Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[Kurby]

Can someone explain how it works in the states

If the procicution charges her with murder can the jury then say they don't think it was on purpose mut accident therefore manslaughter ? And convict her of that

Or

Do they have to come back with not guilty and she gets off?

Only to thve the jury say ..... If we were given another option we would have convicted her because we think she did it just not planned it premetaded

 

[ilovepete]

It's late, and I'm tired, so maybe I'm missing something obvious, but why would George lie about seeing Casey and Caylee leave together on 6/16, assuming of course, that he really did have nothing to do with what happened to Caylee, which I am assuming. Whether he says that Casey got mad and took Caylee on Sunday night or that she left with Caylee on Monday midday, either way she's still leaving alone with Caylee, no other person is involved, what would there to be gained by his lying? Was he just trying to back up to the police what Casey told them, that she took Caylee during the day and dropped her off with Zanny the nanny? I really just don't want to believe that George was involved with this.

Also, did it strike anyone else as odd that Cindy didn't see Caylee at all on the morning of the 16th before she went to work? Cindy was more like a mother figure to Caylee, wouldn't you think she would probably peek in on Caylee while she was asleep before she left for work?

She said Caylee slept with Casey, so I doubt she would go in Casey's room, especially if there was a fight the night before.
Cindy didn't mention a fight though, she said they had an emotional night watching the videos they took that day at the nursing home.

 

[ilovepete]

Can someone explain how it works in the states

If the procicution charges her with murder can the jury then say they don't think it was on purpose mut accident therefore manslaughter ? And convict her of that

Or

Do they have to come back with not guilty and she gets off?

Only to thve the jury say ..... If we were given another option we would have convicted her because we think she did it just not planned it premetaded

They can have different verdicts for each charge, she has quite a few charges in this case. I *think* 1st degree murder, manslaughter, child abuse, etc.

Yeah just found this on CNN...
Anthony is charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.

So they could say she is not guilty to murder and guilty to manslaughter, etc.

 

[Dee77]

I recorded a re-cap show show that aired yesterday on HLN and was watching Cindy's testimony this morning, is it just me or did it look like Baez and the woman with the reddish, blonde curly hair both stood up and surrounded Casey at the exact moment that her mother walked by? Also who is that woman???

 

[klj27]

This thread has influenced my dreams for a third time!! In this one, Baez had to take the witness stand for some reason. He got mad, threw a temper tantrum, stood up and whined. He started to walk away and the baliffs took him down. He calmed down and the judge fined him $750. He got upset and defiant all over again and I remember him being punnished again but not what the punnishment was. Crazy dreams!

 

[leight]

I am probably going to take the chance of angering people here- but I believe that Casey was abused by her dad. Her mom may be very sympathetic on the stand because her love for her family and especially Caylee is obvious. But we saw many times where she seemed like a control freak over the past 3 years. I've worked with the mentally ill and I've seen families like this. Seem wonderful on the outside but inside the home secrets prevail.

The dad was a detective where he had a gun and lots of power. But as some of you have mentioned- he seems henpecked at home. I have seen men who have power in their career but not in their marriage look for a substitution-a mistress or perhaps his daughter. It would not be very unusual for an abused child to find her own world and get so used to convincing herself that that fantasy is her reality and weaving stories becomes second nature. She would excel at it. And probably believe herself the victim of most things. She does display this in the court room and throughout her life. She didn't tell her parents she was pregnant until she couldn't really hide it anymore at 7 months. So she is used to telling lies to avoid confrontations. This plays into an accidental death. I think the jury will want to have a reason to explain how this girl was able to act so nonchalant after her baby died. How she was able to continue to build lie upon lie after they were proven false and stick to her stories throughout the past 3 yrs. Its human nature to want to explain the heinous actions of another.

I'm not sure where I heard it-was it her friend on the stand or something I read about what Casey wrote in her diary online- but I seem to recall that she said that Cindy acted more like Caylee's mom than grandmom. I'm sure that Casey used this to her advantage when it came to getting out of parenting when she wanted to- but it annoyed her when it came to public perception because it put her out of center stage. She resented Cindy on so many levels. I think it very weird that Lee kept saying CMA, CMA at the memorial service. I hope they can find home videos that show him calling Caylee CMA to give it credence. I don't like the bounty hunter, but find his story of George lying very interesting. Cindy mentioned that she often slept with Caylee-sometimes with Casey too- so where did George sleep? Did they have separate rooms? Sleep apart? If Cindy didn't see Caylee Monday morning and didn't peak in on her- did it happen like Lee told the bounty hunter?

