CC minimum payment increase...HOLY COW!

eclectics said:
Very interesting article. I'd have believed it even without the study. When a couple of days in the hospital runs into the thousands of dollars, even without tests, it's small wonder the underinsured have very few options. A sudden illness can destroy your savings in a remarkably short time.

This is so true. My son's doctor recently ordered a CT scan for him. We are fortunate to have health insurance even though it's very costly at $2,000 per month with a $1,000/person deductible for husband, wife, and 3 children in good health (yes, that is the most affordable we could find as we are small business owners who are not part of a large group). Back to the story...when the nurse learned we have a $1,000 deductible which had not been met, she gave us the names of several local facilities that perform CT scans and told us to call them and ask for the price WITHOUT insurance. The cost without insurance was $735. However, to get the CT scan for this price, we were required by the facility to sign an agreement NOT to file this procedure with our carrier as a claim--even though the purpose would be to apply it to the deductible in case something else/procedure, etc is needed later. They explained that $735. is their NON-INSURANCE rate and that they have a different negotiated rate with the insurance carrier. So, we paid them $735. instead of $1,000. Sorry to sound like a whiner, but this isn't fair or moral in my opinion. I never want to be uninsured as we might experience a catastrophic event some day. The uninsured do have very few options: pay less (which may still be beyond their means) or don't pay at all. By the way, it was necessary for us to charge the $735. to a credit card which was not paid in full when the statement came because we didn't have the funds. And, it's not because we're taking trips to Disney World or anywhere else. We rarely take time off--period. It's because we have three children who are in college (who share the expenses), business hasn't been great and our operating costs are increasing, and because basic LIVING IS EXPENSIVE. I'm not referring to steak and lobster for dinner or eating lunch out. I'm talking mortgage payments, insurance, food, utilities, and clothing. Hopefully, you get the picture. Please don't judge others unless you really have the complete picture of their situation. Remember, life can change in a moment and while it's true there are many choices to make in life, sometimes we don't get to make a choice. Most people wouldn't chose to lose a job, lose their pensions, or suffer personal catastrophic illness. And, many people don't save money for an emergency because they are living paycheck to paycheck. I'm sorry to have rambled here, but to those who sit in personal judgment of others (and I want to make it clear I'm not referring to the OP I quoted above), situations aren't always "black and white" regardless of how YOU see them.
 
katerkat said:
(And for the record, we could pay it off today, but it's a 0% interest purchase and the money's better off in savings. It'll be paid in full before the interest kicks in!)
I agree. We did this with our TV. Make sure to pay the balance off one month early to prevent the "oops your payment was too late" from the CC. Our financial advisor told us to do that.
 
vivilasvegas said:
I guess I don't understand what you mean by so little done.

If you have bad credit, you are pretty much screwed. It takes credit for almost anything these days.

Not much of a determent. If it were, we wouldn't have new people repeating the process everyday. On the other hand, deadbeat dads are getting nailed and lots of moms are getting checks. Not perfect, but better IMO.
 
cardaway said:
Not much of a determent. If it were, we wouldn't have new people repeating the process everyday. On the other hand, deadbeat dads are getting nailed and lots of moms are getting checks. Not perfect, but better IMO.


I guess we'll just disagree on this. My credit was what it took to kick me in the butt and get me back in shape! :teeth:
 

Caradana said:
Birthright has more to do with it than anything. If you were lucky enough to be born to reasonably financially astute people, you have a lower likelihood of making the financial mistakes so scorned on this thread.
From this statement I must be the exception here. I was born to a 17 year old high school dropout (who did poorly in school) and I am college educated (she was against that - a waste of money), have a beautiful home, cars, vacation at WDW and we are planning for our retirement. BTW my Dad finally got a college degree (night school) when I was a teenager. Of my 4 grandparents - 1 graduated high school, 1 left in 7th grade, 1 left in 5th grade and the fourth I don't know for sure (definitely no college). I was born poor and raised poor. Parents lived paycheck to paycheck. Only started to get better in my teen years. What I have I worked for. So if I can do it so can many others. And yes I have good friends who grew up in the Chicago ghetto and they own homes and businesses.
 
Pugdog007 said:
:rotfl2: Your kidding right? So it's my responsibilty to create a safety net for my friends & family? Gee if I'd known this, maybe I wouldn't have worked so hard to create my own safety net over the years. What happened to personal responsibility?

