Cheney reasserts al-Qaida-Saddam connection

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Even as latest Pentagon report again dismisses link. I dont understand the point of this. It has been dismissed now over and over and Cheney keeps beating a dead horse. Do people really listen to what this man says? Do they really believe just because he is saying it that its true?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17975678/


Updated: 31 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney repeated his assertions of al-Qaida links to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq on Thursday as the Defense Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.

Cheney contended that al-Qaida was operating in Iraq before the March 2003 invasion led by U.S. forces and that terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was leading the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida. Others in al-Qaida planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

“He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq, organized the al-Qaida operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene and then, of course, led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June,” Cheney told radio host Rush Limbaugh during an interview. “As I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq.”

However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist organization and the Saddam government were not working together before the invasion.

The Sept. 11 Commission’s 2004 report also found no evidence of a collaborative relationship between Saddam and Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida network during that period
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, had requested that the Pentagon declassify the report prepared by acting Defense Department Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble. In a statement Thursday, Levin said the declassified document showed why a Defense Department investigation had concluded that some Pentagon prewar intelligence work was inappropriate.

The report, which had been released in summary form in February, said that former Pentagon policy chief Douglas J. Feith had acted inappropriately but not illegally in reviewing prewar intelligence. Levin has claimed that Feith’s intelligence assessment was wrong and distorted but nevertheless formed part of the basis on which President Bush took the country to war.

Although Feith’s assessment in mid-2002 offered several examples of cooperation between Saddam’s government and al-Qaida, the report said, the CIA had concluded months earlier that no evidence supported the existence of significant or long-term relationships.
 
Very courageous for the writer to conceal their name. Sorry - nobody will ever convince me that Saddam wasn't a contributer. And no....it has nothing to do with believing everything that Bush and Cheney say. It's ME and what I believe to be true. Also, what about Salman Pak? The 911 hijackers and other terrorists trained there with Saddams approval. This camp specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.
 
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That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
Very courageous for the writer to conceal their name. Sorry - nobody will ever convince me that Saddam wasn't a contributer. And no....it has nothing to do with believing everything that Bush and Cheney say. It's ME and what I believe to be true. Also, what about Salman Pak? The 911 hijackers and other terrorists trained there with Saddams approval. This camp specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.

Well, just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's true. Read page 108: http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf


I will say I can't tell from this article where it says Cheney mentions Saddam; he just says Al Qaeda was present in Iraq. Which, of course, means nothing in itself. Al Qaeda was present in the USA before 9/11. :sad2:
 

Cheney embarasses himself and the administration by repeating this long debunked myth. The military intelligence agencies, CIA, and State Department have all said that there is no Saddam - al Qaeda link. Condi Rice has publicly said that there was no link between Saddam and al Qaeda. Saddam was a secular tyrant who ruthlessly suppressed Islamist groups.

He "turned" to religion in the days before the Iraq War began in an attempt to rally the Islamic world, but its questionable whether or not he was even a believer. Saddam was a megalomaniac who only believed in himself.
 
Also, what about Salman Pak? The 911 hijackers and other terrorists trained there with Saddams approval.
No they didn't. Who told you they did? We know where they trained - in the US mostly.

Seriously, who told you the 9/11 hijackers trained in Iraq???
 
The continued lie from the VP only reinforces my belief this administration needs to be impeached.
 
"No one will ever convince me..."

:sad2:

Sure...I mean...why let little things like FACTS determine truth?
 
Read the story again: Cheney said that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Iraq before the invasion and that he was operating the al-Qaida network. Cheney did not say that Saddam was helping them. He did not say that Iraq was allowing it. He said Al-Qaida was in Iraq and was operating there.

From news reports that I have seen (ABC, CBS, MSNBC, BBC) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida where in Iraq before we invaded. So Cheney is correct in what HE said.

The writer is trying to link 2 seperate topics.

Edit to Add: the actual quote: "Remember Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist, an Al-Qaeda affiliate. He ran a training camp in Afghanistan for Al-Qaeda, then migrated after we went into Afghanistan and shut 'em down there, he went to Baghdad. He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq, organized the Al-Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene and then of course led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June. He's the guy who arranged the booming of the Samarra mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shi'a and Sunni. This is Al-Qaeda operating in Iraq, and as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq. There's no way you can segment out and say, "Well, we'll fight the war on terror in Pakistan or Afghanistan but we can separate Iraq. That's not really, in any way, shape, or form related." It's just dead wrong. Bin Laden has said this is the central battle in the war on terror."
 
From news reports that I have seen (ABC, CBS, MSNBC, BBC) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida where in Iraq before we invaded. So Cheney is correct in what HE said.
No, he's not. Although al-Zarqawi was in Iraq, he wasn't part of al-Queda then.

The vice-president of the United States just lied to you. Or, if you don't want to believe he lied, then the vice-predient of the United States is woefully ignorant of very basic facts. Which is it?

Now ask yourself why Cheney brought up al-Zarqawi? Because he is trying to justify the war against Saddam. What key point did Cheney leave out?

Namely, that Saddam and al-Zarqawi were enemies and that Saddam was actively seeking to eliminate al-Zarqawi. Don't you think that worth bringing up?
 
No, he's not. Although al-Zarqawi was in Iraq, he wasn't part of al-Queda then.

The vice-president of the United States just lied to you. Or, if you don't want to believe he lied, then the vice-predient of the United States is woefully ignorant of very basic facts. Which is it?

