Character meal with Anna and Elsa

[Planogirl]

Love the sarcasm, really adds a nice validity to your argument .

You said it yourself, they used Nemo and kept the validity of the seas in tact. What says they can't do the same with the new Pavilion? Arendelle is in fact based off of Norway. For all we know the old pavilion could have gotten very few visitors compared to the others and needed the boost. If I had to choose between Italy, France, Mexico and Norway, well Norway would be last on the list.

Either way unless one of us is actually in on the meetings at Disney that decides these things we'll never really know all the reasons behind this decision. Like I said myself, I don't agree with the direction, but it doesn't insult me either. People viewing Disney with rose colored glasses can be annoying, but so can people with an apocalyptic view.

The cat, by the way, is Marie from Aristocats.

I apologize if you don't like sarcasm. In my world it's used (lightly) to make a point at times.

I respect that you don't mind this as much but we truly do have different things that push our buttons. Disney not only pushed mine but they slammed them. I respect that you see things a different way.

 

[Madteaparty001]

I apologize if you don't like sarcasm. In my world it's used (lightly) to make a point at times.

I respect that you don't mind this as much but we truly do have different things that push our buttons. Disney not only pushed mine but they slammed them. I respect that you see things a different way.

Saw it as snarky, glad to see it wasn't intended as such. We'll agree to disagree. My hot button is the disney dinning plan inflating prices and bringing down service/food quality, I'm sure I would have replied much the same way you did if that were the topic.

 

[rteetz]

Love the sarcasm, really adds a nice validity to your argument .

You said it yourself, they used Nemo and kept the validity of the seas in tact. What says they can't do the same with the new Pavilion? Arendelle is in fact based off of Norway. For all we know the old pavilion could have gotten very few visitors compared to the others and needed the boost. If I had to choose between Italy, France, Mexico and Norway, well Norway would be last on the list.

Either way unless one of us is actually in on the meetings at Disney that decides these things we'll never really know all the reasons behind this decision. Like I said myself, I don't agree with the direction, but it doesn't insult me either. People viewing Disney with rose colored glasses can be annoying, but so can people with an apocalyptic view.

The cat, by the way, is Marie from Aristocats.

I think we can all come to the conclusion that the biggest reason was Frozen was a massive success. With that, what is the easiest way to get frozen in the parks? Retrofit an existing ride with minimal budget in WS in a country that had a little influence on a fake country represented in the movie. These days disney is looking to get the most money from people by putting as little money as possible into the parks. The vast majority of Norway will be overtaken by frozen which is not the way epcots world showcase was intended but because of the massive success frozen was and still is this was fast tracked to be done. I just hope we don't continue to see big over takes of the countries.

 

[eXo]

The original question was if we think there might be an Anna & Elsa character meal at Epcot after the new ride opens. Not whether or not the same few folks who like to complain about the new ride think it fits or not.

Every single person who reads this forum knows what you think guys. It's time to buck up and realize it is a done deal.

I would be surprised if Akershus does not change to a new character meal that is focused a bit more on Frozen characters. CRT already has an ensemble princess m&g. It either goes all frozen, or Anna & Elsa simply headline a new princess meal. That makes the most sense.

For those of you who decided to jump off-topic and use this as yet another soapbox to try and debate whether or not A&E belong at Epcot, I hate to break it to you, but life has moved on. It's not about whether you like t or not anymore, it's about what other changes it might have on the rest of the pavilion (like Akershus).

 

[3Gsandme]

I think Elsa and Anna would fit wonderfully into Akershus. They could greet instead of Belle. Belle could then be added to the Princesses meeting inside.

Of course, I have no problem with incorporating characters into their respective EPCOT countries. Yes, I know Arendelle is fictitious, but it's very clearly obvious that the story is set in Scandinavia, of which Norway is a part.

 

[Madteaparty001]

The original question was if we think there might be an Anna & Elsa character meal at Epcot after the new ride opens. Not whether or not the same few folks who like to complain about the new ride think it fits or not.

Every single person who reads this forum knows what you think guys. It's time to buck up and realize it is a done deal.

