Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

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My point, Jeff Asthon was wrong. I am a former Orlando resident, and I KNOW, there are coyotes in the state of Florida. It was also stated, the bones were chewed on and scattered by animals.

His gleeful retort was inappropriate and incorrect. IMO

And Baez is wrong in just about everything he says, not just one or two things, most things. He can't just make stuff up, but he seems to do just that. His smugg little smile while being admonished is inappropriate as well. So what's the point? The skull has not been reported as being chewed on. Only one bone was reportedly chewed on. He hasn't been able to prove one thing in a weeks time, not the sign of a great defense.
 
In December 2009 Atty Richard Hornsby asked:

Exactly how did Jose Baez become Casey Anthony’s attorney and how he is getting paid? Those are the questions that everyone wants answered.

But what people should really be asking is how did Jose Baez become Casey Anthony’s attorney so quickly.

And to get to the heart of the story, you have to go back to the beginning – back to the day Casey Anthony was arrested.

In the beginning there was no Jose…

According to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office Prisoner Transport Jurat, Casey Anthony was officially booked into jail as of 11:40 p.m. on July 16, 2008.

According to the Notice of Appearance filed by Jose Baez, he was officially her attorney of record as of 3:54 p.m. on July 17, 2008.

And just like that, 17 hours later, Casey Anthony had made the life or death decision of who would be her attorney.

A Little Perspective Please

But to help you understand just how extraordinary it is that Casey Anthony “selected” Jose Baez in less than a 17 hour period, it is necessary to put the other events that were taking place during that 17-hour period into perspective.

First she was booked.

She was booked on July 16, 2008 at 11:40 p.m. Assuming that everything went smoothly, booking would take about an hour, possibly two.

Then she had her Initial Appearance.

We are now at about 2:00 a.m. in the morning. Casey Anthony has likely been awake all day and her Initial Appearance (also called a First Appearance) is scheduled for 8:30 a.m. that same morning.

At around 7:30 a.m. (but as early as 6:30 a.m.) the guards would have started waking up the inmates to line them up for Initial Appearance and to fill out paperwork. And it is this paperwork which I think some of you will find very interesting.

What paperwork you ask, none other than financial paperwork; specifically an Application for Criminal Indigent Status.

And while I am sure that those interested in Ms. Anthony’s finances will no doubt pour over the details of her “claimed” income and assets, there are only three pieces of information that I am concerned with:
1.As of 8:30 a.m. she was seeking the appointment of the public defender;
2.The Clerk of the Court determined that she was indigent; and
3.The Office of the Public Defender was originally appointed to represent her.

Considering that Casey Anthony had affirmatively requested the appointment of the Public Defender, it would seem safe to assume that Casey Anthony had not entered into a formal agreement with Jose Baez prior to filling out the Application for Indigency, much less even met him yet.

Because if she had already hired Jose Baez, why even fill out the form. (Unless she really is as diabolical and cunning as some of you believe – I mean she did indicate she had one dependent).

Time keeps on ticking, ticking into the future…

I also know that Initial Appearances take about two hours, so that puts her back into her cell around 10:30 a.m.; thus narrowing the time she had to meet with and select Jose Baez to 6.5 hours.

Not so Fast!

But not so fast my friend. It is interesting to note that the the Notice of Appearance was stamped by the Orange County Clerk of the Court at 3:54 p.m. And you must remember that Jose Baez’s office is in Osceola County. And a little Google Map action shows that it takes 30 minutes to drive from Jose Baez’s office to the the Orange County Courthouse. The obvious inference is that Casey Anthony had actually selected Jose Baez well before 3:00 p.m.

Because after he met with her, he would have had to agree to take on her case and then leave the jail and have someone type up the Notice of Appearance and then file it with the Clerk of the Court.

But even better, there is a drop box where attorneys leave their filings. Which means that it is usually another hour before a Deputy Clerk stamps the filing in. (Only in rare circumstances does an attorney actually asks a Deputy Clerk to stamp a filing in, especially such a routine filing like a Notice of Appearance.)

So it is most likely that Jose Baez met with Casey Anthony sometime between 10:30 a.m. and 2:00 p.m.; giving a grand total of 3.5 hours to make the decision of her life.

