CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Heigh-Ho]

This is one of the things about this that sounds like it doesn't make sense but actually does- why would places like CVS, and Kroeger, and Walgreen's be better at this than The Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, and Cleveland Clinic?

Simple answer: it's what they do.

In another thread (and I think you're only really on this CDC thread) people are talking about how their hospitals are getting the vaccine but are limiting it to only current patients.

When you look at it the same problem exists. Both ways (pharmacies and hospitals) are competent in administering the vaccine although I believe hospitals are having to train people who have never done it before still. But if you're limiting the vaccine to only current patients and Walgreens and CVS are limiting to long-term care and I think the other poster mentioned something about not being able to share (and I can only guess that means not holding a lot of vaccine back in one location) it's the same problem just swapping who it is.

I don't disagree with you that hospitals do deal in medicine but so do pharmacies. The ability to store vaccine you are probably more right about hospitals.

 

[Jonfw2]

They are only better if they can get the vaccine out to the public. In another thread (and I think you're only really on this CDC thread) people are talking about how their hospitals are getting the vaccine but are limiting it to only current patients.

When you look at it the same problem exists. Both ways (pharmacies and hospitals) are competent in administering the vaccine although I believe hospitals are having to train people who have never done it before still. But if you're limiting the vaccine to only current patients and Walgreens and CVS are limiting to long-term care and I think the other poster mentioned something about not being able to share (and I can only guess that means not holding a lot of vaccine back in one location) it's the same problem just swapping who it is.

I don't disagree with you that hospitals do deal in medicine but so do pharmacies. The ability to store vaccine you are probably more right about hospitals.

I think I wasn't clear about something earlier: not ALL the vaccine is being sent directly to pharmacies. In fact, it's a small percentage. The remainder will continue to be dictated by the states.

 

[jlwhitney]

It actually looks remarkably like a pattern we have seen before. This is a graph from the 1918/19 flu pandemic, next to a graph of this pandemic:

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Aside from the fact that covid is less seasonal than influenza and didn't give us as significant a summer lull as the 1918 flu, the pattern is pretty comparable thus far. And that pandemic ended without vaccination. Hopefully the roll-out of the vaccine for covid-19 will prevent that third peak from occurring, or at least from being significant in severity.

There is actually a theory that says all epidemics/pandemics follow the same curve, and they have proven it true so far with every other one and looks like this one may follow suit.

 

[Jonfw2]

There is actually a theory that says all epidemics/pandemics follow the same curve, and they have proven it true so far with every other one and looks like this one may follow suit.

Aside from the fact that we've never disrupted one so quickly and powerfully as this one.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I think I wasn't clear about something earlier: not ALL the vaccine is being sent directly to pharmacies. In fact, it's a small percentage. The remainder will continue to be dictated by the states.

Thanks for the clarification, sounds like a good compromise for now

 

[jlwhitney]

Aside from the fact that we've never disrupted one so quickly and powerfully as this one.

Correct but even with trying to slow/hault it it will still follow the pattern, humans can help shape how high it gets and the speed of going up or down.

 

[gwynne]

In another thread (and I think you're only really on this CDC thread) people are talking about how their hospitals are getting the vaccine but are limiting it to only current patients.

When you look at it the same problem exists. Both ways (pharmacies and hospitals) are competent in administering the vaccine although I believe hospitals are having to train people who have never done it before still. But if you're limiting the vaccine to only current patients and Walgreens and CVS are limiting to long-term care and I think the other poster mentioned something about not being able to share (and I can only guess that means not holding a lot of vaccine back in one location) it's the same problem just swapping who it is.

I don't disagree with you that hospitals do deal in medicine but so do pharmacies. The ability to store vaccine you are probably more right about hospitals.

Pharmacies know their storage capability. It's not difficult for the CDC to note frig/freezer specs for each one.

Pharmacies that have allowed sign ups for covid-19 vaccine already have a breakdown of stats about clients. Those numbers are a helpful start to speeding up vaccinations.

 

[TLSnell1981]

They just need to put Chick-fil-A mangers/employees in charge and get it moving. They are by far more efficient. It’s been successfully done with testing in SC.

 

[gwynne]

They just need to put Chick-fil-A mangers/employees in charge and get it moving. They are by far more efficient. It’s been successfully done with testing in SC.

Organizations and businesses that understand the value of logistics benefit.
Applying those skills to testing was a smart move.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

But the key words are might or may doesn’t mean it will. Media writes things in ways to get attention and too many don’t really read.