I guess what I am saying is that this is a family of liars and there's lots to hide. I think that Casey probably killed her daughter by accident and that if the defense can build in those questions of lies told by Cindy, George and Lee then there's reasonable doubt- of 1st degree murder. I think she will be found guilty of manslaughter & child abuse. I completely agree that Casey is a sociopath but I still find it hard to believe that she premeditated her daughter's murder. Accidentally over dosed or suffocated her or in a fit of rage- shook her too hard because she was pissed at Cindy, yes. But I think the biggest hurdle that the defense team has to overcome was the ridiculous accusation that George would demand that Casey coverup Caylee's accidental death. They have to put Casey on the stand to paint that picture and tho she may believe her own story, not many rational people will believe that a former detective would postpone telling his wife that their beloved granddaughter died to put the blame on his own daughter. Because of course the truth of her death/ disappearance would eventually come to light. Casey's history of avoidance would explain that but nothing in George's actions after the disappearance would explain this. He dilligently followed leads to find Zany and Caylee and I believe that lied to protect his daughter but wasn't involved.

Course this is just my speculation and my interpretations. I think Casey needs to spend the rest of her life in jail to protect society from her lies but I just find it hard to believe the jury will send her to death without more evidence of premeditation. I don't believe that the google searches are sufficient-especially because they found no evidence that Caylee's neck was broken.

 

[EMom]

Course this is just my speculation and my interpretations. I think Casey needs to spend the rest of her life in jail to protect society from her lies but I just find it hard to believe the jury will send her to death without more evidence of premeditation. I don't believe that the google searches are sufficient-especially because they found no evidence that Caylee's neck was broken.

Finding evidence of how that poor child died was, of course, next to impossible, since she was literally a bag of bones.......and with roots and plants growing throughout her remains as well. Hide a body long enough and/or well enough, come up with any story you can invent and it can be dang hard for the prosecution to disprove your wild fantasy story.

My favorite is when a guy named Durst (Robert Durst, I believe) killed a neighbor in Galveston, chopped up his body, disposed of it in the bay in lots of bags, and when bits of it floated back to shore, claimed he had killed the guy in self-defense. (I guess he chopped him up in self defense too. ) Hard to believe you could sell that to a jury, but he was a multimillionaire and hired the best attorney and lo and behold.........they bought it. The dead guy's chopped up body could provide no evidence that he hadn't started the fight.

BTW, I have swamp land for sale, if anyone is interested.

 

[leight]

Finding evidence of how that poor child died was, of course, next to impossible, since she was literally a bag of bones.......and with roots and plants growing throughout her remains as well. Hide a body long enough and/or well enough, come up with any story you can invent and it can be dang hard for the prosecution to disprove your wild fantasy story.

Well, the autopsy showed no signs of trauma-so no broken neck. The bones that were not found were wrist, ankles and I think a knee cap- so regardless of plants growing I would think that a forensic anthropologist would be able to determine if there were premortem signs of trauma to the skeleton. But this is why I think that she will not get 1st degree murder. If the chemical analysis from the car shows that she suffocated-and there are indications of this- then that can be accidental death. There are just so many weird things from so many involved that I think Casey will not get the death penalty. I find it hard to believe that a jury will give the death penalty to a mother without a confession or direct witnesses- and no real definable cause of death. But this is so early on in the trial- no experts have been brought into play yet that it is all speculation. I may change my tune after I hear forensics.

 

[Dee77]

I think it is a big stretch to think that George molested Casey just because he was hen pecked at home and had a powerful job. I would think that if anything he would have taken advantage of his status as an officer with someone outside of his family.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

This thread has influenced my dreams for a third time!! In this one, Baez had to take the witness stand for some reason. He got mad, threw a temper tantrum, stood up and whined. He started to walk away and the baliffs took him down. He calmed down and the judge fined him $750. He got upset and defiant all over again and I remember him being punnished again but not what the punnishment was. Crazy dreams!