Simply amazing.

And then there was Jose Baez. Jose Who? Jose Baez, Jose Who? Oh never mind!

Now knowing the likely time period under which Casey Anthony operated when selecting Jose Baez, we still do not know:
1.How did Casey Anthony get Jose Baez’s number?
2.How did Jose Baez get Casey Anthony’s name?

And in all honesty, I have no answers and am only left with analyzing the most widely suggested theory.

Someone in Jail gave Jose Baez’s Number to Casey

Although this seems like the most obvious explanation, I think it is unlikely. Let’s discuss.

First, when you are initially arrested, you are not immedietly placed into general population, the place where inmates are most likely to have an attorney’s number handy.

Rather the jail keeps you in their Booking and Release unit until they can process you and formerly assign you to permanent housing unit. So it is unlikely that she had sufficient contact with other inmates to even get an attorney’s name and number to call.

Second, even if another inmate gave her Jose Baez’s number, you would expect that inmate to have hired Jose Baez as well. Moreover, because the jail keeps inmates segregated, you would expect that inmate to be a woman.

And while by no means exhaustive, you can exclude this possibility by conducting a search on the Orange County Clerk’s website for all cases that Jose Baez handled from September 22, 2005 (his date of admission) to July 18, 2008 (the day after Casey Anthony’s arrest).

The search reveals he was attorney of record in 54 cases. Of those cases, only 16 cases involved female clients (or at least feminine first names).

And if you examine each of his female client’s cases, you will see that none of them were either:
1.Being held in jail awaiting trial, or
2.Serving a jail sentence on the day of Casey Anthony’s arrest.

So it seems highly unlikely that a female inmate gave Jose Baez’s phone number to Casey Anthony.

But What if Some Other Dude Did It?

But what if it was a male inmate you ask? Well okay, if you examine each of the male clients that he was representing at the time, you will see that none of those clients were arrested in the week leading up to her arrest date; and the only male inmates she could have had contact with would be recently arrested inmates. So while possible, it is highly unlikely.

My Personal Conspiracy Theory

Wikipedia defines a conspiracy theory as “any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.”

And with that definition as a backdrop, I would like to briefly offer what I think is a more plausible theory of how Casey Anthony got Jose Baez’s number – she had contacted him before Caylee was ever discovered missing.

Why? Because I can not think of any sane attorney who would:
1.Respond to a telephone call from a recently arrested inmate within four hours.
2.Actually be able to meet with an inmate within four hours of receiving a call (did he not have any other meetings that Thursday or say, court?).
3.Agree to take on an inmate’s case, without speaking to a third party guarantor.
4.File a Notice of Appearance without first obtaining a very significant down payment from the Third Party guarantor.

I mean think about it, what was the rush? While I can only speculate, let us assume they actually met for the first time on July 17, 2008. I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation, which would have taken place after Jose read the Arrest Affidavit.
■Jose: So let me get this straight? Your daughter has been missing for 31 days?
■Casey: Yeah.
■Jose: And you told the police that Zanny the Nanny kidnapped her?
■Casey: Yeah.
■Jose: And you then lied to police about where you worked when they tried to verify parts of your story?
■Casey: Yeah.
■Jose: And you went so far as to take them all the way to Universal Studios?
■Casey: Yeah, why? Don’t you believe me. Won’t you take my case?
■Jose: Sure, just sign right here on the dotted line. I will then run back to my office in Kissimmee, print out a Notice of Appearance, and then drive back to Orlando and personally file the Notice of Appearance myself because I have nothing better to do today.

Listen, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I have handled my fair share of cases and I don’t know any attorney this side of Wonderland who would:
1.Read an Arrest Report like the one in Casey’s case and then
2.Talk to a potential client like Casey who is the subject of that arrest report and then
3.File a Notice of Appearance without so much as a smidgen of compensation or guaranteed source of payment.

Be clear, Casey Anthony may have been in a rush to get out of jail. But Jose Baez did not need to rush to take on the case so quickly.

Any attorney worth his salt – let me rephrase that – any attorney period, would have thought long and hard before filing a Notice of Appearance in a case like Casey Anthony’s.

I don’t care how much media exposure the case had AT THE TIME. Nobody knew how big the case would become.