Now ask yourself why Cheney brought up al-Zarqawi? Because he is trying to justify the war against Saddam. What key point did Cheney leave out?

Namely, that Saddam and al-Zarqawi were enemies and that Saddam was actively seeking to eliminate al-Zarqawi. Don't you think that worth bringing up?

al-Zarqawi was a terrorist. Al-Queda is a terrorist organization. We are fighting a war against terrorist.

Al-Zarqawi wasn't an al0Quade member when he first went to Iraq, but he joined them later. He was still a terrorist and we are still fighting terrorist. Does it matter who joined what when when they where all terrorist?

Does it matter what a terrorist calls himself?

You see lies, I see the US fighting terrorist.
 
al-Zarqawi was a terrorist. Al-Queda is a terrorist organization. We are fighting a war against terrorist.

Al-Zarqawi wasn't an al0Quade member when he first went to Iraq, but he joined them later. He was still a terrorist and we are still fighting terrorist. Does it matter who joined what when when they where all terrorist?
It does if you are Vice President Cheney and you tell the American people that Al-Qaeda was opperating in Iraq when we went to war because Al-Zarqawi was there.

The VP of the United States just lied to you. Again. Do you care?

Keep in mind that we didn't go to war in Iraq to get rid of Al-Zarqawi. We went to war in Iraq to get rid of a guy who was trying to stop Al-Zarqawi.

We could easily have stopped Al-Zarqawi without touching Saddam. Al-Zarqawi was a bad guy. But is existence didn't justify at all our going to war against Saddam. Why is the Vice President trying to use him as justification for war against Saddam???
 
It does if you are Vice President Cheney and you tell the American people that Al-Qaeda was opperating in Iraq when we went to war because Al-Zarqawi was there.

The VP of the United States just lied to you. Again. Do you care?

Keep in mind that we didn't go to war in Iraq to get rid of Al-Zarqawi. We went to war in Iraq to get rid of a guy who was trying to stop Al-Zarqawi.

We could easily have stopped Al-Zarqawi without touching Saddam. Al-Zarqawi was a bad guy. But is existence didn't justify at all our going to war against Saddam. Why is the Vice President trying to use him as justification for war against Saddam???

You see lies, I don't.
 
Updated: 31 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney repeated his assertions of al-Qaida links to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq on Thursday as the Defense Department released a report citing more evidence that the prewar government did not cooperate with the terrorist group.

:laughing: Lets just watch his nose grow!

...and the Great Pumpkin will rise from the Pumpkin patch and deliver toys to all the good boys & girls!:3dglasses

The VP is just beyond pathetic at this point!
 
Read the story again: Cheney said that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Iraq before the invasion and that he was operating the al-Qaida network. Cheney did not say that Saddam was helping them. He did not say that Iraq was allowing it. He said Al-Qaida was in Iraq and was operating there.

From news reports that I have seen (ABC, CBS, MSNBC, BBC) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida where in Iraq before we invaded. So Cheney is correct in what HE said.

The writer is trying to link 2 seperate topics.

Edit to Add: the actual quote: "Remember Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist, an Al-Qaeda affiliate. He ran a training camp in Afghanistan for Al-Qaeda, then migrated after we went into Afghanistan and shut 'em down there, he went to Baghdad. He took up residence there before we ever launched into Iraq, organized the Al-Qaeda operations inside Iraq before we even arrived on the scene and then of course led the charge for Iraq until we killed him last June. He's the guy who arranged the booming of the Samarra mosque that precipitated the sectarian violence between Shi'a and Sunni. This is Al-Qaeda operating in Iraq, and as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq. There's no way you can segment out and say, "Well, we'll fight the war on terror in Pakistan or Afghanistan but we can separate Iraq. That's not really, in any way, shape, or form related." It's just dead wrong. Bin Laden has said this is the central battle in the war on terror."


Since he was operating in the Northern part of Iraq under the protection of the US, (no fly zone) does that implicate us in Al Qaeda?
 
However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist organization and the Saddam government were not working together before the invasion.
I have no doubt that the guy said he wasn't involved with that. I also have no doubt that he's a big, fat liar as well as evil and that nothing he says need be believed.

I also don't think it takes a giant stretch of the imagination to see Sadam working with Al Queda. But it doesn't matter much what Sadam did or said, since he's dead.

And I'd certainly buy what Dick Cheney says before I would listen to those crazy, evil arab lunatics.

But none of this is very important.
 
I have no doubt that the guy said he wasn't involved with that. I also have no doubt that he's a big, fat liar as well as evil and that nothing he says need be believed.

I also don't think it takes a giant stretch of the imagination to see Sadam working with Al Queda. But it doesn't matter much what Sadam did or said, since he's dead.

And I'd certainly buy what Dick Cheney says before I would listen to those crazy, evil arab lunatics.
But none of this is very important.

Oh a bigot..surprise surprise...
 
Oh a bigot..surprise surprise...
Oh a dimwit..surprise surprise...

Not a bigot. And the name-calling doesn't scare me into submission. I have very good reasons for disliking those guys - and none of it has anything to do with skin color.

Nice try, though.
 
Like I said - nobody will ever convince me that Iraq or Saddam wasn't a contributor.

Truthiness (noun)
1 : "truth that comes from the gut, not books" (Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report," October 2005)
2 : "the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true" (American Dialect Society, January 2006)
 

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