CCV Studio Availability @ 11 months

[Unit3875]

Apparently Copper Creek was fully declared as of March 13, so all Copper Creek rooms are in the reservation inventory, so I don't understand what would happen at this point to improve the availability situation.
Those 26 cabins represent a LOT of points.
Looking at the reservation system, it doesn't look good for anyone reserving studios.

I REALLY REALLY wanted to buy fully at Copper Creek, but once I figured out that availability would be a BIG issue, I bought a Boulder Ridge resale and a small Copper Creek for member benefits. Who knows, if by some miracle the situation improves, I might reconsider buying more... but I doubt it.

Deluxe Studio Availability

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Meanwhile, here is the Boulder Ridge Studio availability :

 

[Philsfan77]

Can any CCV owners weigh in on booking at 11 months in terms of availability (for Studio/1BR/2BR)? Has it been difficult to secure a spot? I see that CCV doesn't have the inventory of BLT or Poly or others in terms of number of rooms. Much thanks for any help you can provide. I'd be primarily interested in studios as well as a prospective DVC buyer, I love WL the most so really want to do CCV but find myself weighing BLT/Poly as easier/cheaper but then also acknowledging I'd have almost NO chance to rotate in to CCV at 7 months. Thanks for any help.

We've had success booking 2 bedrooms at 11 months out for 2nd week of December (6th-9th) and for 4 days the weekend before Easter (4th-7th). I can't speak to 1 bedrooms or studio's though. We had to switch our December reservation due to another planned trip over the summer to conserve some points at the 7 month window and the pickings were really slim (switched to Saratoga for those days...not ideal since the WL is amazing at Christmas, but we wanted to take an extra trip this year).

 

[zavandor]

Studio availability at 11 months will get worst. Not only because when it's sold out all points will be owned by members who will try to book (while successive declarations might have alleviated the problem), but because people will try to book earlier and earlier. People who tried to book at 10 months this year without success will be ready to book at 11 months the next. And when people will be shut out at 11 months they'll start walking. And then they'll start walking earlier and earlier...

 

[Tinkerbear03]

We are owners at CCV. We actually have 2 reservations coming up one dec 23-27 and one Mar 18-23. We have a 1 bdr. For the December reservation I booked the morning of for 11 months. For March I actually waited a few days after the 11 month and still had availability. Not sure if this is any help but it’s my experience. For December we are hoping to change at 7 month if it’s available bc we will be spending most of our time in the Epcot/HS area.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Studio availability at 11 months will get worst. Not only because when it's sold out all points will be owned by members who will try to book (while successive declarations might have alleviated the problem), but because people will try to book earlier and earlier. People who tried to book at 10 months this year without success will be ready to book at 11 months the next. And when people will be shut out at 11 months they'll start walking. And then they'll start walking earlier and earlier...

Owners are already getting shut out on the first day of booking at 11 months. Owners posted this for Presidents week next year. So not just December weeks.

 

[crvetter]

Owners are already getting shut out on the first day of booking at 11 months. Owners posted this for Presidents week next year. So not just December weeks.

I don't know I booked President's Day (while yes the window is short) but the President's Day weekend was available for around 5 days after the window opened. What eventually happened was for the Princess Marathon the following weekend the week got eaten up quick and that weekend. Then when Princess Marathon opened up everyone went on and booked the last half of January and beginning week of February (since they saw that weekend shut out right away with walking for the weekend booking). Then walking started happening again then finally it currently has stopped. So clearly the fear of missing out has caused people to not wait at all and just book something.

Though I agree it is a tight to book for sure at CCV.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Guides cannot override the language of the contract, by the way:

The key feature of the Club central reservation system is the first come, first served nature of your use rights. Although you will own an Ownership Interest in a specific Unit at a specific DVC Resort, your actual use may occur in a Vacation Home located within a Unit in which you have no Ownership Interest or a Unit at a different DVC Resort. Without a confirmed reservation, you have no right to any particular Vacation Home, Unit, time period or specific day.

Your ability to receive a confirmed reservation request is dependent upon the availability of the particular Vacation Home type for the time requested; therefore, there can be no guarantee that a particular reservation request can be fulfilled. The longer you wait to make reservations, the less likely it is that you will be able to reserve your first choice of Vacation Home types or use periods. If you do not make reservations in a timely manner, you may have to accept whatever remaining use periods and Vacation Homes are available. If the remaining use periods and Vacation Homes are not convenient to your plans or schedule, you may lose your use rights for that year.
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Also:

Unless you purchase an Ownership Interest with a Fixed Use Period at one of these Resorts, you should not purchase an Ownership Interest at a particular DVC Resort with the expectation of reserving Vacation Homes at that Home Resort at the same time every year. You should not purchase an Ownership Interest at a particular DVC Resort with the expectation of reserving Vacation Homes at another particular DVC Resort for a particular calendar year, although there will be some Vacation Home at a DVC Resort available for you to reserve.​

These are straight from the contract.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I discussed this very problem (no/limited availability for CCV 11 months out) with my sales agent two days ago. He said if I found I couldn’t book 11 months out, I should call DVC Member Services to chick. If nothing done, my next step was him. Part of the DVC sales pitch is the reliability of an owner getting a booking 11 months out (something about inventory MUST be there, and no similar intentions at 10 or 11 months out). So, go the sales agent and ask about solidity of booking 11 months out.