At the time the case was just another “News at 6″ headline.

But if it could be proven that Casey Anthony contacted Jose Baez prior to it being discovered that Caylee was missing; it would be the biggest bombshell in the entire case.

Because it would show beyond all doubt that Casey Anthony had a guilty conscience and sought out a criminal defense attorney for preemptive advice.

But then again, that is just my conspiracy theory. Nothing more, nothing less. Because everyone knows that neither Casey Anthony nor Jose Baez has the super power or cunning to secretly plot out something so diabolical – or do they?

But the Most Likely Explanation

But before I go, I think it is prudent of me to opine as to what I think is the most likely scenario. I ran the above theory by Florida News Network reporter Rozzie Franco.

She in turn asked around and reported back that it was believed Jose Baez had handled a traffic ticket or something of that nature for one of her former boyfriends (Jesse Grund I believe) and it was the boyfriend who asked Baez to go out and talk to Casey.

If true, that makes a whole heck of a lot of sense.

But then again, I still can’t understand why in the world Jose Baez would take on a case of that nature without first asking Casey one simple question:

Show me the money!

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/12/
 
well, vass and the smell "science", police interrogation recordings (without miranda warning), the caylee duct tape video, the jailhouse video visits..just to name a few.

I think, casey will be convicted, but the verdict will be thrown out, so many errors. Both lead attorneys, defense and prosecution, behave inappropriately, but perry's contempt for baez is apparent and influences the jury. The judge is partial..and it shows. Imo

+ 1,000,000
 
Well, Vass and the smell "science", police interrogation recordings (without Miranda warning), the Caylee duct tape video, the jailhouse video visits..just to name a few.

I think, Casey will be convicted, but the verdict will be thrown out, so many errors. Both lead attorneys, defense and prosecution, behave inappropriately, but Perry's contempt for Baez is apparent and influences the jury. The judge is partial..and it shows. iMO

The jury has been dismissed out of the court when Perry dealt with Baez so they have no idea that he has been in trouble. Perry is being very fair, is says that casey needs to still have a fair trial even though her attorney still violates the court orders. If you walk into alot of court rooms I am sure you will find this with alot of attorneys. If this was not on tv you would not have a clue how anyone is behaving unless you were in there watching. If you are for the defense I dont have a problem with it. I am not going to make a big deal about it. As most of the people in here. We have all been very cordial to one another reguardless what our opinion is.
 

DNA, finger prints, facial recognition programs etc. All had their first trial at some point and are now accepted forms for forensic science

It's up to the jury to say they believe it or think it's bogus

Defence brought in a witness for low count DNA which according to the witness isn't being tested in the states yet he is the only one doing it So is that junk science or new? Do the jury have to believe it. No just like everything else. They can choose to disregard a witness they don't find credible or a pc of evidence they don't believe

Try giving them some credit but dont be mad if they disagree with you
 
My point, Jeff Asthon was wrong. I am a former Orlando resident, and I KNOW, there are coyotes in the state of Florida. It was also stated, the bones were chewed on and scattered by animals.

His gleeful retort was inappropriate and incorrect. IMO

The truth is not respected on this thread. Shame on you snell ... lol

I have a few pelts from Clearwater that would rock this thread 20 pages. :lmao:

WAIT!!!! they didn't pick the jury near there did they????

This is too funny :rotfl:
 
The truth is not respected on this thread. Shame on you snell ... lol

I have a few pelts from Clearwater that would rock this thread 20 pages. :lmao:

WAIT!!!! they didn't pick the jury near there did they????

This is too funny :rotfl:

Nor by Baez, Casey and the defense team......

I'm sure if there is a mistrial it will be due to Jeff Ashton being wrong about coyotes. That is the important truth after all.
 
Jailhouse videos-they don't have anything to do w/the murder charges, but DO show ICA's state of mind and propensity for lying.

Miranda-I'm glad that Geraldo has someone on his side. She volunteered to go on any of the road trips w/authorities, who were viewing it as a missing child case. And, in the case of the recordings made at Universal, she continued to lie and not incriminate herself, using stories that were already in place and corroborated by her family, so any info she DID give would most likely have been discovered independent of any statements

Smell Test-don't know that it was as big an issue as it was hyped to be, but DNA was 'junk science' at one point, too.

