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Like I said before, anyone who pays to get into a park or to stay at a resort is a guest. This is a business first and foremost, so Disney will give you that label if you are willing to spend that amount of money. BUT, I think there is a line that a park guest should not cross if they are not willing to spend the grand amount of cash that I spend to stay on-site. In part, I am paying for exclusivity....it's not fair that the park guest gets to come to the campfire, movie or pool when my resort fees are paying for those amenities.

You have to understand the business end of this. Disney charges a certain amount of dollars for each park ticket to cover operating expenses within the parks and for those park guests to get transportation back to their cars....they don't add extra money to the park tickets, so the non-resort guest can come use the resort amenities after they leave the parks.

And again, even if you don't see that logic from a business standpoint, there is a matter of just understanding (morally) what is right and wrong. And I think it's wrong that those staying offsite feel so entitled to cross the line into the area of "resort guest."


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EXACTLY !!!
Very well put, plain and simple , easy to understand , no play on words, no political correct crap You nailed it absolutely., d.dude.
Except for the fact that some of these (and others) folk here just want to try justify their actions ,,,there is absolutely no way that people can not understand whats right or wrong with this FREE crap,,I just can't believe that their parents raised them to believe like that.

Yes, Disney is AWESOME , Disney is GREAT, Disney is absolutely the best time ever ! But everyone knoews that Disney is a MONEY MACHINE !!! THEY DO NOT GIVE AWAY FOR FREE ! NOTHING IS FREE !!

As dudely said, you wanna be a Disney GUEST, Disney GUEST PAY !! You PAY to be a GUEST at that park , if you go see a Disney's cirque du soleil, then you are a GUEST of that show /function , THEY ARE NOT GONNA LET YOU IN UNLESS YOU PAY ! IF YOU DON'T PAY , do you still think they call you a guest ??? NO !! And if you think they still call you a guest, then you are a guest standing OUTSIDE the park, show , function , whatever
while the folk who PAID to enjoy these things are INSIDE ! (you know, the GUEST)



Just got in from work.Sorry took so long to post dudely,.
 
My I suggest an experiment. Next time on property go pay the Contemporary (or Poly, GF, WL or what ever) a visit. When you get to the front gate explain to the guard you are staying outside but since you have driven onto property, that makes you a "Disney Resort guest" and you want/demand to use the pool. See what he/she says. I am sure they will be more then happy to give you an official definition of the phrase "Disney Resort guest". :)

The first time we went to WDW, we stayed at a value resort - on our departure day, we went to CBR and told the gate guard that we planned to come back in a couple of years and wondered if it would be worthwhile to upgrade to a moderate and we asked if it would be okay to have lunch at the CBR foodcourt. They let us pass right through and we did walk all over the grounds and eat at the foodcourt. We didn't use the pool or anything like that but we also weren't told to go back to our value-resort guest of the fence.

Several years later, I became a travel agent & I've tried to visit all of the Disney resorts firsthand so that I can provide good information to my clients. There have been lots and lots of times that I've gone to the gate guard, presented my Travel Agent ID, and told them just that and they've always told me where to park, given me a map, and told me a bit about the resort amenities. I've never been told that I couldn't visit the resort. Of course, I am there in a travel-related professional capacity and suppose that could be a factor.

We've stayed at a value resort which doesn't have a marina so we've used our sea-racer coupons at Wilderness Lodge and at Beach Club. They never said that those marinas were only for the guests of those resorts.

We've gone to POR to hear Bob Jackson and POFQ to hear Elliot Dyson, even when we weren't staying at those resorts and it was never an issue. We always purchased beverages at the bar and have tipped the performers.

We've also driven to FW for the campfire sing-along many times and they've always given us permission to pass through. We wouldn't use the resort pools, of course. But it was our understanding that certain things - like the riding stables, the restaurants, and the movie were open to everyone; not just guests of the campground. We once rented a canoe at the campground and that seemed fine, even though we were at another WDW resort.

There have also been times when I've gone to resort restaurants, even though I wasn't visiting any Disney parks or staying at a resort. We took a Royal Caribbean cruise and my flight was out of Orlando so we had lunch at Whispering Canyon (over at the Wilderness Lodge). Disney asked, when I booked the reservation, if I was staying at a Disney resort and I told them that I wasn't - they didn't prohibit the reservation. There have also been times when we stayed off-property and purchased park tickets but have still used Disney transportation to get to restaurants at resorts (ie - gone by Monorail from the Magic Kingdom to the Polynesian to dine at Ohana) - again, they knew we were staying off-property when we booked the reservation but didn't offer any prohibitions against using resort transportation.