Call me crazy, but yes, I think there should be a safety net in this country for people who have fallen on hard times, most especially due to medical catastrophes. Should we create a saftey net for credit card skofflaws? Of course not. And if you can't see the difference between the two, I feel bad for you.


I'd be interested in seeing your supporting data for this statement. Until I see it from a reputable source, I will not believe it. Anyone I've known personally or heard about that has filed bankrupcy, has done so because they were in the habit of living beyond their means.

Consider yourself lucky. My friend was forced into bankruptcy when her husband stopped paying child support and she lost her job. Her safety net was gone in 3 months.

Check out getsickgobroke.org for the study that's already been referred to and while you're there, read a few of the personal stories. Perhaps you will be reminded of how privileged you really are.
 
mickeyfan2 said:
From this statement I must be the exception here. I was born to a 17 year old high school dropout (who did poorly in school) and I am college educated (she was against that - a waste of money), have a beautiful home, cars, vacation at WDW and we are planning for our retirement. BTW my Dad finally got a college degree (night school) when I was a teenager. Of my 4 grandparents - 1 graduated high school, 1 left in 7th grade, 1 left in 5th grade and the fourth I don't know for sure (definitely no college). I was born poor and raised poor. Parents lived paycheck to paycheck. Only started to get better in my teen years. What I have I worked for. So if I can do it so can many others. And yes I have good friends who grew up in the Chicago ghetto and they own homes and businesses.

Good for you (and good for your friends!). But I think the point was that if you come from a family that is better off, you are more likely to have better finacial skills. Obviously nothing is ever absolute!

A good friend of mine came from a family of bad money management skills. She watched her parents borrow money from her grandmother everytime they ran short. She watched her father live off of unemployment because he was too depresed to find work, and her mother not work at all because she was a "stay-at-home-mom". When she turned 18, her mom told her all about CC's, how they were wonderful and how you could buy something for $200 but only pay $10 a month for it! :rolleyes: She proceeded to charge up a storm, on top of student loans. She got a great paying job after college but got laid off due to 9/11 and it took her 4 years to find a new job, she spent those 4 years temping for $12 an hour with no health insurance. She was just barely keeping her head above water. She had every intention off paying all back, she was doing everything she could to avoid bankruptcy. This spring she landed in the hospital for a week, only 2 weeks before she would have started a job with health insurance.

She just filed for bankruptcy over the sumer. She just couldn't handle the medical bills on top of the credit cards and student loans. She has now learned her lesson (and passed those lessons on to her younger sister, who has learned well and won't make the same mistakes my friend did!). Although she is doing better, she is now paying her parents mortgage for them, otherwise the bank would have taken it. Her father is still to depressed to find work, and I have no idea what her mother's issue is, since her younger sister is a senior in high school and they have no other kids at home. Probably her new excuse is that she has to help my friend's older sister who has a baby due in February! :rolleyes:

Anyway, my point is that bad financial "genes" CAN be passed down from generation to generation.
 
vivilasvegas said:
What are you suggesting, jail-time??

I made the suggestion that jail-time or I called it Debit's Prison could happen. How are people going to come up with their credit card payment, when they can't pay it now. But will it be fair for someone to sit in jail, probably under Huber, so they can go to work everyday-and have their debt wiped out because they went to jail 6 months?

Financial advisor's are saying to call your credit card immediately if you cannot make the new minimum payment. I guess they are suppose to work something out with you.
 
dvcgirl said:
Eventually they run out of equity in the home and then they can't keep up with the larger mortgage payment since they've still got all of that CC debt. Sounds like your family members are heading down this treacherous road.
I heard a good quote the other day. Americans are using their homes as ATM machines. I do agree with this statement.
 
mcnuss said:
And if you can't see the difference between the two, I feel bad for you.

Yep, the thread is turning ugly.

Given the system, there is no way the poeple who are responsible, pay off their debt, and put aside for emergencies should have to sacrifice any more.

I know in our case we don't do or buy lots of things because we refuse live beyond our means. The only thing that will come of making people sacrifice more is they will go into further debt.

My friend was forced into bankruptcy when her husband stopped paying child support and she lost her job. Her safety net was gone in 3 months.

