Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[usnuzuloose]

How many jurors are saying they are sick to their stomach about how they voted? Do they wish now they would have voted differently?

 

[hambirg]

Yes. Casey drove friends to dinner in her car after Caylee went missing. Two of them even sat in the back seat. They smelled nothing.

If a dead body had touched anything, the cadaver dogs would have been capable of picking up on it.

None of your answers work for me, but thanks for replying.

Can you point me to what day and what friends it was? I just went over an extensive time line(including pings) and couldn't find it. . .not saying you're wrong at all. . .just couldn't find it. TIA

 

[dandave]

Can you point me to what day and what friends it was? I just went over an extensive time line(including pings) and couldn't find it. . .not saying you're wrong at all. . .just couldn't find it. TIA

I haven't looked at a timeline. I remember it from the trial.
The girl who testified to this was Maria Kissh. In any case, Casey drove Maria, Clint, and Tony out to get something to eat in her car, after Caylee went missing, and no one smelled anything.

Leading up to this portion of testimony, Kissh talks about Cayce living at Tony's apartment after she had left the Anthony home.

Watch the whole video to get the time line, but Kissh specifically talks about riding in the car with no odor (after Cayce had moved in with Tony) at around 32:00. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/052511-maria-kissh

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Yes. Casey drove friends to dinner in her car after Caylee went missing. Two of them even sat in the back seat. They smelled nothing.

If a dead body had touched anything, the cadaver dogs would have been capable of picking up on it.

None of your answers work for me, but thanks for replying.

There is so much to sort through - do you have a link to a video or transcript of this testimony? Or even the name of the witness that testified to going to dinner in the car?

Thanks!

 

[dandave]

There is so much to sort through - do you have a link to a video or transcript of this testimony? Or even the name of the witness that testified to going to dinner in the car?

Thanks!

I posted the link above. It's here, though:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/052511-maria-kissh

 

[happygirl]

I guess Caylee walked into the woods, wrapped duct tape around her own head, chloroformed herself, and then broke her own neck. People of Florida should be ashamed.

WE can't blame the people of Flordia, just the jury

 

[Samba]

The THs are saying people should not be hard on the jury. I know there must be some wisdom there, but I am having a hard time getting with that!

 

[hambirg]

I haven't looked at a timeline. I remember it from the trial.
The girl who testified to this was Maria Kissh. In any case, Casey drove Maria, Clint, and Tony out to get something to eat in her car, after Caylee went missing, and no one smelled anything.

Leading up to this portion of testimony, Kissh talks about Cayce living at Tony's apartment after she had left the Anthony home.

Watch the whole video to get the time line, but Kissh specifically talks about riding in the car with no odor (after Cayce had moved in with Tony) at around 32:00. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/052511-maria-kissh

Ok. . Maria doesn't remember the day. According to Casey's cell phone records it is most likely 6/18 because she receives a call from Maria (the only one on her cell phone records from her) at 4:27 pm and then Casey's cell is inactive for 2hrs and 12 mins.

Soooooo. . .6/16 is the last day Caylee was seen alive. At 7:58 pm TL and KC go to Blockbuster and rent a movie. . .no Caylee.

On 6/17 Casey visits a friend, Christopher Stutz driving TL's jeep. Says her car is broke down.

This is also the day the neighbor says he saw her car parked backwards in the garage. Her pings show her in the area of the Anthony's home and Colonial drive between 4:05 and 5:23pm. No cell activity for 6 hours and 18 minutes.

6/18 Day she borrows the shovel. Is in that area again til about 4:20pm.

Ok this is getting long and she seems to go back and forth between TL's apartment and the Anthony home. She finally ditches the car on 6/27. But had started to complain about a bad smell to friends on 6/25.

Anywhoo. . .the moral is we don't know when she actually dumped the body. . .it is possible that it didn't start smelling till later due to decomp in the carpet fibers. But it is most likely that Maria was in the car on 6/18. . .only 2 days after Caylee went missing.

 

[ChristmasElf]

WE can't blame the people of Flordia, just the jury

No, we here are just outraged. The jury must have all been distracted as they certainly were not paying attention.

How the jury couldn't at the very least find Casey guilty of aggravated child abuse is a wonder. She failed to notify anyone that her 2 yr old child had been missing for 31 days, how does that equal not guilty?

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I don't think they understood reasonable doubt, their instructions or options.

I didn't mean to be unkind to the jury but, somehow I get the idea that piblic education is failing us or pesticides are affecting our brains, or something.... When I heard the instructions read I thought "uhoh".

That a jury person is having buyers remorse only makes me more upset. great
Quit my career in Nursing after several decades because increasingly I found myself surrounded by people like Juror #3. It is not my profession as I once knew it. Outta there!!

Now back to my show about modern physics, the nature of consciousness, etc. Fascinating stuff!

Must we ALWAYS blame PUBLIC education for EVERYTHING? We don't know if any of these donkeys went to private school.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Casey chose not to terminate her pregnancy. She ALONE chose to carry to term. So there is no outrage for THIS specific occurance as Casey did not intend to not deliver her baby.