There are some facts in there...I bolded them.

Finding evidence of how that poor child died was, of course, next to impossible, since she was literally a bag of bones.......and with roots and plants growing throughout her remains as well. Hide a body long enough and/or well enough, come up with any story you can invent and it can be dang hard for the prosecution to disprove your wild fantasy story.

My favorite is when a guy named Durst (Robert Durst, I believe) killed a neighbor in Galveston, chopped up his body, disposed of it in the bay in lots of bags, and when bits of it floated back to shore, claimed he had killed the guy in self-defense. (I guess he chopped him up in self defense too. ) Hard to believe you could sell that to a jury, but he was a multimillionaire and hired the best attorney and lo and behold.........they bought it. The dead guy's chopped up body could provide no evidence that he hadn't started the fight.

BTW, I have swamp land for sale, if anyone is interested.

to the bolded.

That Durst case was unbelievable. Cases like that really make you wonder about juries.

As far as the molestation charges. Sexual abuse is heinous. So is falsely accusing someone of it. Unless George comes out and admits he did it, or Casey comes and and says she lied (and we know THAT ain't happening), then we will NEVER know. Ever.

A couple of things...one, IMHO, the prosecution case makes more sense. Too much that the defense is throwing out there that makes no sense. Baez is constantly contradicting himself...as law enforcement, George should know to report the smell of a dead body in the car, yet George wouldn't know that an ACCIDENTAL DROWNING IN FLORIDA should be reported and most likely not face criminal prosecution?

And Baez keeps angrily hammering into witnesses with the most ridiculous things! I've been listening to yesterday's testimony (I love sidebars when I'm trying to catch up...I can FF through them) and Baez made a HUGE deal and ACCUSATIONS about the fact that the notice from the towing co was unseen on their front door. Their front door is in an indented area, and they don't use it. WE don't use our front door...ever...except to get the Christmas tree in and out. There was more than one occasion where DH went out and bought a wreath, hung it on the front door, and I didn't notice for days. And the front of my house is flat, not indented. When I'm pulling in my driveway, like I've done thousands of times, I'm not focusing on the front door. *I* didn't notice a wreath...but OMG, George didn't see a notice stuck in the screen door.

And about George asking the tow guy to walk to the back of the car with him. A couple of times, while my mother was in Assisted Living (passed away last Fall), I'd gotten phone calls from my sister in NY saying she couldn't reach mom at a time when she was sure my mother would be in her room. So I got in the car and drove over there, anxious all the way of what I'd find. One time, I ran into a staff member and told her why I was there, and she offered to come with me into the room, and I gratefully accepted. *I* was afraid of what I'd find! What we found was my mother with a dead battery in her phone.

I don't think George was being truly honest with himself back then...he started to think something was wrong, but that's a tough thing to face. Tough to let himself "go there." Maybe he wasn't thinking it was Casey or Caylee...he didn't know where that car had been, in whose possession. I think he just wanted to find Casey and Caylee, and take it from there. And maybe he did think that Casey was involved in something, or someone she knew was, with her car, and that he wanted to get to her, be there for her if the police needed to be called. But I don't think he ever truly thought Casey killed Caylee.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

OMG, it was hilarious (as I read further upthread) hearing Judge Perry read the text messages.

And I love Judge Perry, but I'm very sensitive about having my name mispronounced, so I cringe when he says Mr Lazar-e-o. The guy's name is Lazaro, not Lazar-e-o. Makes me chuckle every time.

 

[Teresa Pitman]

I also thought the thing about not seeing the notice at the front door was ridiculous. I shipped a book to a friend of mine a year or so ago, and she didn't receive it. I followed up with the courier company, and they assured me they'd delivered it. Finally she went to her front door - and there it was. She always uses a side door, and she hadn't noticed a package (it was a largish book) that was sitting in front of the front door for a week, despite the fact that she was actually looking out for and expecting to get this book. Like the Anthonys, she got her mail at a "super mailbox" so never had any reason to check the front door, and just didn't notice it when she was driving up to the house.