Is she going after the dad or is she going to let him slide. Maybe he also needs a safety net?
 
cardaway said:
Yep, the thread is turning ugly.

Given the system, there is no way the poeple who are responsible, pay off their debt, and put aside for emergencies should have to sacrifice any more.

I know in our case we don't do or buy lots of things because we refuse live beyond our means. The only thing that will come of making people sacrifice more is they will go into further debt.

Bingo. I wish someone would let me know how many safety nets I'm supposed to provide for others before I continue to add to the safety net of MY family.
 
Chicago526 said:
bad financial "genes" CAN be passed down from generation to generation.

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!! My DH learned financial mismanagement from both his parents. Unfortunately, when you have learned bad habits they are very hard to change.
 
OhMari said:
I made the suggestion that jail-time or I called it Debit's Prison could happen. How are people going to come up with their credit card payment, when they can't pay it now. But will it be fair for someone to sit in jail, probably under Huber, so they can go to work everyday-and have their debt wiped out because they went to jail 6 months?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to jail deadbeats dads for the same reason. The same goes for people who commit fraud and cause others to lose lots of money. They can't pay it back if they are in jail, yet that's what we do.

Most of these people will never be able to pay off what they spent no matter how long they remain free.

True or false - part of the reason for jail is as a deterent?
 
BuckNaked said:
Bingo. I wish someone would let me know how many safety nets I'm supposed to provide for others before I continue to add to the safety net of MY family.

How about we never give them the chance to tell us. :goodvibes
 
cardaway said:
Doesn't make a lot of sense to jail deadbeats dads for the same reason. The same goes for people who commit fraud and cause others to lose lots of money. They can't pay it back if they are in jail, yet that's what we do.

Most of these people will never be able to pay off what they spent no matter how long they remain free.

True or false - part of the reason for jail is as a deterent?


Goodness, gracious, I can't believe I am agreeing with you. :rotfl:
 
I think that one thing that could be done is to TEACH people good money management skills in school! School is just so impractical these days. So little of what is taught is just straight-up NOT useful. Knowing how to balance a checkbook, how a credit card works, is INFINITELY more valuable than knowing how many protoms are in a certain atom or what happened in 1847. I think it should be required in every school. So many parents in this country have poor money management skills, we just can't trust them to teach their kids. I know MY parents never taught me how credit cards work, how to balance a checkbook, etc. They didn't have the time.
 
Free4Life11 said:
Knowing how to balance a checkbook, how a credit card works, is INFINITELY more valuable than knowing how many protoms are in a certain atom or what happened in 1847. I think it should be required in every school. So many parents in this country have poor money management skills, we just can't trust them to teach their kids. I know MY parents never taught me how credit cards work, how to balance a checkbook, etc. They didn't have the time.

Balancing a check book and budgeting are only the tip of the iceberg.

I remember having a section of economics class that was bascially a life simulation. Without any direction you were paired up and allowed to run your life without a certain amount of money to spend, basically giving them credit. Little by little the students were told what was going wrong without ever letting them know how bad it was until it was too late.
 
cardaway said:
Is she going after the dad or is she going to let him slide. Maybe he also needs a safety net?

I went after my ex. It took 20 months before the dust settled. The courts also decided that he didn't owe the new amount for the 20 months it took to get it all established. So...that's not always the answer.

As far as safety nets go, just wondering how much medical coverage the most recent mission to mars (or wherever) could have provided for Americans who have none? Or, what would be wrong with putting caps on malpractice, so the insurance wouldn't be so high that doctor visits wouldn't cost me a week's worth of groceries? What would be wrong with putting a cap on OOP expenses for people with no insurance and allow them to pay them off over time? I currently have a problem with a tooth (loose crown) and injured my shoulder/upper back (actually in WDW, CM's fault, longish story), but I would rather pay my credit card (and other bills), than have to fork over the exhorbitant sums of money that will be required up front to pay the doctors, not to mention the mark on my HEALTH 'credit report', which I can't afford, either if I ever want to be able to buy health insurance for myself.

For people who have never been in the groceries vs. medicine shoes, it's not your place to talk down to those who might be.
 
graygables said:
For people who have never been in the groceries vs. medicine shoes, it's not your place to talk down to those who might be.

Discussing about how to solve the problem is not talking down to people. If that was the case, the people who said others don't give enough to the safety net were also talking down to people.
 


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