Can't we all just get along?!?

[Tess'smom]

"You forgot about smoking your cigarette in a non-smoking area and stopping in the middle of your row when you were the first one entering the row, using a wheelchair when you don't need it, and try to take advantange of the handicapped access, all the while dragging your 5 year old who is only tall enough because you've stuffed their shoes on Splash Mountain, while she is screaming that she doesn't want to ride it, but insists that she'll like it once she's on it."


You also forgot to mention that you held a space in line for Everest and 8 teenagers line cut past everyone to catch up to you, (and it wasn't because they needed a potty break.) Don't forget that you plopped your kids on people's laps that have been patiently waiting for hours - five minutes before the parade started too.

 

[Jenvenza]

So, I am pretty new to these boards, but not to internet boards in general, and what I have found is that this happens on every board out there. On my pregnancy boards it was trying to induce before your due date, or taking castor oil, and on here it is something else.

I try to pick and chose my internet battles, and while tipping wouldnt be one of them, I can see how some people would get upset over it, especially if you have been a waitress and see how some customers can be so rude and not tip.

No one is ever going to get along with everyone on here, because there are so many people.

But I am a "newbie" on here, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

[emmabemmainc]

When you make generalized comments like the one about only getting courage from a gun and badge, it will hurt those who have family in that profession, even if you are not talking about that one specific person.

I don't care if he had a disclaimer or not. His comment was just down right hurtful to everyone.

It wasn't hurtful to me, honestly. I believe he said THE policeman (I could be wrong, I'm going on memory here) who does that--not ALL policemen do that--so there was no generalization.
I'm sorry that you felt hurt though.

 

[mpls_mm]

Tipping is one of the hot buttons on here. By the way, when I made my ADRs this week for free dining, the CM told me the tips weren't included in the DDP anymore. He said it was because of overwhelming requests by the diners. That made me laugh, so he said no, really, most people didn't understand that it was included so they doubletipped and asked that it be taken out so they only tipped once. Nice logic there.

 

[dbriggsq]

I think it should be possible to have a reasoned debate about the issue of tipping without it getting personal.

Coming from the UK I do have problems with it not because I'm stingy but because it makes me feel embarrased, confused and condescending. I think it's an old-fashioned and out-dated custom and it would be much better for both parties if servers were paid an proper wage even if Disney had to put up the prices (although how many millions of dollars are they making - and yet the customers still have to pay their employees wages?)

This is an extract from a newspaper article which I think sums up my feeling about tipping.

When tipping first caught on in the U.S., late in the 19th century, it was the old-world, aristocratic overtones of the practice that drew the most ire. An 1897 editorial in the New York Times declared tipping to be the “vilest of imported vices.” The paper lamented not only that “we have men among us servile enough to accept their earnings in this form” but that others were willing “to reward the servility.” Joining the chorus against “flunkyism,” the Washington Post denounced tipping as “one of the most insidious and one of the most malignant evils” of modern life. Tipping was seen to foster a lord-and-vassal relationship that the prouder professions resisted. Well into the 1910s many bartenders refused gratuities as an insult to their status. It’s not that we tip waiters because they are paid so little; they are paid so little because they can expect to make up the difference in tips. Starbucks is known for paying relatively well and providing respectable benefits. Yet, without the tip-jar take, the company would have to raise its wages commensurately to maintain the same caliber of employees. Perhaps prices would rise too, but I suspect many would be happy to have the full, unambiguous cost of the transaction up on the board. As things stand, the tip jar subsidizes the company’s payroll costs. So when you toss a dollar into the cup, you’re really making a donation to Starbucks — and I can think of needier beneficiaries.

My daughter works at the Headingley stadium - an international cricket and rugby ground - as a waitress serving the public who come for a meal and sporting event. Tipping is NOT allowed!! She gets paid a decent wage, works in a professional manner including doing silver service, and is treated with respect by the customers. In contrast I have seen some servers being treated appallingly by people where tipping is the custom - they are made to jump through hoops to get their tip with never a 'please or thank-you'.