Might or may doesn't mean it will. It also doesn't mean it won't. There's nothing inflammatory about those words. The title saying it will, then the article saying it may would be clickbait. It seems some people only want the media to report articles/stories on the virus that are clearly positive.

 

[jlwhitney]

Might or may doesn't mean it will. It also doesn't mean it won't. There's nothing inflammatory about those words. The title saying it will, then the article saying it may would be clickbait. It seems some people only want the media to report articles/stories on the virus that are clearly positive.

But many people don't read those words for what they actually mean and assume it will happen. Media knows how to word things to get the reactions they want, and doesn't mean they are being dishonest, just shows how much so many don't take the full context. This is done with everything.

 

[TLSnell1981]

But many people don't read those words for what they actually mean and assume it will happen. Media knows how to word things to get the reactions they want, and doesn't mean they are being dishonest, just shows how much so many don't take the full context. This is done with everything.

They don’t care if their words are misleading.
One of my favorite movies is Absence of Malice..“Everything was accurate but none of it was true”.

 

[gwynne]

But many people don't read those words for what they actually mean and assume it will happen. Media knows how to word things to get the reactions they want, and doesn't mean they are being dishonest, just shows how much so many don't take the full context. This is done with everything.

I am not going to assume others don't read for content or critically think.
It's understood some may be befuddled, but that's true with most of life.

 

[jlwhitney]

They don’t care if their words are misleading.
one of my favorite novices Absence of Malice..“Everything was accurate but none of it was true”.

Yup!

 

[tarheelmjfan]

But many people don't read those words for what they actually mean and assume it will happen. Media knows how to word things to get the reactions they want, and doesn't mean they are being dishonest, just shows how much so many don't take the full context. This is done with everything.

Anyone who doesn't understand what may or might means wouldn't understand the articles. If the article had said "will" in the title, your argument would hold.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

They don’t care if their words are misleading.
one of my favorite novices Absence of Malice..“Everything was accurate but none of it was true”.

How is saying "may" misleading?

 

[dvcgirl67]

But the key words are might or may doesn’t mean it will. Media writes things in ways to get attention and too many don’t really read.

I don't think the article was misleading....it didn't say that the new mutation in the variants *would* evade the current vaccine, but that it *might*. It's being studied. This mutation has now been found in the U.K, Brazil and South Africa strain. I think they're watching this closely to make sure we don't end up down the line with a variant that partially or completely evades the vaccine, causing re-infection.

I think it's possible to keep up with these studies, while also grasping that the vaccines are having an obvious positive effect on cases/hospitalizations/deaths. It's nice to know that scientists are staying on top of this so we can be pro-active instead of reactive. I actually find that quite comforting....knowing that we're finally getting a handle on this virus. I prefer it much more than the happy talk we had for months and months....that it's going to go away....that we're turning the corner...etc.

 

[jlwhitney]

Found this interesting. Something to follow to see how it plays out.

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-had-coronavirus-only-need-one-vaccine-dose-2021-2

 

[Colleen27]

This is one of the things about this that sounds like it doesn't make sense but actually does- why would places like CVS, and Kroeger, and Walgreen's be better at this than The Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, and Cleveland Clinic?

Simple answer: it's what they do.

And because they're where the people are. My semi-rural/suburban-fringe county only has two small hospitals, both of which are little more than emergency rooms & birthing centers - anything complicated gets transferred to affiliated full-service hospitals in the city. So distribution through hospitals has been really slow because they just don't have a big enough footprint, and the health department only has about a dozen employees so ramping up to any sort of scale has been tough for them. Plus all of that is in the county seat, 30-some miles away, which poses serious transportation challenges for the elderly, those who work day jobs, and those who don't have a car.

But every one of our little towns, most of which have 4000-5000 residents, has a Walgreens, a CVS, or both, and several have a Kroger or Meijer with a pharmacy as well. Something ridiculous like 2/3 of the flu shots administered in the county are at retail pharmacies. So it makes sense that they'll be more able to meet people where they're at by adding distribution via those same pharmacies.

 

[godisney14]

Are we back on the vaccine supply stuff??? Oh man...don't we have enough issues?

Here's the thing: JNJ will be getting EUA within the next couple of weeks. They will immediately have enough supply to remove any short term constraints. Then, between their 100 million by summer and Pfizer's 200 million by late May, we will have more than enough vaccine to inoculate EVERY ADULT in America.

Along America, we need to ASAP get the rest of the world vaccinated. Otherwise variants will continue to be introduced into this country and the need for boosters become more important.

And for what it's worth: Pfizer reiterated AGAIN today that their vaccine is effective against the variants.

Where, when? Link?
All I’ve read about are assumptions based on in-vitro studies.