Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[Aisling]

I also looked on whitepages.com, and those names match up.
Gonzalez is very common. Zenaida, I don't know.

Did she ever use the whole name before July 15? Or was it always just Zenaida? Or was it just Zani??? Did Gonzalez come into it before the 15th? Because I hate to sound like a sucker believing there's anything to it, because again, it SEEMS ridiculous, and yet... I could definitely see Casey coming up with the FULL name after the fact.

Zani's name, according to Casey, is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, right? There's Zenaida and Gonzalez right at the spot where Caylee was found, and also Fernandez! :

Casey “I’m not completely sure on the spelling” Owner of the property Fredesvind Gonzales. Could sound much like Fernandez.

If this is a coincidence, holy crap. If it isn't, omg Casey is really truly a psychopath in the medical sense as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Seahunt]

I just remembered that George said he once found Casey's resume and in 2006 she said she was a NANNY - isn't that strange?

In a videotaped interview with FBI agents obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, George Anthony said he and his wife had problems making their house payments because his daughter forged a deposit slip from her mother's account for $4,400 check.
Casey Anthony, 22, is jailed on first-degree murder charges in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, who was last seen in mid-June.
Investigators on Friday released five DVDs of interviews conducted by authorities with Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony.
In the interview, George Anthony also said that his daughter listed "nanny" as one of her jobs on a resume.
"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18040317/detail.html

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Zani's name, according to Casey, is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, right? There's Zenaida and Gonzalez right at the spot where Caylee was found, and also Fernandez! :

Casey “I’m not completely sure on the spelling” Owner of the property Fredesvind Gonzales. Could sound much like Fernandez.

If this is a coincidence, holy crap. If it isn't, omg Casey is really truly a psychopath in the medical sense as far as I'm concerned.

I kind of feel like a pre-teen at a slumber party telling spooky stories but with the wacky twist and turns of this case, why NOT this?! That Fredesvind is interesting too. Hhmmm...

Found this: http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

In the jailhouse visit on July 28, Lee Anthony encouraged Casey to share important information in letters directly to the family or even directly to law enforcement without going through her attorney, Jose Baez."I don't have anything against him, but I want you to realize, if you try to reach out, he might not be giving us this information," Lee said. "The truth is, the most important thing for him, his first focus, is himself."Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney."And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm lik, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.Lee pressed Casey about which of her friends he could trust. Ironically, she mentioned Amy Huizenga, the former friend Casey's accused of stealing from."She's one of the most genuine people," Casey said.When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know."Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

 

[Seahunt]

Richard Grund who was the father of Jesse (Casey's ex fiance) said this about Casey looking pregnant:

(Nancy Grace's 9/22/08 show)

First time I met Casey was summer of `05. I want to say June. She helped my younger son get a job at Kodak. I spotted right then and there she was pregnant, but she was telling everybody she had female problems and she wasn`t pregnant." - "Well, about a month later, he gets a phone call from her [Casey] and she says, I need to talk to you. But Jesse is in the middle of a seminar for a new job. He says, I can`t talk to you right now, send me a text message. And so while he`s sitting there in the middle of this seminar, he gets a text message says, I`m pregnant and you`re the father. That`s it."

So that's interesting that she was telling other people who thought she was pg that she had "female problems". She finally went to the doctor in July. And of course Jesse had the paternity test later and he was NOT the father, she was lying.

 

[horseshowmom]

I kind of feel like a pre-teen at a slumber party telling spooky stories but with the wacky twist and turns of this case, why NOT this?! That Fredesvind is interesting too. Hhmmm...

Found this: http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

In the jailhouse visit on July 28, Lee Anthony encouraged Casey to share important information in letters directly to the family or even directly to law enforcement without going through her attorney, Jose Baez."I don't have anything against him, but I want you to realize, if you try to reach out, he might not be giving us this information," Lee said. "The truth is, the most important thing for him, his first focus, is himself."Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney."And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm lik, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.Lee pressed Casey about which of her friends he could trust. Ironically, she mentioned Amy Huizenga, the former friend Casey's accused of stealing from."She's one of the most genuine people," Casey said.When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know."Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

I wonder what she thinks about her jailhouse friends' advice now...

She tells Lee that the nanny has Caylee but that they should be looking in places that are familiar to their family - like the nanny would know where that would be. I think if I were Lee I would have questioned that at the time.

I agree about the spooky coincidences.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I just remembered that George said he once found Casey's resume and in 2006 she said she was a NANNY - isn't that strange?

So that's interesting that she was telling other people who thought she was pg that she had "female problems". She finally went to the doctor in July. And of course Jesse had the paternity test later and he was NOT the father, she was lying.

