Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[chris1gill]

They're probably so bored, they're coordinating their clothes for fun.

Looks like Ashton is going to lose this one?

Lost that one, defense warned not to open the door

 

[reelmom]

I would love a list of all of JBP's one-liners.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I think poor Perry needs more aspirin.

 

[ilovepete]

I think Ashton should just give them this one and let it go. This is too much ammo for them to have in the future for mistrial grounds.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Wow! HHBP fighting for this not to be a mistrial!!!

I was so lost with what was going on---add to that I just got on so the last few minutes of questioning meant nothing to me!

But HOLY COW!!!

 

[CurlyGirl]

I think poor Perry needs more aspirin.

Or a stiff drink! (or two or three ...)

 

[ilovepete]

Yeah this is a huge deal. I am sure JBP will take care of it.

 

[usnuzuloose]

It is the defense who started opening that door. Sims kept going with all the questions that made Ashton to object. I think that he was trying to stop it before it started.

 

[ilovepete]

Yeah I'm not blaming it on him, he was doing his job. I just think at this point he should let it go or this could get ugly and possibly give them grounds for a mistrial and JBP knows it so I'm sure he will be extra careful.

 

[diznygirl]

Cool!


Wesh has celebrity look-alikes picked out for the Casey Anthony movie.

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28323656/slideshow.html


Casey Anthony - Alyssa Milano
Jose Baez - George Lopez
Dorothy Sims - Susan Sarandon
Jeff Ashton - Ben Stein
Tony Lazzaro - Zach Braff
Yuri Melich - Russell Crowe
Jennifer Welch - Kate Moss
Dr. G - Dana Delaney

I don't think Ben Stein could muster up enough energy. Maybe he could put in a cameo as a witness for the defense?

I love Alyssa Milano - she's a big Dodger fan like me - but she's actually too old to play Casey. (You'd never know it to look at her! Have I mentioned how much I hate her?! )

No way Alyssa Milano for Casey! This girl from 90210 looks just like her - we even refer to her as Casey when we cannot remember her name on the show.

That is QUITE a resemblance. Poor girl!

This may not be a very popular opinion but I am going to say it anyway.

I feel everyone is entitled to fair and competent representation and I am now of the belief that Casey is not getting that. Baez and Sims are not qualified to handle a case of this magnitude. I want Casey put away for life but this representation is going to be the death of the state. I truly believe there are grounds for a mistrial based on inappropriate representation. I hate that idea but these lawyers are not qualified. I have tried to laugh it off and laugh at their mistakes for the past few weeks but they are bumbling this process and that is not the way things are suppose to be done in the USA. As much as I despise what Casey did, she is entitled to fair representation and she is clearly not getting that.

I think we all agree that the defense is poor. It's terrible to think that she isn't getting the trial she could be getting, but I agree with others that the defense doesn't have much to work with.

This is what I believe...the bolded...

But...do you really think they're TRYING to not be good defense lawyers so that the verdict could be overturned based on inadequate representation? I know other people have said that, but I'm just not buying that any lawyer would do that on purpose.

I think if it's proven that they did it on purpose they would be in contempt, jailed, sanctioned, possibly lose their license, and Casey gets tried again by someone else and loses anyway.

I believe they are truly trying to do their best but they are just not qualified (with the exception of CM). By all accounts, this witness could be powerful. He has a great deal of experience with science and with testifying. He could provide reasonable doubt but the defense needs to know how to ask the right questions of this guy. The defense has managed to confuse their own witness because they are such bumbling fools. The jury has lost interest and the defense doesn't seem to know how to get themselves out of this mess.

Time after time I have heard the commentators say that Baez made a good point and was heading in the right direction but he either drones on and on and loses everyone or he gets off track and the little point he was making to prove reasonable doubt is lost. More qualified attorneys would close the deal. They would make their point without hours worth of testimony. Look how fast Ashton generally is. He asks the question, makes the point and moves on.

It's like what was always written on my brother's report card, "Shows potential, if only he applies himself."

I don't have a lot of time right now. . .so first, Kurby I hope you are feeling better. I know it sucks to have to stay in the hospital when you wanted to go home, but it's always better to be safe than sorry. Soon your little girl will be here!

Second, regarding ineffective assistance of counsel, it must meet two requirements:

First, the defendant must show that counsel’s performance was deficient. This requires showing that counsel made errors so serious that counsel was not functioning as the "counsel" guaranteed the defendant by the Sixth Amendment.

Second, the defendant must show that the deficient performance prejudiced the defense. This requires showing that counsel’s errors were so serious as to deprive the defendant of a fair trial, a trial whose result is reliable.

http://www.caught.net/caught/ineffec.htm

If you follow the link it will show examples of the first requirement. As bad as Bozo et al are, I still don't think they meet that requirement. They are trying, however badly, to represent CA.

This stuck out to me as far as the second requirement:

The reasonableness of counsel's actions may be determined or substantially influenced by the defendant's own statements or actions. Counsel's actions are usually based, quite properly, on informed strategic choices made by the defendant and on information supplied by the defendant. In particular, what investigation decisions are reasonable depends critically on such information. For example, when the facts that support a certain potential line of defense are generally known to counsel because of what the defendant has said, the need for further investigation may be considerably diminished or eliminated altogether. And when a defendant has given counsel reason to believe that pursuing certain investigations would be fruitless or even harmful, counsel's failure to pursue those investigations may not later be challenged as unreasonable. In short, inquiry into counsel's conversations with the defendant may be critical to a proper assessment of counsel's investigation decisions, just as it may be critical to a proper assessment of counsel's other litigation decisions.

So basically, IMHO, they are going by what CA has told them. The fact that it is not a very good defense (most likely because it is just more of her lies, that can't be proven) is not really their fault. They are trying to provide a defense. . .it's just not a very good one.

Wondering if CA tries to appeal based on inadequate counsel Baez would throw HER under the bus and spill his guts about what she told him.

Wow! HHBP fighting for this not to be a mistrial!!!

I was so lost with what was going on---add to that I just got on so the last few minutes of questioning meant nothing to me!

But HOLY COW!!!

I think Judge Perry is well aware that he has to bend over backward to show that every attempt was made at a fair trial.

 

[Wadecool]

I would love a list of all of JBP's one-liners.

He is the one of the best judge I have ever seen. I sure wouldn't want to be facing charges in front of him.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

I don't like that little caveat that HHBP gave to the jury. He said it was up to the State to prove guilt.

If I was a juror just walking back into the room and heard that I'd think the State did something wrong.

 

[ilovepete]

Well glad they got that figured out.

Poor Jennifer Welsh!

 

[chris1gill]

This poor girl has been on the stand SIX times (Jennifer Welch) GEEZ....

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Crap...I dozed off! Will have to rewind and watch the last 20 minutes or so. Tonight's homework...

 

[ilovepete]

I don't like that little caveat that HHBP gave to the jury. He said it was up to the State to prove guilt.

If I was a juror just walking back into the room and heard that I'd think the State did something wrong.

Me too. Especially with the cans and stuff gone off the stand.

 

[chris1gill]

Well she's off and Cindy is on, poor Cindy, geez...

 

[ilovepete]

Cindy is up. This WESH lady keeps talking through everything and is totally ticking me off. I hope they switch bag to regular streaming tomorrow!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

They're calling Welch "the boomerang witness"...keeps coming back.

Cindy is up.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Cindy's up ... here we go! Gonna get good now!