There is speculation on the adoption issue, but what you stated has nothing to do with that and serves inappropriately to shame others for something Casey did not seek to do in the first place. We don't even know what her opinion on the uterus is, do we?

I think it was Cindy who forced Casey not to get rid of the baby before it was born. I really do not think Casey would have balked at it at all. I mean being pregnant might have ruined her "hot body".

 

[chobie]

Therefore she should have been convicted of at least aggravated child abuse.

Here is the jury instruction for ag child abuse in Florida. How does not her not reporting her missing fall under this?

16.1 AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(2), Fla.Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Child Abuse, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. (Defendant)

Give as applicable.
a. committed aggravated battery upon (victim).

b. willfully tortured (victim).

c. maliciously punished (victim).

d. willfully and unlawfully caged (victim).

e. knowingly or willfully committed child abuse upon (victim) and in so doing caused great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement.

2. (Victim) was under the age of 18 years.

Definitions. Give as applicable.
In order to prove that an aggravated battery was committed, the State must prove the following:

1. (Defendant) intentionally

Give as applicable.
a. touched or struck (victim) against the will of (victim).

b. caused bodily harm to (victim).

2. In so doing, (defendant) intentionally or knowingly caused [great bodily harm] [permanent disability] [permanent disfigurement] or [used a deadly weapon].


A weapon is a "deadly weapon" if it is used or threatened to be used in a way likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

"Willfully" means knowingly, intentionally, and purposely.

"Maliciously" means wrongfully, intentionally, and without legal justification or excuse. Maliciousness may be established by circumstances from which one could conclude that a reasonable parent would not have engaged in the damaging acts toward the child for any valid reason and that the primary purpose of the acts was to cause the victim unjustifiable pain or injury.

Give in all cases if 1(e) is alleged.
"Child Abuse" means [the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child] [an intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child] [active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child].

 

[PaulaSB12]

The THs are saying people should not be hard on the jury. I know there must be some wisdom there, but I am having a hard time getting with that!

They had a horrible job to do and they did it, the fact that the howling mob doesn't like their choice is meaningless that was the decision they made for good or ill. Going after them will just make it more hard to get any jury for the next high profile case if they know that if the mobs choice is not the one they agree with. Leave them to get on with their lives.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Here is the jury instruction for ag child abuse in Florida. How does not her not reporting her missing fall under this?

16.1 AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(2), Fla.Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Child Abuse, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. (Defendant)

Give as applicable.
a. committed aggravated battery upon (victim).

b. willfully tortured (victim).

c. maliciously punished (victim).

d. willfully and unlawfully caged (victim).

e. knowingly or willfully committed child abuse upon (victim) and in so doing caused great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement.

2. (Victim) was under the age of 18 years.

Definitions. Give as applicable.
In order to prove that an aggravated battery was committed, the State must prove the following:

1. (Defendant) intentionally

Give as applicable.
a. touched or struck (victim) against the will of (victim).

b. caused bodily harm to (victim).

2. In so doing, (defendant) intentionally or knowingly caused [great bodily harm] [permanent disability] [permanent disfigurement] or [used a deadly weapon].


A weapon is a "deadly weapon" if it is used or threatened to be used in a way likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

"Willfully" means knowingly, intentionally, and purposely.

"Maliciously" means wrongfully, intentionally, and without legal justification or excuse. Maliciousness may be established by circumstances from which one could conclude that a reasonable parent would not have engaged in the damaging acts toward the child for any valid reason and that the primary purpose of the acts was to cause the victim unjustifiable pain or injury.

Give in all cases if 1(e) is alleged.
"Child Abuse" means [the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child] [an intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child] [active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child].

Because, and I am sorry if this is not an opinion some people will agree with, but I don't think the jury did their job.

The deliberated for 10 hours with over 400 pieces of evidence. The judge said that the video and adio would be available to them at their request.

THEY DID NOT ASK TO SEE ANY EVIDENCE not in the jury room. They did not ask for clarification of any of the instructions. They probably did not read that statute posted above.

It disgusts me that they had their mind made up before they went into that jury room. Had the verdict been reversed, the defense would be screaming for a mistrial and would get it. What can the state do? NOTHING.

 

[chobie]

Because, and I am sorry if this is not an opinion some people will agree with, but I don't think the jury did their job.

The deliberated for 10 hours with over 400 pieces of evidence. The judge said that the video and adio would be available to them at their request.

THEY DID NOT ASK TO SEE ANY EVIDENCE not in the jury room. They did not ask for clarification of any of the instructions. They probably did not read that statute posted above.

It disgusts me that they had their mind made up before they went into that jury room. Had the verdict been reversed, the defense would be screaming for a mistrial and would get it. What can the state do? NOTHING.

That statute is part of the jury instructions which were read by the judge, as it is any case. They just don't send a jury back to deliberate without instructing them on the law.