Lying? NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

That girl needs to be studied. How do you study a liar tho?

 

[Seahunt]

I notice my posts get stranger the later it gets

Just in case anyone has forgotten this tidbit, a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez DID look at an apartment at Sawgrass on June 17th

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee, 2, allegedly told police that she left her daughter with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at Orange County's Sawgrass Apartments in June.
Thursday, Local 6 talked with the only Zenaida Gonzalez confirmed to have been associated with the Sawgrass Apartments.
Gonzalez said she went to the apartments on June 17 to inquire about renting an apartment and filled out a guest card and gave information.
The woman said she has repeatedly talked with detectives about the case and said she has never seen nor met Casey Anthony or Caylee.
Gonzalez said she has no idea how she was dragged into this whole situation, Local 6's Louis Bolden reported..

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html

(This Zenaida Gonzalez currently has a civil suit pending against Casey for defamation - that trial is expected to start in August)
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...rs-Zenaida-Gonzalez-civil-suit-waits-in-wings

 

[horseshowmom]

I notice my posts get stranger the later it gets

Just in case anyone has forgotten this tidbit, a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez DID look at an apartment at Sawgrass on June 17th

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee, 2, allegedly told police that she left her daughter with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at Orange County's Sawgrass Apartments in June.
Thursday, Local 6 talked with the only Zenaida Gonzalez confirmed to have been associated with the Sawgrass Apartments.
Gonzalez said she went to the apartments on June 17 to inquire about renting an apartment and filled out a guest card and gave information.
The woman said she has repeatedly talked with detectives about the case and said she has never seen nor met Casey Anthony or Caylee.
Gonzalez said she has no idea how she was dragged into this whole situation, Local 6's Louis Bolden reported..

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html

(This Zenaida Gonzalez currently has a civil suit pending against Casey for defamation - that trial is expected to start in August)
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...rs-Zenaida-Gonzalez-civil-suit-waits-in-wings

I "think" they said that Casey had been there too (maybe looking at an apartment with someone - I can't remember that part for sure) and more than likely saw the guest card that ZFG completed and added that name to her list. Now I almost wonder whether she knew the people who lived in those houses (that bordered where Caylee was found) and made a connection with this name. But, OTOH, I have to wonder whether she had disposed of poor little Caylee's body that quickly because I don't think the odor would have developed that quickly.

 

[Dee77]

That is CRAZY about the Zenaida, Gonzalez, etc property owners next to the area where Caylee was found, I guess this disproves the defense strategy that Casey is a pathological liar, it's obvious now that she can tell the truth sometimes even if it's only in cryptic messages.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I notice my posts get stranger the later it gets

Just in case anyone has forgotten this tidbit, a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez DID look at an apartment at Sawgrass on June 17th

Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee, 2, allegedly told police that she left her daughter with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at Orange County's Sawgrass Apartments in June.
Thursday, Local 6 talked with the only Zenaida Gonzalez confirmed to have been associated with the Sawgrass Apartments.
Gonzalez said she went to the apartments on June 17 to inquire about renting an apartment and filled out a guest card and gave information.
The woman said she has repeatedly talked with detectives about the case and said she has never seen nor met Casey Anthony or Caylee.
Gonzalez said she has no idea how she was dragged into this whole situation, Local 6's Louis Bolden reported..

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html

(This Zenaida Gonzalez currently has a civil suit pending against Casey for defamation - that trial is expected to start in August)
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...rs-Zenaida-Gonzalez-civil-suit-waits-in-wings

I was wondering what ever became of that issue. I did not know there was a trial in august for this issue. Yes I remember her application for the apartment.

 

[EMom]

That is CRAZY about the Zenaida, Gonzalez, etc property owners next to the area where Caylee was found, I guess this disproves the defense strategy that Casey is a pathological liar, it's obvious now that she can tell the truth sometimes even if it's only in cryptic messages.

As for Judge Perry and his interesting dialect and pronunciation, I have been wondering if "did you heed my previous adminissions" is an actual legal phrase, anyone???

Admonition---When he instructs them, warns them, tells them NOT to do something such as talk about, read about, speculate about the case. Lately, while they are outside the courtroom while motions are being decided.

Example: He doesn't want them chatting and speculating about what Dick Tracy Orlando might mean when it may not even be admitted. They need to ignore it until it is admitted.

 

[Dee77]

Admonition---When he instructs them, warns them, tells them NOT to do something such as talk about, read about, speculate about the case. Lately, while they are outside the courtroom while motions are being decided.

Example: He doesn't want them chatting and speculating about what Dick Tracy Orlando might mean when it may not even be admitted. They need to ignore it until it is admitted.