Does tipping mean you are likely to get better service - well from some of the service we have had and some examples cited by others then I think the answer would be no. Would being treated as professionals by their employers and members of the public mean that the service would be improved - I think so.

Just my thoughts.

 

[mpls_mm]

I don't think anyone thinks we prefer to tip so that the big corporations can have a break. But it is the way it is. Individuals bucking the trend are not going to make a corporation buckle to it's knees. It's like every time they call for a gas boycott, you aren't going to change the oil companies and eventually we all have to buy gas again. You have the right to not tip, thats perfectly within everyones right. But at this point it is a cultural thing and I don't see tipping dying here anytime soon. But a small percentage of people not tipping is not going to make wages go higher nor leave policies get better or health insurance more affordable. It just makes a statement to the person waiting on you on that moment in time.

 

[Tricia1972]

I think tipping is a hot button for many reasons, most of them stated above. My personal observations:

-Some people are just trolls, they love seeing everyone get up in arms and will post things to inflame matters.
-There are simply too many people here for everyone to get along.
-Internet boards do not lead well to reading intention of a statement. Someone can say something to you and you may be fine with their statement because you know what they mean. You read it in black and white, with no tone or facial/body gestures and you're furious because how could they MEAN that.
-Phrases like "I would never" "We always" imply that the poster believes that their practices are right and always and never imply that if you're doing anything but you're wrong, stupid, cheap.
-Posts are occasionally and deliberately edited or taken out of context in quotes by other posters in replies. These edited responses are used to make the OP look bad. OP may jump in to defend themselves and things can get ugly from there.
-Inevitably we always end with the debate of what servers make and what they do to deserve their wages. Someone will say that servers are poor at Disney. Someone will jump in and say that servers make a decent wage and the battle begins

 

[dbriggsq]

Yes we have the right not to tip - or do we - we buy the DDE card and 18% gratuity has been added to that automatically. If we didn't tip would we be seen and treated as pariahs?

No the system isn't going to change soon but I do think in the 21st century it might be time to make a start - all change has to start somewhere - in small ways - perhaps writing letters, talking to servers and restaurant managers

 

[mpls_mm]

I don't think that Disney takes away your right to choose with the DDE card, you can choose not to buy it. Disney can put whatever restrictions on it they want. They are still a corporation and will tinker with things until the market doesn't support it and then they back off. Maybe if the economy keeps this way, they will lower some prices, but I highly doubt it. I think overall the fewer people that tip could lead to the overall quality of the labor pool going down. I've already seen the labor pool decrease in quality since I was a cast member. We had rigorous training and would have been embarassed to not know the schedules or trivia or where things were located. We had waiting lists to take our places if our performance slipped. Now Disney is the one in need of workers. As for pariah, I would hope no one would be rude if you decide not to tip, and how would they know? I would rather be in aroom of non-tippers than loud mouth, pushy people. We notice those people far more than non-tippers. I don't think you can live your life based on what other people think of you or your actions. Like you'll ever see them again anyway. It's just you and what is right for you.

 

[patti_jim_peanut]

Is it not funny that sometimes those who wish to be tolerant are intolerant to all others who oppose their view point.

Very true and I know a lot of those people. My SIL is a prime example!

I've never personally attacked someone for their opinion unless they attacked me first, though. For example(not aimed at you, just an example)I will not say anything about you're statement that they make enough already so it's OK to leave nothing, if you in turn, don't made rude comments about me saying I leave 20-25% to make up for the people who tip cr*ppy.

I have no problem with someone say, calling me "ms. moneybags" because I tip well...because I have had that happen. It doesn't bother me either, though I am not a "ms. moneybags" I wish i was!

 

[Scornelius]

When you make generalized comments like the one about only getting courage from a gun and badge, it will hurt those who have family in that profession, even if you are not talking about that one specific person.

I don't care if he had a disclaimer or not. His comment was just down right hurtful to everyone.