Bias against the defense-I think having a judge give precedent citations so the defense can do research to HELP their case goes a long way to blowing that theory out of the water.

Coyotes-yes, it was a smug retort, but the comment about dogs and bones at that particular moment was amusing and somewhat preposterous when taken in context to her testimony.
 
The truth is not respected on this thread. Shame on you snell ... lol

I have a few pelts from Clearwater that would rock this thread 20 pages. :lmao:

WAIT!!!! they didn't pick the jury near there did they????

This is too funny :rotfl:

I don't post often, but I read this thread like a regular. I believe this is the second time you have been snarky towards the people on this thread. Are you part of the JB Mission blog? You seem to be very like minded as the people commenting over there.
 
Interesting reading in Krystal Holloway's 2/17/10 interview - here's just a few of the items that stood out to me ;) <<snip>>

Seahunt, wish we had a "thanks" button here similar to WS. :thumbsup2 This, along with the Richard Hornsby article :eek: was new & enlightening for me. Thanks for your input. :goodvibes
 
About the leaves from the camphor tree with no camphor tree there. How far from that particular area could there been a camphor tree, and with all the bad weather, blown/floated there?

Going back through to play catch up again. :cutie:

I missed this part about camphor tree leaves. Interesting - I don't know if there are any camphor trees close by in that area that could have blown there, BUT I do know that there are many camphor trees over by Tony L's apartment in Winter Park.....hmmmm, need to ponder this a while :rolleyes1
 
i think it's been mentioned somewhere (don't think here) that she hasn't been offered a plea.

the state felt strong about their case and didn't want her to plead out


I believe she was offered a deal

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...thony-attorney-jose-baez-caylee-marie-anthony

I know she was offered one on the fraud charges and took it.

See, THAT right there is the thing. They don't have anything to work with, except the lies she's spun. When a person is guilty, and I believe she is, maybe it's just difficult to defend a guilty person! I think where they went really wrong was trying to CREATE a defense.

And now they're saying that even if April Whalen never directly told Casey anything about her son drowning in the family pool and being found by the child's grandfather, the cell walls are paper thin (plus, they're very open, aren't they?) and if April told anyone, Casey could have easily heard it.


In the letters Casey wrote to Robyn her prison pen pal she talked about listening to the other inmates talking thru the vents.


Casey is not receiving a fair trial. The defense is inadequate, and the judge is extremely biased, towards the prosecution.

BTW..Mr. Prosecutor, there ARE coyotes in Florida.


See I don't agree with that statement. HHBP has been bending over backwards to ensure that she does get a fair trial.

And her defense being inadequate falls squarely on her shoulders. She was given many outs but she refused them...heck she even signed paperwork stating she didn't care. She has at minimum 5 lawyers sitting on her side.

I see HHBP being biased for the defense! He has let slide so many infractions it's not funny.


:lmao: I wanna play, I wanna play


irishbosoxfan, thanks so much for your transcripts. Most appreciated!!!

You're Welcome!


Well, Vass and the smell "science", police interrogation recordings (without Miranda warning), the Caylee duct tape video, the jailhouse video visits..just to name a few.

I think, Casey will be convicted, but the verdict will be thrown out, so many errors. Both lead attorneys, defense and prosecution, behave inappropriately, but Perry's contempt for Baez is apparent and influences the jury. The judge is partial..and it shows. iMO


So much of our forensic science didnt exist even 10 years ago. Now the use of dna, als, computer forensics, video enhancements etc are widely accepted. Research scientists work hard to make sure that results can be duplicated which is the governing factor for acceptance.

As for the interrogation and jailhouse videos...signs are posted everywhere saying that by entering the building you accept that you are subject to being video taped--No reason to be mirandized. Heck at that point all they had against her was being a liar..which isn't a punishable offense unless your a mom or the cops.

I do agree there may be an issue with the Caylee video but thats my own opinion and the only reason I think that is because Casey wasnt photoshopped out of the picture. But it was a visual demonstration of the experts report so it was allowed.