Yes exactly! Thank you! I honestly hope they change up the princesses available at Akershus, having the same ones as CRT doesn't make sense to me, why would I want to do both if it's the same rotation?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Love the sarcasm, really adds a nice validity to your argument .

You said it yourself, they used Nemo and kept the validity of the seas in tact. What says they can't do the same with the new Pavilion? Arendelle is in fact based off of Norway. For all we know the old pavilion could have gotten very few visitors compared to the others and needed the boost. If I had to choose between Italy, France, Mexico and Norway, well Norway would be last on the list.

Either way unless one of us is actually in on the meetings at Disney that decides these things we'll never really know all the reasons behind this decision. Like I said myself, I don't agree with the direction, but it doesn't insult me either. People viewing Disney with rose colored glasses can be annoying, but so can people with an apocalyptic view.

The cat, by the way, is Marie from Aristocats.

So converting a real, actual country - even if presented in stereotype - in the "world showcase" to a 100% fictitious storybookland doesn't warrant sarcasm?

This is becoming more of a black and white issue for me...changing from the original "gray"... Either it makes sense or it doesn't. But like many arguments - there's this desperate need for "two sides" to be correct through interpretation...when reality is that just one is.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The original question was if we think there might be an Anna & Elsa character meal at Epcot after the new ride opens. Not whether or not the same few folks who like to complain about the new ride think it fits or not.

Well since this is a job... And it's "just the facts, ma'am"... We can wrap the whole thread up right here...

Nothing's been announced, nobody has a clue, there's no way to gauge the chances, and any opinion/discussion on this is ultimately useless...

Thanks for "keeping it straight".

 

[Planogirl]

The original question was if we think there might be an Anna & Elsa character meal at Epcot after the new ride opens. Not whether or not the same few folks who like to complain about the new ride think it fits or not.

Every single person who reads this forum knows what you think guys. It's time to buck up and realize it is a done deal.

I would be surprised if Akershus does not change to a new character meal that is focused a bit more on Frozen characters. CRT already has an ensemble princess m&g. It either goes all frozen, or Anna & Elsa simply headline a new princess meal. That makes the most sense.

For those of you who decided to jump off-topic and use this as yet another soapbox to try and debate whether or not A&E belong at Epcot, I hate to break it to you, but life has moved on. It's not about whether you like t or not anymore, it's about what other changes it might have on the rest of the pavilion (like Akershus).

You can chastise some of us all you want but I'll let those in charge handle the threads here. Why not scold the person that actually brought up the "hate"? Not that I seriously think that that is a good idea.

 

[Planogirl]

Well since this is a job... And it's "just the facts, ma'am"... We can wrap the whole thread up right here...

Nothing's been announced, nobody has a clue, there's no way to gauge the chances, and any opinion/discussion on this is ultimately useless...

Thanks for "keeping it straight".

Exactly! Until it's a done deal I intend to say what I think when it's brought up. I didn't bring up the topic or even the "hatred". I did comment that the restaurant was already ruined but that wasn't even by Frozen characters. Yet.

 

[Planogirl]

Love the sarcasm, really adds a nice validity to your argument .

You said it yourself, they used Nemo and kept the validity of the seas in tact. What says they can't do the same with the new Pavilion? Arendelle is in fact based off of Norway. For all we know the old pavilion could have gotten very few visitors compared to the others and needed the boost. If I had to choose between Italy, France, Mexico and Norway, well Norway would be last on the list.

Either way unless one of us is actually in on the meetings at Disney that decides these things we'll never really know all the reasons behind this decision. Like I said myself, I don't agree with the direction, but it doesn't insult me either. People viewing Disney with rose colored glasses can be annoying, but so can people with an apocalyptic view.

The cat, by the way, is Marie from Aristocats.

I forgot about Marie! Marie is cute.

 

[wallrock]

The original question was if we think there might be an Anna & Elsa character meal at Epcot after the new ride opens. Not whether or not the same few folks who like to complain about the new ride think it fits or not.

Every single person who reads this forum knows what you think guys. It's time to buck up and realize it is a done deal.

I would be surprised if Akershus does not change to a new character meal that is focused a bit more on Frozen characters. CRT already has an ensemble princess m&g. It either goes all frozen, or Anna & Elsa simply headline a new princess meal. That makes the most sense.

