Cautions for renting Searaycers and other watercraft

Endeavour105

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Be advised that the Watercraft CMs operating the WDW Watercraft boats servicing the MK have radios and you can guarantee they will report ANYONE using Searaycers driving recklessly or too close to the ferry boats, motor cruisers and motor launches to Lake Patrol who, depending on the circumstances, will throw the offender(s) off the water.

Stay at least 150' away from the ferry boats, cruisers and launches and stay out of the ferry boat channel - except to cross it perpendicular to the ferry boat direction of travel.

It certainly sometimes seems that guests renting Searaycers and other rental boats must sign a statement certifying that they are complete idiots and are willing to risk their lives and the safety of their rider, if any, in order to rent in these small boats
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Oh Oh, sounds like somebody had/saw a foolish person on the watercraft. Want to fill us in? popcorn::
 
I have been on the ferry many times and seen the Searaycers pop out from behind an island right in front of them. :scared1: For me, that's the most treacherous part of going from Bay Lake to Seven Seas Lagoon. I don't mind being in either lake, but crossing from one to the other you really have to focus and pay attention.
 

Has anyone ever heard of or seen an actual injury resulting from misuse of the mouseboats? Or has one ever hit one of the larger boats or caused an accident?
 
Has anyone ever heard of or seen an actual injury resulting from misuse of the mouseboats? Or has one ever hit one of the larger boats or caused an accident?

Yes serious accidents have occurred. That is one reason on this area that a driver's license is now required to drive. Obviously though that does not mean everyone will still act responsibly.:sad2:
 
I've been stopped on Searacers twice, for going too fast through the "no wake" zone. It was my bad. Apparently, you're supposed to put the boat in neutral and have the waves push you through. Tried it and it wasn't working, so I slowly went through them. Oh well.

At times there are alot of boats out there and I can see how it might be possible to come pretty close to other boats.
 
I've been stopped on Searacers twice, for going too fast through the "no wake" zone. It was my bad. Apparently, you're supposed to put the boat in neutral and have the waves push you through. Tried it and it wasn't working, so I slowly went through them. Oh well.

At times there are alot of boats out there and I can see how it might be possible to come pretty close to other boats.

Do NOT put the boat in neutral - use idle speed when going through the "No Wake" zone in the Waterbridge channel.

Using any waves to "push you through", as you say, is very dangerous as you have no true control of the boat.
 
We're interested in renting the boats next week (love saying "next week" lol) and was wondering if we'll get breifed about all these rules/locations?

We'll be renting from the GF and plan on venturing to Bay Lake and back. I'm well aware that ferries and other boats come and go and have priority but is there any place where I can see official rules/regulations or even a map?
 
We're interested in renting the boats next week (love saying "next week" lol) and was wondering if we'll get breifed about all these rules/locations?

We'll be renting from the GF and plan on venturing to Bay Lake and back. I'm well aware that ferries and other boats come and go and have priority but is there any place where I can see official rules/regulations or even a map?


MAPS:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:N9gGdmmYswgJ:www.wdwinfo.com/resortmaps/+walt+disney+world+map&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Haven't run across anywhere on the WEB that has a list of the WDW Watercraft rental rules - However, read your rental contract completely and ask any questions you may have when you rent.

Under your screen name, it says, "Teach me the rules and I'll show you how to break them..."...
Not advisable if you're going to rent boats...
 
Irishhockey-First of all, have a great trip to WDW!!! :banana:

Secondly, DH and I rented a Searaycer when we were there a couple of weeks ago. I also could not find rules posted anywhere online, but they will BRIEFLY go over some rules with you. Really, if you use common sense, you should be just fine. Just make sure to pay attention to the no wake zones as they can sneak up on you. There will be signs to alert you that you are entering a no wake zone. DH and I also did not put our boats in neutral thru this zone. We just slowly drove thru them. We did pass the Disney water police (or whatever they're called) several times, and they never said anything to us, so I think that driving slowly thru the no wake zones is ok. Also, as on any body of water, larger boats have the right of way. So, just move over if you you see a boat coming and let them pass. We didn't try to go around them or drive beside them. We just pulled off and stopped while they passed us. Lastly, we were told to stay to the right. Of course, the "rules" said to stay 10 feet away from the shore line. So, just stay a safe distance away from the shore and try to stay right. It's not difficult. We had fun. :thumbsup2
 
