Carnival cancels some cruises through November 1. All San Francisco cruises

[MrsInsG]

I don't think we are delayed longer.
I think we are being realistic.

If there is ANY real circulating virus, bringing crowds back together (cruise ships, pride parade, festivals), the virus will come back.

I also think that states that are NOT shutting things down are going to make this drag on longer. Once the virus is introduced into certain areas and people are not isolating, it will spread. (And I am not a worrier germaphobe.)

I also am familiar enough with the drug development process (I work for big pharma), to know that phase 1, 2 and 3 clinic trials will NOT happen by the end of the summer. Literally, its not enough time to get safety data.

I agree with what you're saying, but disagree with what I believe is your takeaway; clear as mud, right?!?

There is no way to be 100% safe from this, and I think there is a large group of people with the prevailing opinion that we need to be at that 100% in order for things to return to normal. I don't see a way forward for that. I agree that developing a vaccine will take a long time, but I do hope some of the regular restrictions will be relaxed in order to move things forward a bit faster (I'm not suggesting not doing clinical trials, just maybe striking some of the red tape.) That said, we as a society have become very reliant on the idea of everything needing to be completely safe in order for us to engage, and that is not realistic.

I teach middle school language arts (English) in a lower-socioeconomic area. We, like everyone, are doing online learning; it is completely optional, and no new material may be taught due to inequity of access. I have students who are engaging me every single day and wanting work to do, book recommendations, writing projects, etc., but the majority of my kids are not engaging at all. I know every kid in my homeroom (the kiddos I am responsible for remaining in touch with on behalf of the school) has a smart phone with access, I have only received responses from about 60% of those kids, and these are kids who need to be in school and are already years behind their peers in reading and writing. We need to be sitting with those kids, face-to-face, and working. We cannot continue the distance learning until there is a 0% risk; we just can't. My own kids could never darken the halls of their schools again and they would likely be fine just getting lessons online and support from Mom and Dad and older sister(s), but that is not the case for so many kids.

My point here is that we need to get back to normal sooner rather than later. We have, or are in the process of, flatten(ed)(ing) the curve and we need to get back to society. The damage that is being done (while necessary for a bit) needs to be mitigated or we are going to have consequences that will far outlast this pandemic.

 

[Chemist]

I agree with what you're saying, but disagree with what I believe is your takeaway; clear as mud, right?!?

There is no way to be 100% safe from this, and I think there is a large group of people with the prevailing opinion that we need to be at that 100% in order for things to return to normal. I don't see a way forward for that. I agree that developing a vaccine will take a long time, but I do hope some of the regular restrictions will be relaxed in order to move things forward a bit faster (I'm not suggesting not doing clinical trials, just maybe striking some of the red tape.) That said, we as a society have become very reliant on the idea of everything needing to be completely safe in order for us to engage, and that is not realistic.

I teach middle school language arts (English) in a lower-socioeconomic area. We, like everyone, are doing online learning; it is completely optional, and no new material may be taught due to inequity of access. I have students who are engaging me every single day and wanting work to do, book recommendations, writing projects, etc., but the majority of my kids are not engaging at all. I know every kid in my homeroom (the kiddos I am responsible for remaining in touch with on behalf of the school) has a smart phone with access, I have only received responses from about 60% of those kids, and these are kids who need to be in school and are already years behind their peers in reading and writing. We need to be sitting with those kids, face-to-face, and working. We cannot continue the distance learning until there is a 0% risk; we just can't. My own kids could never darken the halls of their schools again and they would likely be fine just getting lessons online and support from Mom and Dad and older sister(s), but that is not the case for so many kids.

My point here is that we need to get back to normal sooner rather than later. We have, or are in the process of, flatten(ed)(ing) the curve and we need to get back to society. The damage that is being done (while necessary for a bit) needs to be mitigated or we are going to have consequences that will far outlast this pandemic.

We are in a very mixed area. My kids have friends who live in multimillion dollar homes and a friend who literally lives in a trailer behind the library.

as you can imagine, school results are very mixed. I completely agree that school HAS to get back to normal and I am distressed that our governor thinks we may not be able to.

that being said, I think cruise ships and Disneyland will come back to “normal” a lot later than schools.