I actually just took my reference to this question out of my post because my DH just read it over my shoulder and said the word to me in a plain old NY accent so I looked it up and found exactly what Judge Perry is talking about. I always knew what he meant but talk about embarrassing that I didn't figure it out myself when Judge Perry has said it so many times already. THANKS!!

 

[usnuzuloose]

Admonition---When he instructs them, warns them, tells them NOT to do something such as talk about, read about, speculate about the case. Lately, while they are outside the courtroom while motions are being decided.

Example: He doesn't want them chatting and speculating about what Dick Tracy Orlando might mean when it may not even be admitted. They need to ignore it until it is admitted.

Its funny what some of us hear.

 

[EMom]

Richard Grund who was the father of Jesse (Casey's ex fiance) said this about Casey looking pregnant:

(Nancy Grace's 9/22/08 show)

First time I met Casey was summer of `05. I want to say June. She helped my younger son get a job at Kodak. I spotted right then and there she was pregnant, but she was telling everybody she had female problems and she wasn`t pregnant." - "Well, about a month later, he gets a phone call from her [Casey] and she says, I need to talk to you. But Jesse is in the middle of a seminar for a new job. He says, I can`t talk to you right now, send me a text message. And so while he`s sitting there in the middle of this seminar, he gets a text message says, I`m pregnant and you`re the father. That`s it."

So that's interesting that she was telling other people who thought she was pg that she had "female problems". She finally went to the doctor in July. And of course Jesse had the paternity test later and he was NOT the father, she was lying.

Richard Grund cracks me up. He tells you how the cow ate the cabbage. Basically, Casey kept saying she had female problems and poor naive Jesse bought it. Daddy Richard said something to the effect of, "Son, I've been around a lot of women and that one is pregnant for sure." Daddy kept telling Jesse she was pregnant and not just bloated. Daddy was worried because his son was being duped.

Finally, Casey fessed up to being pregnant and pinned it on Jesse. Jesse was set to marry her and "do the right thing." But sadly for her, Daddy could do simple math and told Jesse that it was impossible for him to be the father. Daddy kept driving the point home and eventually said to NOT put his name on the birth certificate until a paternity test was done. If it turned out he indeed was the father, he'd eat his words. (Daddy knew he would never have to eat his words.) So Jesse finally listened to Daddy's pleading and at the hospital, asked for a DNA test. Casey pitched a FIT.

Of course, the test showed he was not the father. Daddy Richard said Jesse stuck by Casey nonetheless and fell in love with Caylee, as did Daddy Richard and his wife. So they shut up about it all since it appeared Casey and Caylee were there to stay and everyone adored Caylee. Of course, as always, Casey didn't stick with one guy for good so that marriage never took place.

 

[joviroxx]

We had 2 pass through our town. 4 dead in state...hoping no more. 19 towns with damage. On the ground from Springfield to Oxford. FAR!

They are thinking there were 3-5 on the ground. They'll know more in next couple days.

No damage here. Tree in backyard struck my lightning. It set off building alarms so we had to be outside for 45 minutes....while another storm rolled in. Fire Dept from other towns had to respond. Ours too busy.

Then I finally got back into the house.....I had a live mouse in the kitchen. ROFL. I think the cats heading to the basement sent the mouse upstairs. So...then I had to get neighbor over to help corner & catch the mouse.

Then another storm rolled in.

All from like 5pm to 9:30pm. I'm beat.

Some towns with A LOT of damage. Trailer truck & cars rolled over. Houses collapsed. Honestly amazing damage for MA. Looks like Oklahoma. We don't get this here!
Turn on NECN. They are still covering. Lots more pics as daylight comes tomorrow.

Wow! Glad you are safe! Im used to hurricanes, but at least we have preparation time.

Did she have hair extensions in today or has her hair / pony tail really grown that long? I hadn't noticed it THAT long the past days.

Always that long!

My husband hasn't been following the trial very closely so I was giving him the recap tonight. When I got done, he wanted to sum it up to make sure he understood everything.

This is what he said:
Casey had imaginary friends and an imaginary nanny. For months, she concocted a story that the imaginary nanny kidnapped Caylee. It all turned out to be a lie. Caylee actually drowned in the pool and Casey and George ran around duct taping everything to cover up the drowning. Casey lied about the nanny because her dad sexually abused her and Cindy is to blame because Casey started her period at 10 and her mom didn't take her to a gynecologist.

Ok, that made me LMAO!

If that's just a coincidence, that's freaky.

I don't know or have much connection with many Hispanics, but are the names Gonzalez and Zeinada really common? Or pretty unique?