Teresa

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I don't know why but I have always felt that the Dad helped her or was the one who killed that little girl. The mother seems deranged and like she is covering something up. I watched a Dateline where they were investigating if she would ever have a fair trial. One of her exs said how her mother and father ALWAYS fixed whatever drama she got herself into. Can't help to think this is just another one of those times.

 

[ilovepete]

If they were not involved, or even if they were (if it was an accident), I am sure this is very hard for them. I'm sure they don't want their daughter sentenced to death no matter what she did, but I'd have to imagine they want some sort of justice for Caylee if there was no accident. Maybe not, but it seems like they aren't being too sympathetic towards Casey at the moment, either, given her recent story. Still, I'm still sure they don't want her getting the death penalty!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

If they were not involved, or even if they were (if it was an accident), I am sure this is very hard for them. I'm sure they don't want their daughter sentenced to death no matter what she did, but I'd have to imagine they want some sort of justice for Caylee if there was no accident. Maybe not, but it seems like they aren't being too sympathetic towards Casey at the moment, either, given her recent story. Still, I'm still sure they don't want her getting the death penalty!

I don't see it that way. I think they're just telling the truth as they know it (ie, why they did things the way they did...were basically in denial because they didn't want to "go there" that there could be anything this terrible going on). I think at this point, they're telling the truth, and letting the chips fall where they may. I think that's what everyone is doing.

 

[ilovepete]

I don't see it that way. I think they're just telling the truth as they know it (ie, why they did things the way they did...were basically in denial because they didn't want to "go there" that there could be anything this terrible going on). I think at this point, they're telling the truth, and letting the chips fall where they may. I think that's what everyone is doing.

Oh I think they are telling the truth, too. I just mean it must be really hard for them either way this goes in the end.

 

[ols386]

Oh I think they are telling the truth, too. I just mean it must be really hard for them either way this goes in the end.

I agree. I can't even imagine if one of my kids was on trial charged with killing their child. Don't know how they have coped with it for 3 years. Must be horrible.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Oh I think they are telling the truth, too. I just mean it must be really hard for them either way this goes in the end.

This is definitely a no win situation for them. I think they hope she's not convicted, but honestly, what do they do with her then??

If she's convicted of manslaughter, anyone know how much time she could get? Not enough, I'm sure, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LisaR]

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I don't think George was being truly honest with himself back then...he started to think something was wrong, but that's a tough thing to face. Tough to let himself "go there." Maybe he wasn't thinking it was Casey or Caylee...he didn't know where that car had been, in whose possession. I think he just wanted to find Casey and Caylee, and take it from there. And maybe he did think that Casey was involved in something, or someone she knew was, with her car, and that he wanted to get to her, be there for her if the police needed to be called. But I don't think he ever truly thought Casey killed Caylee.

I agree. I find it hard to believe that a homicide detective couldn't put the pieces together in this one; especially when he smelled death in the car. I think he knew deep down but I just don't think he could bring himself to admit it.

Do we know why George is no longer a detective? Maybe he really sucked at his job!

I also thought the thing about not seeing the notice at the front door was ridiculous. I shipped a book to a friend of mine a year or so ago, and she didn't receive it. I followed up with the courier company, and they assured me they'd delivered it. Finally she went to her front door - and there it was. She always uses a side door, and she hadn't noticed a package (it was a largish book) that was sitting in front of the front door for a week, despite the fact that she was actually looking out for and expecting to get this book. Like the Anthonys, she got her mail at a "super mailbox" so never had any reason to check the front door, and just didn't notice it when she was driving up to the house.

Teresa

I agree. We use our garage door 99% of the time. I have to drive right past my front door but takes days for me to notice the yellow slip they hang up. From my sofa, I have a clear shot of my front door and I still don't see it. I find that story totally plausible.

 

[Mlissa88]

Oh I think they are telling the truth, too. I just mean it must be really hard for them either way this goes in the end.

I agree. I'm guessing they are beating themselves up inside and wondering where it all went wrong with their daughter and how they could possibly have raised someone who could do this.... and I believe she (Casey) did, in fact, do it. I just wish they could get past the daughter stuff and get justice for their grandchild. If they couldn't save her in life, perhaps they can at least get justice for her in death....