Endeavor, it sounds like you're a watercraft CM, so I'll ask you a question as one who has rented these boats since back in the days when they were called "water sprites" - if I'm going through the channel, in the no wake zone, and one of the big cruisers comes up behind me, should I speed up to get out of his way?

It would mean going faster than the "idle" speed, but my wake will be a lot smaller than what the cruiser will produce right behind me anyway.

Thanks for your input - looking forward to visiting later this month. Weather permitting, we'll be boating again.
 

This link doesn't have a map that shows what I was looking for. I was thinking more along the lines of a map that shows no wake zones, water ways, ferry paths, etc. I think I remember seeing one for Bay Lake at one point... but have yet to see it again.

Haven't run across anywhere on the WEB that has a list of the WDW Watercraft rental rules - However, read your rental contract completely and ask any questions you may have when you rent.

Under your screen name, it says, "Teach me the rules and I'll show you how to break them..."...
Not advisable if you're going to rent boats...

I'm not looking to break the rules lol. I just don't want to put myself (or others) in harms way. I'd prefer to just go out and have a leisurely time touring the lake, resorts, and lagoon with out panicing if I'm doing something right or wrong.

Queenofhartz said:
Secondly, DH and I rented a Searaycer when we were there a couple of weeks ago. I also could not find rules posted anywhere online, but they will BRIEFLY go over some rules with you. Really, if you use common sense, you should be just fine. Just make sure to pay attention to the no wake zones as they can sneak up on you. There will be signs to alert you that you are entering a no wake zone. DH and I also did not put our boats in neutral thru this zone. We just slowly drove thru them. We did pass the Disney water police (or whatever they're called) several times, and they never said anything to us, so I think that driving slowly thru the no wake zones is ok. Also, as on any body of water, larger boats have the right of way. So, just move over if you you see a boat coming and let them pass. We didn't try to go around them or drive beside them. We just pulled off and stopped while they passed us. Lastly, we were told to stay to the right. Of course, the "rules" said to stay 10 feet away from the shore line. So, just stay a safe distance away from the shore and try to stay right. It's not difficult. We had fun.

Thanks so much for the personal expereince review and tips! As you mentioned, my one concern would be the no-wake zones that can "sneak" up on you. I have no problem giving the larger boats right of way, as I figure it's easier for me to see them then it for them to see me.

Thanks again for the help!
 
If you really want a wild experience, try this:
Right in front of the MK, there is a long dock-looking structure in the water. It serves to break the waves from the ferry dock at the MK. It is also heavily populated with birds. Coming from Poly, if you fly by that dock (about 5-10 feet - any closer and it may turn out bad), the birds will take flight. This is where the Hitchcock experience begins. The birds will be everywhere...in front of you, over you, behind you, and some even under you (just kidding, no birds are harmed with this activity). I'll try to post a picture that we took as we flew by. Have fun.

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I think the thing that is hardest for novice boaters is that boats do not have brakes! You can not stop quickly.

As to maps of the area. If you look at any Disney map that shows the resorts you have a boat that goes from the Polynesian and Grand Floridian and then over to the MK. The large ferry boats go from the TTC pretty much on a straight path to the MK.

There is another boat that comes from the Bay Lake area of Fort Wilderness, Contemporary and Wilderness Lodge and then thru the channel that connects Bay Lake to Seven Seas Lagoon.

Then you will have the Searaycers going everywhere in between and the CM boats trying to keep them all seperated.

Also for some reason some seem to think that if they dart in front of the large ferry boats that they can stop or avoid them. Consider them a boat version of a train. Avoid at all costs.
 