For those of you who decided to jump off-topic and use this as yet another soapbox to try and debate whether or not A&E belong at Epcot, I hate to break it to you, but life has moved on. It's not about whether you like t or not anymore, it's about what other changes it might have on the rest of the pavilion (like Akershus).

It’s not about whether the deal is done or not. Everyone knows it’s moving forward.

The issue is the trend, while being delicate and just on the surface a few years ago, is leading to flat out bulldozing (figuratively) of an attraction’s original concept and replacing it with something else that doesn’t fit the mold. Attractions bite the dust all the time (think Mr. Toad and Snow White’s Adventures) and are replaced, but the theme has generally remained consistent with the successor. The Frozen invasion changed that. The trend can lead to other pavilions, and perhaps ultimately the park itself, receiving the same treatment using something in Disney’s current film inventory or waiting for the next film that does Frozen-like business (the most likely scenario in my book).

On the topic at hand, the discussions about how far the change will go are engaging and all opinions are (should be) welcome, but I’d say it’s safe to assume the transformation to Arendelle will be one hundred percent, including the potential for eating Mickey waffles with Anna and Elsa.


And as far as knowing the real reason behind the effort…it was the cheapest way to inject Frozen into Orlando. Some come out and actually say it, others imply it, and still more probably reject it, but there’s no arguing that it was cheaper to take an existing structure, wipe it clean and bring Olaf in instead of putting forth a brand new structure that would have been void of pre-existing limitations. The fact that this is happening at what many argue is the flagship resort while Tokyo DisneySea builds a brand new area dedicated to the film should actually outrage the fans of Orlando. Instead the response is ‘just accept it’, or ‘Epcot’s too boring and needs a kiddie attraction’. The latter being the most common because, you know, stuff like Cranium Command doesn’t compare to a talking snowman when trying to entertain children.

Disney used to take chances on quality attractions like the aforementioned that also mixed in education while putting smiles on people’s faces. Too bad that philosophy went the way of the Norway pavilion.

 

[magicmomms]

If they do move to akershus- I hope the food changes, at least some. It seems lazy to me to do the same thing, without some changes. Like serve soup, roast and ice-cream! Kids would love that...and a chocolate fondu!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And as far as knowing the real reason behind the effort…it was the cheapest way to inject Frozen into Orlando. Some come out and actually say it, others imply it, and still more probably reject it, but there’s no arguing that it was cheaper to take an existing structure, wipe it clean and bring Olaf in instead of putting forth a brand new structure that would have been void of pre-existing limitations.

I cannot understand why you chastise somebody for bringing up the debate...then make one of the two key points TO the anger/debate...

Then expand upon it!

The other key point...and the rampart I'm standing on...is that you can't "unfire this bullet"

They have tiptoed the waters with nemo and then the Mexico ride...pushing it to a point but not over the edge...

But this is a full scale replacement of the real for the princess crowd (I have a 5 year old...to be clear...but she shouldn't get to decide everything)...

What if it's a huge success? Who's up next? Tangled 2 "seem" Canadian to the boardroom?

Nah... We can't lose Morton's...or is it Peter Luger's

If you are a true fan of EPCOT...both the park, the concept, and 30 years of history...
Then don't you have to hope that frozen is a failure in EPCOT?

I think you do...for better and worse

 

[lockedoutlogic]

If they do move to akershus- I hope the food changes, at least some. It seems lazy to me to do the same thing, without some changes. Like serve soup, roast and ice-cream! Kids would love that...and a chocolate fondu!

Well the food is awful... And the restaurant is beyond beaten up/in disrepair inside...

As far as the construction - we don't know if they are touching it at all.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I cannot understand why you chastise somebody for bringing up the debate...then make one of the two key points TO the anger/debate...

Then expand upon it!

The other key point...and the rampart I'm standing on...is that you can't "unfire this bullet"

They have tiptoed the waters with nemo and then the Mexico ride...pushing it to a point but not over the edge...

But this is a full scale replacement of the real for the princess crowd (I have a 5 year old...to be clear...but she shouldn't get to decide everything)...

What if it's a huge success? Who's up next? Tangled 2 "seem" Canadian to the boardroom?

