CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[punkin]

This guy worried about how he himself getting the vaccine will affect him is one thing, but what I’m seeing is people worried that others getting the vaccine is affecting them, when they did not get it themselves. Like the vaccinated people are somehow shedding something (the virus even though the vaccine doesn’t have any live virus?) and it’s causing their issues. So now these people are not only going around refusing to get the vaccine, but they think those of us who did get it are the ones harming others. It is so baffling and ridiculous to me.

People are stupid? That's the answer to a lot of unfathomable questions.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Did anyone see the CDC report yesterday. They stated that of the 66milliom fully vaccinated people, there are only 5800 verified cases of those that came down with COVID--or .008 percent. This is even lower than the Pfzer report showed. We are now up to 24% of the population being vaccinated and if we factor just adults there are just over 46% that have received at least one shot. This is terrific news.

 

[godisney14]

This applied to people over 80 ONLY.

And only 165 people.

And, your points are?
The objective of this study was to see whether one dose is fine and the difference between Pfizer and AztraZeneca vaccines. Did someone say the vaccines do not work?

Wouldn't the cellular response be expected to be lower in a population the age of those who took part in that particular study, though? Other studies found fairly robust T-cell responses involved in natural immunity, though I haven't seen anything new that was vaccine-specific, but those were conducted on a broader cross-section of the population.

And that’s what this study also showed. Natural immunity and then vaccine boosted those levels.
As one ages, immune response is obviously lower. Here it shows it is fairly robust.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And, your points are?
The objective of this study was to see whether one dose is fine and the difference between Pfizer and AztraZeneca vaccines. Did someone say the vaccines do not work?

"did someone say the vaccines don't work" that doesn't even make sense given the very short two responses I and the other poster said.

The point clearly was the limitations. Elderly often have immune systems that are not representative of the general population. Doesn't mean the findings weren't what they were, just important to notate the age limit. As for the number of people 165 is incredibly small and nowhere near enough to draw a good conclusion. There were more people in line for my 9:30am time slot this morning for our 2nd dose than there were in that study..Doesn't mean the findings weren't what they were, just important to notate the very small sampling size.

It's something that does need to be studied on a much larger scale because it's entirely possible we could see vaccines tailored to more particular age groups. AZ already is being used for a more selective group of people, possible we may see J&J do the same. Wouldn't surprise me if it was the same for Pfizer, Moderna and the other international vaccines in use elsewhere.

 

[godisney14]

"did someone say the vaccines don't work" that doesn't even make sense given the very short two responses I and the other poster said.

The point clearly was the limitations. Elderly often have immune systems that are not representative of the general population. Doesn't mean the findings weren't what they were, just important to notate the age limit. As for the number of people 165 is incredibly small and nowhere near enough to draw a good conclusion. There were more people in line for my 9:30am time slot this morning for our 2nd dose than there were in that study..Doesn't mean the findings weren't what they were, just important to notate the very small sampling size.

It's something that does need to be studied on a much larger scale because it's entirely possible we could see vaccines tailored to more particular age groups. AZ already is being used for a more selective group of people, possible we may see J&J do the same. Wouldn't surprise me if it was the same for Pfizer, Moderna and the other international vaccines in use elsewhere.

Okay, so only 165 were studied. I get this is a small sample. But, have you heard of statistical significance?
What is it that you are trying to be critical of?
Did you get the Pfizer and having regrets?

AZ and possibly J&J isn’t being used selectively because of reasons related to how much response there is.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Okay, so only 165 were studied. I get this is a small sample. But, have you heard of statistical significance?
What is it that you are trying to be critical of?

AZ and possibly J&J isn’t being used selectively because of reasons related to how much response there is.

I never implied AZ was being used due to immune system, I clearly said "a more selective group" and said it (along with other vaccines) should be studied a vaccines may be more tailored. Never specified what that tailoring may look like because there are endless possibilities (age, gender, co-morbidities, medication, etc). [ETA: I did say particular age groups when I said tailoring in my earlier comment, I do also mean the other things I listed just above because that may definitely be the case that certain vaccines are better suited for certain people.]

