hand on your heart?

3 Saying bless you might be taken the wrong way

5 why wait for your food to get cold

6 ???????????????????????????????????

7 and that makes you patriotic how

8 I have never and never will be called auntie that was my choice and its how I am called my my nieces and nephew they do respect me (they better I have the baby pictures and I am willing to use them )