If unique, that's just too much of a coincidence. She didn't just pull that name out of a hat if she rapidly hid a dead baby. That sounds planned & thought out.

Very freaky. Gonzalez and Fernandes are VERY common names. Zenaida, well, its not Mary or Jane but it isn't uncommon. Its more an older name, not so much a modern name.

Casey lie's were usually developed around some bit or truth. Who knows. But I do believe Lee knows more than he is saying.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Gonzalez said she went to the apartments on June 17 to inquire about renting an apartment and filled out a guest card and gave information.

I didn't realize the timing of the guest card. Interesting. Is she testifying in this case? If there's a witness list anywhere, I'll post a link.

I "think" they said that Casey had been there too (maybe looking at an apartment with someone - I can't remember that part for sure) and more than likely saw the guest card that ZFG completed and added that name to her list. Now I almost wonder whether she knew the people who lived in those houses (that bordered where Caylee was found) and made a connection with this name. But, OTOH, I have to wonder whether she had disposed of poor little Caylee's body that quickly because I don't think the odor would have developed that quickly.

I think Casey is so twisted, it doesn't matter when things happen...she can pull a lot out of her ptootie at the drop of a hat, based on something she heard who knows when; she's probably got a massive memory. I'm assuming she never used "Gonzalez" before Caylee's death. And maybe not Zenaida (?) if she HAD ever drugged her and referred to Xanax as Zani?

Richard Grund cracks me up. He tells you how the cow ate the cabbage. Basically, Casey kept saying she had female problems and poor naive Jesse bought it. Daddy Richard said something to the effect of, "Son, I've been around a lot of women and that one is pregnant for sure." Daddy kept telling Jesse she was pregnant and not just bloated. Daddy was worried because his son was being duped.

Finally, Casey fessed up to being pregnant and pinned it on Jesse. Jesse was set to marry her and "do the right thing." But sadly for her, Daddy could do simple math and told Jesse that it was impossible for him to be the father. Daddy kept driving the point home and eventually said to NOT put his name on the birth certificate until a paternity test was done. If it turned out he indeed was the father, he'd eat his words. (Daddy knew he would never have to eat his words.) So Jesse finally listened to Daddy's pleading and at the hospital, asked for a DNA test. Casey pitched a FIT.

Of course, the test showed he was not the father. Daddy Richard said Jesse stuck by Casey nonetheless and fell in love with Caylee, as did Daddy Richard and his wife. So they shut up about it all since it appeared Casey and Caylee were there to stay and everyone adored Caylee. Of course, as always, Casey didn't stick with one guy for good so that marriage never took place.

Talk about dodging a bullet.

Boy, do I need coffee. I just did a preview of this post and found some pretty amusing typos. I went out late last night and got my Coffee-Mate Sugar-Free French Vanilla...I'm ready for today!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I keep thinking about the neighbors who live near where Caylee was found...the Zenaida and the Gonzalez. I wonder how much of those records could be "created".

 

[ohiomom28]

If that's just a coincidence, that's freaky.

I don't know or have much connection with many Hispanics, but are the names Gonzalez and Zeinada really common? Or pretty unique?

If unique, that's just too much of a coincidence. She didn't just pull that name out of a hat if she rapidly hid a dead baby. That sounds planned & thought out.

The real "Zenaida Gonzales" has a civil suit filed against Casey for defamation. She thinks Casey got her info from a card she filled out ay Sawgrass Apts. because she had her car make and model, kids names and phone #'s. All of that info is on the card she filled out. Zenaida said it has ruined her life.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Coffee in hand, all sorts of thoughts are coming...

WHY would Roy Kronk move the body? If he found the body, why would he not have OFFICIALLY found it the first time he found it? Maybe that's where Lee Anthony comes in...he somehow became aware of Roy Kronk and they made a deal. I think the time had come to find the body, because without the body, Casey was just going to be held responsible; with a body, she could blame someone else.

Anything going on in court now? Not getting a live feed.

 

[ohiomom28]

I didn't realize the timing of the guest card. Interesting. Is she testifying in this case? If there's a witness list anywhere, I'll post a link.I think Casey is so twisted, it doesn't matter when things happen...she can pull a lot out of her ptootie at the drop of a hat, based on something she heard who knows when; she's probably got a massive memory. I'm assuming she never used "Gonzalez" before Caylee's death. And maybe not Zenaida (?) if she HAD ever drugged her and referred to Xanax as Zani? Talk about dodging a bullet.

Boy, do I need coffee. I just did a preview of this post and found some pretty amusing typos. I went out late last night and got my Coffee-Mate Sugar-Free French Vanilla...I'm ready for today!

I just looked, Zenaida is listed as a witness. Can't miss that date!