As far as statistical significance yes with a BA in psychology pretty sure I've heard of it. Probably why I look at it a certain way. You seem to think I'm casting aside the study you personally linked in this thread, that's not what I'm doing. Listing the age and the sampling size seems fairly important when one is going to drawl conclusions off something (similar to how people are discussing the amount of 'breakthrough' cases in comparison to those vaccinated as a whole). As far as this thread it can become pretty important especially when alleviating people's concerns. One could hear that AZ had 3X the response and say to the heck with Pfizer not going to get that without at least knowing the limitations.

 

[godisney14]

I never implied AZ was being used due to immune system, I clearly said "a more selective group" and said it (along with other vaccines) should be studied a vaccines may be more tailored. Never specified what that tailoring may look like because there are endless possibilities (age, gender, co-morbidities, medication, etc).

As far as statistical significance yes with a BA in psychology pretty sure I've heard of it. Probably why I look at it a certain way. You seem to think I'm casting aside the study you personally linked in this thread, that's not what I'm doing. Listing the age and the sampling size seems fairly important when one is going to drawl conclusions off something (similar to how people are discussing the amount of 'breakthrough' cases in comparison to those vaccinated as a whole). As far as this thread it can become pretty important especially when alleviating people's concerns. One could hear that AZ had 3X the response and say to the heck with Pfizer not going to get that without at least knowing the limitations.

During this entire vaccination time, people were doing even worse by incorrectly saying J&J was inferior to Pfizer/Moderna because of the trial result numbers. Clearly, majority of people still do not understand, even after repeated attempts to assuage them, that the trials occurred at different times with different vulnerable population pools.

Here, this study actually makes a level comparison between two major vaccines used in Europe (although, it’s possible it’s a relevant comparison for those in the US given how close J&J and AZ vaccines are). Regardless of sample size, the study’s results are informing. Both one dose of Pfizer and AztraZeneca give equally good neutralizing antibody response. But, the AztraZeneca for some reason gives a clearly better T cell response, which would help in various ways such as shortening duration of any future symptomatic infection and producing antibodies in response.

People have the right to facts and findings. What could be beneficial for future vaccine research is a follow-up to this as to why there is this statistical difference.

The study results here isn’t like the misinterpretation as with the Pfizer/Moderna versus J&J many people are peddling. Misinformation about J&J possibly having less efficacy is what is damning as you say.

 

[Silver saucer]

I had my first Moderna dose on Monday with just a sore arm. I had no intention of getting a shot until much much later. Due to research and these boards I changed my mind and had it done. Reading about RL experiences from all over the US, Canada, and Europe gave me the confidence to go ahead and get vaccinated. Im happy with my decision.
I want to get out and start living again.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

During this entire vaccination time, people were doing even worse by incorrectly saying J&J was inferior to Pfizer/Moderna because of the trial result numbers. Clearly, majority of people still do not understand, even after repeated attempts to assuage them, that the trials occurred at different times with different vulnerable population pools.

Here, this study actually makes a level comparison between two major vaccines used in Europe (although, it’s possible it’s a relevant comparison for those in the US given how close J&J and AZ vaccines are). Regardless of sample size, the study’s results are informing. Both one dose of Pfizer and AztraZeneca give equally good neutralizing antibody response. But, the AztraZeneca for some reason gives a clearly better T cell response, which would help in various ways such as shortening duration of any future symptomatic infection and producing antibodies in response.

People have the right to facts and findings. What could be beneficial for future vaccine research is a follow-up to this as to why there is this statistical difference.

The study results here isn’t like the misinterpretation as with the Pfizer/Moderna versus J&J many people are peddling. Misinformation about J&J possibly having less efficacy is what is damning as you say.

'here's the age group and sampling size (both of which are facts) statement I and the other poster were saying. Just giving the limitations to it which I believe people have the right to know. Going to move on in topics at time, no disrespect meant.

 

[godisney14]

'here's the age group and sampling size (both of which are facts) statement I and the other poster were saying. Just giving the limitations to it which I believe people have the right to know. Going to move on in topics at time, no disrespect meant.

Fair enough to note that.
Just felt like you were discrediting the findings of a statistically significant difference between the two vaccines being that AztraZeneca produced a 3x better T cell response.