Nah... We can't lose Morton's...or is it Peter Luger's

If you are a true fan of EPCOT...both the park, the concept, and 30 years of history...
Then don't you have to hope that frozen is a failure in EPCOT?

I think you do...for better and worse

Lol... I completely quoted the wrong post/assigned the wrong blame...

I was wondering why I was agreeing with a poster so much who's theme is "don't question the great oz"?

Because it wasnt them...

Sorry, Wally

 

[rteetz]

The fact that this is happening at what many argue is the flagship resort while Tokyo DisneySea builds a brand new area dedicated to the film should actually outrage the fans of Orlando. Instead the response is ‘just accept it’, or ‘Epcot’s too boring and needs a kiddie attraction’. The latter being the most common because, you know, stuff like Cranium Command doesn’t compare to a talking snowman when trying to entertain children.

This! This is what people should pay attention to. WDW is supposed to be the flagship resort of all of them. Disney hasn't been treating it that way. Tokyo is owned by OLC and they love to put money into their two parks an it works. Frozen was big enough to deserve its own d or e ticket in fantasyland. Instead we have what's the cheapest way to make a buck oh let's put it in epcot. The 75-100 million dollar budget for this frozen project is not very big and shows that disney was fast tracking this.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

This! This is what people should pay attention to. WDW is supposed to be the flagship resort of all of them. Disney hasn't been treating it that way. Tokyo is owned by OLC and they love to put money into their two parks an it works. Frozen was big enough to deserve its own d or e ticket in fantasyland. Instead we have what's the cheapest way to make a buck oh let's put it in epcot. The 75-100 million dollar budget for this frozen project is not very big and shows that disney was fast tracking this.

The current management has never treated wdw like the "flagship"...
Not once.

They have put most of the muscle and financial resources... Which lets face it are currently limitless (so no "the sponsors are leaving EPCOT" junk) in almost all other areas..

God knows how many billions in a park in a semi developed country where you can neither see nor breath unless the government shuts off the pumps and the power plants... For reasons we don't fully understand...

Right... That huge "developing middle class"...with the streets paved with gold...or yuan... Or whatever.

Uh huh...haters gotta hate...

But the LAST guys in charge did treat it like a flagship... They just started to get stale and cynical in the later years...
But an unyielding guy named "Disney" made a stink and put it out there.

Unfortunately he died... And now we have nothing?

Who's the defender they need? John Lasseter?... Is there anything he hasn't gone along with from the accounting department in the last 8 years?

We need a "lion"...unfortunately they are asleep on the rocks at Kilimanjaro

 

[wallrock]

Lol... I completely quoted the wrong post/assigned the wrong blame...

I was wondering why I was agreeing with a poster so much who's theme is "don't question the great oz"?

Because it wasnt them...

Sorry, Wally

Heh, heh…

No worries.

When I first read the response I thought, “Do we actually disagree on something?”

Then I thought, “Did I type something wrong?”

Then I thought a bit more, saw your follow-up and thought it a fitting end to the day.

 

[rteetz]

The current management has never treated wdw like the "flagship"...
Not once.

They have put most of the muscle and financial resources... Which lets face it are currently limitless (so no "the sponsors are leaving EPCOT" junk) in almost all other areas..

God knows how many billions in a park in a semi developed country where you can neither see nor breath unless the government shuts off the pumps and the power plants... For reasons we don't fully understand...

Right... That huge "developing middle class"...with the streets paved with gold...or yuan... Or whatever.

Uh huh...haters gotta hate...

But the LAST guys in charge did treat it like a flagship... They just started to get stale and cynical in the later years...
But an unyielding guy named "Disney" made a stink and put it out there.

Unfortunately he died... And now we have nothing?

Who's the defender they need? John Lasseter?... Is there anything he hasn't gone along with from the accounting department in the last 8 years?

We need a "lion"...unfortunately they are asleep on the rocks at Kilimanjaro

I completely agree. There is no Al Weiss or Frank Wells. There is no 80s Eisner. We have Iger and then staggs who will likely continue the current strategy. The 5 billion dollar Shanghai resort in which Disney doesn't have as much control as many think will be igers legacy.