Whoa - that's blatantly false for everything except perhaps a Welcome Home booking - ie the very first reservation you ever try and book.

 

[anomamatt]

He was alluding to point creep from the cabins to the smaller accommodation sizes. They tried to do it already with the original 2020 point charts. Not that I want it to happen as an owner at CCV.

A point reallocation for CCV is absolutely necessary. I'm also a CCV owner and it would be painful (except for when we book a cabin for a couple days). But as of right now, 100% of the inventory is declared. Points are still being sold (maybe 400K points left on the table). Booking studios at CCV is a nightmare... it's going to only get worse with time, unless / until they re-allocate points.

 

[crvetter]

A point reallocation for CCV is absolutely necessary. I'm also a CCV owner and it would be painful (except for when we book a cabin for a couple days). But as of right now, 100% of the inventory is declared. Points are still being sold (maybe 400K points left on the table). Booking studios at CCV is a nightmare... it's going to only get worse with time, unless / until they re-allocate points.

I personally would like to see a seasonal shift of points first. While the shifting of points from cabins might be needed I maintain they aren't allowed (my concerns are well documented in the thread regarding this) but they are likely going to do it no matter what because DVC has decided to change their interpretation of the documents (especially now with the guides being very clear that points can change across Home Types when prior to the change they said the opposite and documents being signed a few years prior even supported this).

We are already seeing some extent that January, February, March, and April sat much longer at the 11 month window. I've mostly been tracking daily and until Princess weekend hit most of January and February were open then once that hit people seemed to get scared again and started booking at 8AM. Now that we are pricier on points April is sitting empty. There is no valid reason that Fall/December should be cheap as it is (and this change probably can be applied legitimately across every Unit Type and Every Resort). Any readjustment of the cabins to studios simply won't help unless it is very large movements (putting them a bit above the 2 Bedrooms) and if it is only marginal movements all it really does is make the Cabins more appealing at the 7 month to SSR, OKW (cheaper points which would be a great buy for sure) and the point reallocation (for home resort priority) is not allowed to consider the 7 month window trades (only to consider the home priority reservations). If they want to change points for the 7 month window BVTC is supposed to adopt their own point charts.

Plus their was no reason the Studios alone should have eaten the Cabin Points it should be transferred to the 1/2 Bedrooms also since those are booking up before the 7 month window too, especially Fall Frenzy through mid-January. There was just a lot wrong with the 2020 point reallocations that were to benefit Disney only.

Also as a note the worse case scenario is a complete leveling of each Home Type and Each Day of the year. I think it basically came to a 50 point a night cost for Copper Creek.

 

[anomamatt]

I personally would like to see a seasonal shift of points first.

I agree 100%. But what incentive does DVC have to "fix" this? I also wonder if demand would simply follow to low point season? I'm skeptical DVC will fix the season issue. (I'm personally vested that they do fix it, since I recently bought a GW #48 @ RVA -- would be a nice "bonus" if that week went up in points).

Any readjustment of the cabins to studios simply won't help unless it is very large movements (putting them a bit above the 2 Bedrooms)

I'm sure that would be true. While I like staying in the cabins and bungalows, they are a disaster for DVC members overall. But they exist and need to be "fixed", IMO.

Plus their was no reason the Studios alone should have eaten the Cabin Points it should be transferred to the 1/2 Bedrooms also since those are booking up before the 7 month window too, especially Fall Frenzy through mid-January. There was just a lot wrong with the 2020 point reallocations that were to benefit Disney only.

From a personal standpoint, I will admit that I liked some of the original 2020 changes... especially lower bungalow and cabin point cost. But yeah, the increased 1BR points didn't make sense.

It's too bad they are building cabin-type structures with Reflections. Along with the resale restrictions, many resorts are going to be ugly booking studios @ 11 months.

Also as a note the worse case scenario is a complete leveling of each Home Type and Each Day of the year. I think it basically came to a 50 point a night cost for Copper Creek.

That is a frightening number and highlights what "damage" these high point structures do. Have you (or anyone else) done this analysis for other resorts without such structures, like Riviera?