I am constantly amazed at the fact that anyone with a license can rent a boat. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for more regulation, but operating a boat, and operating a car are far different (just the "no brakes" issue is enough). I know there may not be a way to fix this, but I just wonder how long the water mice last. I hope they never go away, but all it's going to take is one serious accident and I could see the legal guys in Anaheim ending the small boat idea. Until then, we'll buzz the bird tower at MK every chance we get.
 
Endeavor, it sounds like you're a watercraft CM, so I'll ask you a question as one who has rented these boats since back in the days when they were called "water sprites" - if I'm going through the channel, in the no wake zone, and one of the big cruisers comes up behind me, should I speed up to get out of his way?

It would mean going faster than the "idle" speed, but my wake will be a lot smaller than what the cruiser will produce right behind me anyway.

Thanks for your input - looking forward to visiting later this month. Weather permitting, we'll be boating again.

In 'No Wake" zones, such as the Waterbridge Channel connecting 7 Seas Lagoon with Bay Lake, just move over safely to the right - no need to speed up.

Also, in this channel Searaycer renters need to occasionally look behind them to check for other boats - it seems most times, many renters are oblivious to anything to their stern - sometimes :), Watercraft CMs piloting motor cruisers will, while still maintaining a safe distance, 'sneak up' on an oblivious Searaycer and lay on the cruiser's air horn just to see the surprised :scared1: Searaycer operator whip their head around getting a mild form of 'whiplash'.

Also, although not posted as with the Water Bridge Channel, the areas within 150' of all of the docks are considered No Wake zones. Unfortunately, this seems to not be commonly known. Although small boats, nevertheless, the wakes from Searaycers passing too close to docks at speed with a WDW Watercraft motor launch at the dock results in quasi-violent rocking of the launch presenting a safety hazard to guests boarding or disembarking the launch, and, to a lesser degree, the motor cruisers.

Irishhockey: Regarding No Wake Zones and Watercraft route 'maps', one of the OPs correctly outlined the paths of the WDW Watercraft routes. In addition, on Bay Lake, the 2 Blue flag motor launches run between the CR, WL and the FWC in a circular route - clockwise until 3 p.m. and counterclockwise after 3 p.m. I know of no publicly available maps that show the Watercraft routes and no wake zones on the 2 lakes.

FYI - WDW Watercraft stopping distances (under full Emergency STOP conditions from full speed and calm water conditions with no guests onboard)

Ferry Boats (190 tons): 2+ boat lengths = 240'+
Motor Cruisers (20 tons): 1+ boat length = 70'+-
Motor Launches (10 tons): 1+ boat length = 45' +-

The most frequent Searaycer offences seem to be related to the ferry boat channel that runs in a somewhat straight line between the MK and the TTC. Some years ago, and not personally witnessed, a woman, obviously TOTALLY oblivious to the oncoming ferry boat, decide to stop her small boat right in front of a ferry boat in the middle of the ferry boat channel to take a picture. The result was not very pretty with the 'Cusinart' effect of the forward ferry boat prop on her and her smallboat.

Other frequent Searaycer offences include:
1. Wake jumping too close to the sterns of the WDW Watercraft.
2. Driving too close to the WDW Watercraft.
3. Going full speed too close to docks and docked WDW Watercraft.
4. Reckless operation near other boats.

To summarize my and the other postings here, you now have some guidelines on what to consider when operating rental watercraft on 7 Seas Lagoon and Bay Lake.

It certainly seems that many WDW guests renting boats have been lulled into some false sense of security for whatever reason during their visit and forget that all boats can be dangerous if not safely and properly operated.

As it was once said during the WDW traditions course for all new WDW CMS:

"Always remember and never forget that many guests visiting WDW have left their brains at home."
 
Pardon me if I've misunderstood, but a DL isn't required to drive, just rent. I know this because my 13yo niece wanted to drive a Searaycer and I told her that you need a license. She persisted and I said she could check & if you didn't need a license we could go. Well they rented to me with her as the driver. They even gave her the safety talk. I didn't catch a minimum age, but 13 is OK with them.
 


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