People are making all sorts of assumptions about the case and the jury without being fully informed. It's one thing to watch a trial on tv, its another to be sworn in as a jury member to uphold the law and decide whether a defendant should live or die.

It's not American Idol where the tv audience gets to vote...

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Because, and I am sorry if this is not an opinion some people will agree with, but I don't think the jury did their job.

The deliberated for 10 hours with over 400 pieces of evidence. The judge said that the video and adio would be available to them at their request.

THEY DID NOT ASK TO SEE ANY EVIDENCE not in the jury room. They did not ask for clarification of any of the instructions. They probably did not read that statute posted above.

It disgusts me that they had their mind made up before they went into that jury room. Had the verdict been reversed, the defense would be screaming for a mistrial and would get it. What can the state do? NOTHING.

I agree with you. The fact they did not ask any questions or ask to see any evidence, tells me they made up their minds. Add to that the fact that they commentators repeatedly mentioned how they took sparse if any notes tells me this was not a jury who wanted to delve into or debate this case. I wonder if the fact that they were together for so long made it difficult for some of them to disagree with others almost a pack mentality. I wonder if there was a " follow the leader " almost instinct much as any other animals who run in packs
.NOTE: When I use the word ANIMAL I do not mean it as disrespect but rather in relation to animals living in a pack in nature.

 

[joviroxx]

I started multi-quoting but it was just too much.

You know a little girl died and it was at the hands of her mother. Most people will tell you, I know she did it or had something to do with it . Its a sad day when we allow a child to be treated this way and do nothing. yes, I said NOTHING.

The prosecution did the most amazing job with the evidence they had. Yes, there was plenty of evidence. For those who feel they didn't show motive but run on the "Prosecution didn't prove their case " legalities, let me remind you, there is no LEGAL requirement to show motive and juries are so instructed.

You had established experts testify as to cause of death, smells, trained dogs, Casey's actions, and on and on. BUT you chose to have doubt based on a known, proven liar. One the jury actually convicted! They said, we know you are liar and need to be punished but we will choose to doubt all the experts and established truths .... Is that reasonable?

For those who think that run on the "Prosecution didn't prove their case, there wasnt enough evidence" but claim they think George had something to do with it, You aren't following the legal instructions as 1) There is NO proof of that 2) In fact there IS proof DISPUTING that and 3) a baseless defense mentioned in opening statements CANNOT be used in deliberations AS PER JURY INSTRUCTIONS

Reasonable doubt is just that , REASON. Its not speculative, its not imaginary , its possible , its not without a shadow of and its not illogical. If we continue to try people this way , our system will NOT work. I find the fact that this jury couldn't or wouldn't even come back with an aggravated child abuse charge disgusting. Ive read their comments and as much as people accuse me and others of reacting with emotion, it seems this jury reacted with emotion. Juries are instructed to used common sense and make inferences. They did not.

Why do I think they used emotion? I understand that it is difficult to see a young woman in front of you and imagine that she could be so evil, I get it. But that emotion , IMO,ruled them. They saw George and didn't like him, didn't believe him (over a proof positive self declared liar), they let that emotion rule them.

The contradict themselves when they say there was no evidence to convict but then used defense excuses based on pure speculation with no factual evidence to base their doubt.

I and other might be showing some emotion now, but its not that emotion that led us to our belief that Casey was guilty and guilty as sin. At his point, Im more concerned about how future trials will evolve at this point than I am at the verdict in this case. That's over. But now we have precedents of these opening statements and jurors who don't get that they aren't supposed to be guided by them.

I have to go to work, sorry for the long post,

 

[chobie]

I agree with you. The fact they did not ask any questions or ask to see any evidence, tells me they made up their minds. Add to that the fact that they commentators repeatedly mentioned how they took sparse if any notes tells me this was not a jury who wanted to delve into or debate this case. I wonder if the fact that they were together for so long made it difficult for some of them to disagree with others almost a pack mentality. I wonder if there was a " follow the leader " almost instinct much as any other animals who run in packs
.NOTE: When I use the word ANIMAL I do not mean it as disrespect but rather in relation to animals living in a pack in nature.

That's how a trial works, once the State rests, the case is either proven or not. They may well have made up their minds once the State was done, that does not mean they did not do their duty.

 

[JaneBanks]

Yes. Casey drove friends to dinner in her car after Caylee went missing. Two of them even sat in the back seat. They smelled nothing.

If a dead body had touched anything, the cadaver dogs would have been capable of picking up on it.

None of your answers work for me, but thanks for replying.

She was using Tony's car, not her own.

 

[JaneBanks]

I think it was Cindy who forced Casey not to get rid of the baby before it was born. I really do not think Casey would have balked at it at all. I mean being pregnant might have ruined her "hot body".

I think Casey knew she was pregnant from day one. No way she would've kept it if she didn't want it. She probably didn't have the money for an abortion. I think she thought she was gonna be like the prom moms. Have the baby then dump it immediately. Cindy just snapped out of her stupor and recognized the pregnancy and Casey was screwed.