 

[crvetter]

I agree 100%. But what incentive does DVC have to "fix" this? I also wonder if demand would simply follow to low point season? I'm skeptical DVC will fix the season issue. (I'm personally vested that they do fix it, since I recently bought a GW #48 @ RVA -- would be a nice "bonus" if that week went up in points).

If this was true then seasons should be eliminated. Or eliminated for certain accommodation types. But as you said the only incentive they have is their fiduciary duty to the membership to adjust. They actually adjusted seasons for Aulani I believe so I'm surprised they haven't for WDW yet.

I'm sure that would be true. While I like staying in the cabins and bungalows, they are a disaster for DVC members overall. But they exist and need to be "fixed", IMO.

Yeah they need to be fixed but there really isn't any fixing of them. All that will happen is a marginal burn of points that won't have any real effect on the booking issues. It's likely that DVC never even truly fixes them (claiming members don't want it) because they will always have them to book out on cash (though that is only within 60 days, I think). I wonder if any on the cash site before 60 days must be from using their points.

From a personal standpoint, I will admit that I liked some of the original 2020 changes... especially lower bungalow and cabin point cost. But yeah, the increased 1BR points didn't make sense.

It's too bad they are building cabin-type structures with Reflections. Along with the resale restrictions, many resorts are going to be ugly booking studios @ 11 months.

Yeah I think it's hard to remember personal standpoints from the group at whole. I think a BLT lake view point chart is likely were CCV will end up but that actually is a bit aggressive and has the Cabins priced far too low (on average about 50 points which would seem like a steal against the average of 45 for a 2 bedroom). So somewhere between Lake View BLT and our current charts would be appropriate. With making studios and 2 bedrooms more expensive (when normalized by size of the unit) compared to the 1 bedrooms. Essentially 1 bedrooms need to look more attractive.

That is a frightening number and highlights what "damage" these high point structures do. Have you (or anyone else) done this analysis for other resorts without such structures, like Riviera?

It's about 55 if you assume 25% standard and 75% preferred views, which is the number needed to get around the total points declared for DRR.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Whoa - that's blatantly false for everything except perhaps a Welcome Home booking - ie the very first reservation you ever try and book.

Right. When the 42 studios + left overs from lock offs are gone, they’re gone. A CM can’t will another studio into existence for those dates.

I think dedicated reservations are a waste everywhere except CCV Studios. If you want a studio only at CCV it’s worth the cost.

 

[mrsap]

Right. When the 42 studios + left overs from lock offs are gone, they’re gone. A CM can’t will another studio into existence for those dates.

It’s disappointing how CM’s will say whatever it takes to make that sale.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

It’s disappointing how CM’s will say whatever it takes to make that sale.

Hey, if you can't get that CCV studio, surely you will get BWV Standard at 7 months, though!

 

[Brett Wyman]

Hey, if you can't get that CCV studio, surely you will get BWV Standard at 7 months, though!

You say that like it’s a bad thing

 

[mrsap]

Hey, if you can't get that CCV studio, surely you will get BWV Standard at 7 months, though!

Funny, I just used my CCV points for BWV for half of our summer trip

 

[_auroraborealis_]

You say that like it’s a bad thing

I am more referencing how the guides also show AKV Value and BWV Standard points charts in the sales process like they are a regular, serious occurrence for a CCV owner.

 

[Unit3875]

A point reallocation for CCV is absolutely necessary. I'm also a CCV owner and it would be painful (except for when we book a cabin for a couple days). But as of right now, 100% of the inventory is declared. Points are still being sold (maybe 400K points left on the table). Booking studios at CCV is a nightmare... it's going to only get worse with time, unless / until they re-allocate points.

I understand that a point reallocation may increase availability, but I take umbrage with the idea. Its a bait and switch.. they sold the resort with everyone thinking they could get a defined stay for a defined number of points. You can bet your *** that the Disney actuarials ran the numbers and knew that there would be a problem with studio availability... but they built the 26 cabins anyway, knowing that they were sticking it to most of the buyers, who were likely buying on average 160 points each.

 

[crvetter]

I understand that a point reallocation may increase availability, but I take umbrage with the idea. Its a bait and switch.. they sold the resort with everyone thinking they could get a defined stay for a defined number of points. You can bet your *** that the Disney actuarials ran the numbers and knew that there would be a problem with studio availability... but they built the 26 cabins anyway, knowing that they were sticking it to most of the buyers, who were likely buying on average 160 points each.

This is the crux of the issue on the 2020 point charts (original). DVC says they never sold it that way but the guides were uneducated because the change across units rarely occured (except treehouse villas) and the original documents (VGF prior) that said change would be seasonal weren't legally binding. So I think the guides have been reeducated recently because everything I've heard is they say reallocation can occur across units. I wonder what the new product understanding checklist looks like today, in November it was super ambiguous though I was told after my many calls it was going to be modified.