The behavior is what you would expect from a child not from a lawyer before a judge. I think JA has done very well holding himself in check. If it was me I'd be tempted to walk across the room and smack Jb up the back of his head..But that's just me..I have very little patience for numbnuts.

HHJB has released the jury before he reprimands either side so I'm not sure where you're getting that it influences the jury..they're not even in the room.



The truth is not respected on this thread. Shame on you snell ... lol

I have a few pelts from Clearwater that would rock this thread 20 pages. :lmao:

WAIT!!!! they didn't pick the jury near there did they????

This is too funny :rotfl:

Not sure what truth you're trying to speak about. If anything everyone here has gone out of their way to make sure the truth is known.

If someone like you comes along and says "blah blah bladiddy blah" and we know it's actually "blah bladiddy blah blah" we will find a link to support our knowledge to share with the poster in error.

As for the coyote comment JA made today...Ok he made a mistake but it is one I can see being made easily. Unless there was an attack in the area that he would have heard of or unless he walked out on his back patio in his skivvies one morning and came face to face with one he may not have been aware.

And as far as I can remember from your previous posts you have made a few offhanded snide comments. I remember very few facts pertaining to the trial or from prior to the trial and those that you posted everyone was in agreement with.

It seems to me that your posts on this thread are meant to argumentative. If someone said the sky is blue you'd say it's green just to have the dissenting opinion.
 
The jailhouse videos should only be allowed , IF she "admitted or confessed" guilt. The smell "science" has not been proven to be reliable.

I disagree, and I'm not alone. She should have been mirandized.

No you're not alone, but that doesn't make you right. ;) We'll have to see but I will side with THJP .

The truth is not respected on this thread. Shame on you snell ... lol

I have a few pelts from Clearwater that would rock this thread 20 pages. :lmao:

WAIT!!!! they didn't pick the jury near there did they????

This is too funny :rotfl:
What truth would that be, coyotes in Orlando? That's whats worthy of a nasty attack on others here? :confused3
 
This is the first time I'm posting on this thread, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the info and updates. I can't watch the trial and by the time I get home from work I have 3 little kids (including a 3 month old) to feed, bathe, put to bed and then get ready for the next day so this is where I'm getting my info on what happened during the day and links to read.
 
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/mirandarights/a/mirandaqa.htm

I cannot copy and paste from the article..but what caught my attention in the past and now is that your statements MAY Be ruled inadmissible in court. It doesn't say that they WILL be inadmissible or that they NEVER can be used.

They had a hearing and it was determined that these police tapes could be admitted because the state argued their case successfully that he police were conducting a missing child investigation.



The jailhouse videos were admitted be because again---crime in process. She isn't helping the victims one bit. Also, thanks to her attorney with his accusations of George, the tapes where she is praising George became relevant.

The smell science went through the Frye hearing, right? So it was vetted and permitted. Now of Casey is convicted, it will set precedence.

What I find silly is that air quality is constantly measured during these times of enviroentl awareness. Air content has been measured for years. I think it is neat how far science has come and find that they are using it in forensics to be fascinating.

What I also find silly is how defense objected repeatedly and it turns out, they have their own new age scientific evidence. While it is their job to try and kick out whatever they can, I find it absolutely amusing that when the shoe is on the other foot, they sing a different tune.

The coyote thing was a mistake on Asthon's part. I guess it wasn't in the deposition and he was going on his own knowledge. It is irrelevant in the case and even the so called EXPERT was not certain. I had lived in Florida from 1992 until last year and the link posted is the first Time I heard that coyotes inhabit every county. I had lived in several counties and never have come across a single article or news story about the issue. I would presume it is not so common that it is in every yard.
 
Itt may also that Ashton was making a statement to her that was ridiculous meaning her body being there for two was ridiculous as well. Hope that came out right it's early.
 
hummmm defense has a "geologist" expert on the stand.

junk science????? really?? looking at rocks and dirt??? isn't a rock a rock and dirt it just dirt? next thing they will be saying that there is different grass and that not all water is the same


sarcasm at it's best by the way.
 
dammit - just got notice (via an electric guy coming around) telling us that our power is going to be cut for 4 hours this morning.

figures - it couldn't be this afternoon could it.

gonna lose my internet :(

guess it's time to get the sky thing on my iphone
 
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