After all, this is how science tailors treatments. We see which methods work better than others, and why.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Wow, so I thought I’d seen it all, but I keep seeing new levels of crazy. Now there are people claiming that they haven’t gotten the vaccine, but they are around people who have, and are concerned that it’s the cause of a health issue they have since had. Like a miscarriage in the case of some women. I just can’t even process that and what conspiracy they think is happening?

You mean me having the vaccine prevents women from reproducing? Oh heck yeah. Where do I sign up for the next anti vax group meet up to uh complain to my fellow anti vaxxers and plan our next demonstration?

 

[dvcgirl67]

You mean me having the vaccine prevents women from reproducing? Oh heck yeah. Where do I sign up for the next anti vax group meet up to uh complain to my fellow anti vaxxers and plan our next demonstration?

Would that be the Natural Selection Demonstration? .

 

[Jonfw2]

Gottleib believes the disease is now "rolling over" due to the rate of vaccinations.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Gottleib believes the disease is now "rolling over" due to the rate of vaccinations.

Yes, heard that. He also talked about where we're headed by looking at San Francisco....a very liberal, tech/science driven city. They have 60% of their 16+ years old population with one dose. 40% of their 16+ population is fully vaccinated and they have just 30 cases per day.

The country is lagging behind that....25% fully vaccinated, 40% with one shot. It'll be interesting to see how high we go as a nation with respect to vaccines now that everyone over 16 is eligible everywhere.

 

[Jonfw2]

Yes, heard that. He also talked about where we're headed by looking at San Francisco....a very liberal, tech/science driven city. They have 60% of their 16+ years old population with one dose. 40% of their 16+ population is fully vaccinated and they have just 30 cases per day.

The country is lagging behind that....25% fully vaccinated, 40% with one shot. It'll be interesting to see how high we go as a nation with respect to vaccines now that everyone over 16 is eligible everywhere.

40% vaccinated, but 50% over 18. And as of now, the shots per day continues to rise.

 

[dvcgirl67]

40% vaccinated, but 50% over 18. And as of now, the shots per day continues to rise.

Hoping that it continues to rise, but think we're going to start to see demand drop soon. In a way, I think the seasonality that Gottlieb spoke of, especially in the northern states, could hurt here a bit. If we had enough supply for everyone, say in late December/Early January, we might have seen a lot of people who may have been hesitant...get the vaccine. Simply because the numbers were so scary.

Cases will drop in the north due to vaccines, but also because we're outdoors more....it may be an "out of sight, out of mind" thing for some. I know we're all laser focused on covid around here, but there are a lot of people who aren't. I'm wondering if maybe we'll see some more people come around in the fall if we see cases go up significantly again in this country.

 

[EACarlson]

Cases will drop in the north due to vaccines, but also because we're outdoors more....it may be an "out of sight, out of mind" thing for some.

Depends on where you are in the north. You don't get much further north than MN and MI, both of which have had very high case counts in the last couple weeks.

It really seems to be those places in the upper midwest that had more draconian lockdowns are now seeing more cases than those that didn't. Even in WI, with numbers a third of MN and a large percentage of cases are in the two counties that have put the most onerous restrictions on it's citizens, Dane and Milwaukee.

 

[Jonfw2]

Depends on where you are in the north. You don't get much further north than MN and MI, both of which have had very high case counts in the last couple weeks.

It really seems to be those places in the upper midwest that had more draconian lockdowns are now seeing more cases than those that didn't. Even in WI, with numbers a third of MN and a large percentage of cases are in the two counties that have put the most onerous restrictions on it's citizens, Dane and Milwaukee.

Michigan's numbers appear to be dropping again.

 

[Jonfw2]

Every American over 16 is now eligible.

 

[mrs. magoo]

My cousin who was very hesitant about getting the vaccine ended up getting it a week and half ago because she was told that she will not have to wear a mask anymore at her favorite restaurant or in her summer home community in Flagstaff, AZ. This is the way to get people vaccinated. My 79 year old father went to dinner with friends who have literally not left their house in over a year since they are both fully vaccinated. Israel's numbers are phenomenal. This is the way forward people.