In Maui, I've paid to attend a Luau at a resort, even though I wasn't staying there. I've eaten brunch in the Empress Hotel in Victoria, BC even thought the hotel is way out of my price range. I just got back from Yellowstone and was able to take the free tour of the Old Faithful Inn, even though we were staying at a campground. A lot of golf resorts allow non-guests to use the golf course, though the pricing is sometimes different for non-guests. Other times, the prices for these activities is the same whether you stay there or not - the proximity to these activities is the primary benefit provided by staying at that hotel. Or the hotels contract services to outside vendors and those vendors set the prices.

It's hard to know where to draw the line. Is it okay for the person with a Boma reservation to visit the Animal Kingdom gift shop? What if the restaurant cannot seat them on time, is it okay for the guest to sit in the lobby while they wait for a table? Is the lobby okay but the savannah's are off limits? Where do you draw the line? And yet, you do have to acknowledge that the person staying at a deluxe resort is paying for deluxe amenities. As a travel agent, I feel that it is the responsibility of the resort to clearly spell out the policies concerning non-resort guest use of fascilities - which areas are "public" and which are "for guests of this resort only". If they don't, people just end up in raging debates on forums - hard to believe, but true. :)
 
As a travel agent, I feel that it is the responsibility of the resort to clearly spell out the policies concerning non-resort guest use of fascilities - which areas are "public" and which are "for guests of this resort only". If they don't, people just end up in raging debates on forums - hard to believe, but true. :)
Agreed!! As a guest, I agree with this statement. This is where Disney fails the test. They may or may not have rules, and even when a rule is known it is enforced sporadically. A hard and fast rule is not in place. Folks are being left to their own devices to define the word guest or are asked the perceived morality of their actions. It should not be left to the customer to decide, it should be spelled out for them so they understand up front.
 

ajcolorado, did you notice that everything you mentioned (with the exception of walking around just to look) was to pay for something you bought ,a show, entertainment, etc.,,you paid for these things and as a guest that paid you were able to enjoy them. I really don't have a problem at all with folk who pay to enjoy amenities. It's the people who aren't staying on property and/or don't pay (for what THEY call FREE amenities for everyone) that bothers me.

 
ajcolorado, did you notice that everything you mentioned (with the exception of walking around just to look) was to pay for something you bought.

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AJ,

You spent alot of time only to give us glaring examples of what we have been trying to say. You missed the point if you think that our argument doesn't allow for ANYONE to visit ANY resort at ANY time to look around, shop at the stores, eat at the restaurants or pay to use a service like horseback riding. You are spending money for exactly what you are consuming / using and then simply taking in the sites and touring the resorts....no harm in that as long as you aren't trying to take advantage of the amenities that are for resort guests (ie pool usage, campfire, fitness equip).

And, I also think that there is no problem with the paying, resort guests to use certain free amenities at other resorts (for example, Im staying at BLT and go to the campfire at FW). What is the harm if all resort guests cross over to other resorts to use each other's amenities (although I believe there only certain pools that you are allowed to "pool-hop" to).

And to be clear, staying offsite and paying for smores at the campfire is not covering the costs of the actual entertainment at the campfire...resort guests are covering those costs when they pay to stay onsite.

There...we have officially beaten a dead horse.
 
This seems to have turned into a pretty crazy argument and I hate to drudge up an old thread, but I was very interested in the Campfire Sing Along.

I called Fort Wilderness directly about this and I was told that off property guests are more than welcome at the campfire and to stay for the movie. I will be staying offsite, Sheraton Vistana Villages, and I was hoping to stop by but had the same moral issue that was discussed here (guest vs. visitor debate aside). I just called up the resort for confirmation that this was not exclusive for guests of the resort only, yes I explicitly explained that I was staying offsite and would not be spending any nights/days at Fort Wilderness, and WE ARE GOOD TO GO!

She also informed me that the petting zoo, bike rentals, boat rides, etc. were also available for off-site visitors. Hope this is helpful
 















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