Oh come off it. Don't even pretend to tell me THAT GUY isn't on almost every force. The one who was teased by the jocks and not smart enough for the nerds and was a total outcast. Now he's a cop an a bully and his badge does give him the courage. We all went to highschool with one. Heck, I bet half of us dated him. But his (or her, cause I know a couple of chick cops who are the exact same) jerkiness doesn't paint every cop with that brush, and the OP went to lengths to express that. You're doing a disservice to the such an honourable profession by pretending it's flawless.

PS- I've got 7 immediate family members who are either cops, firefighters or military. We're the first to admit there are buttholes everywhere.

 

[Cass]

A bed time story would be nice too .. LOL

Jack Sparrow to tuck me in

 

[patti_jim_peanut]

Ok, I did make a joke to make light of it because so many people get worked up about tipping. I almost always tip over and above. If the service was really bad, I still tip very well, I just make a not on the CC slip that the service was awful but food was good etc. I am also not passive aggressive, I don't wait until the end. I may ask for another server who is not so pressed for time etc. Subjecting yourself to an hour of misery is your own fault. I know they have to turn those slips in to get paid. I also look at it in the grand scheme of things, I am blessed. I work from home and have a wonderful business, I have always done well. I started as a bartender while I went to school. I waited on my share of people who treated me like a trained seal, people who were so nice and told me how great the service was and left nothing. An extra 10% is not going to break me, but it might improve the night of the person that waited on me. I think I continue to be blessed because of little things like tipping well and engaging people in conversation and treating everybody as a person whose voice matters. I have friends who are always broke and cheap out on tips, but their situation never changes, you don't read a book on millionaires who say they got rich by skimming dollars off tips. Most say to be generous. I live like I am rich, think like I am rich, tip like I am rich and everything else falls into place. Also, if I am on a date and I notice the guy leaves a crummy tip, I won't go out with him again, stingy with money stingy with love.

I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said...

I remember the first time I noticed my hubby(then BF) leave no tip at a buffet. I calmly explained to him how hard they work for the money they get and what they get paid. He says "Well, I don't see why I should tip them. They didn't even get my food!" I was like "Well, think about it. How many times did she refill your drink? Or take away your plates? Or check to see how everything was?" He says "Oh, never thought about it like that". I came so close to dumping him that day... I made him walk back in and give the waitress a 25% tip... mostly cause he went there ALL THE TIME and never tipped.

 

[patti_jim_peanut]

Jack Sparrow to tuck me in

Ooh! Me Too? My DD5 and I are going to the P&P party on the 23rd and I'm gonna find Cpt. Jack!!!

 

[JerseyMamaBear]

They made a point to say that they weren't talking about all police officers. We all know how many true heroes there are in the field. However, no one can deny that there are some cops (just like in any profession) who are doing their job for the wrong reasons.
I don't want to get OT here, but no matter what you say, someone will be offended. YAWN!

Not for nothing, but my husband is a patrolman and I am a Sheriff's Officer and I also teach at a police academy. I was in no way offended by this comment. In fact, we laugh about this same remark quite often because when you see the recruits in the academy you can pick out the ones from a mile away who used to get thier lunch money stolen in school and are in this job for the wrong reason. THAT SAID....NOT every officer is like that and the OP was not making fun of cops in general just the ones who get badge courage.
This proves the point OP was trying to make that instead of everyone having a good time on these boards and just skipping the ones that bother us, we as a whole have to put our 2cents in in a hurtful way. There is a way to respectful voice our opinions, as most do, but at times it gets out of control.

This board was not caused to fan any flames but as a fun way to vent the frustrations some of us have been seeing lately. END SONG

 

[disneywith4boys]

I thought this thread was going to be a big arguement, but I'm finding it very funny to bring up all the pet peeves on one thread. Although I lurk a lot, I'm still not a frequent poster. I've learned so mch reading these boards in the past 2 years, but now I am somewhat nervous about my trip. I never realized so many things that bothered people. Never really thought getting a seat at CS places could be considered table hogging. Didn't know taking a kid out of line to go to the bathroom was such a prob- never did it, but if it comes up during my next trip I will really feel bad to do it. I never thought to wear a birthday pin if it wasn't our birthday- DH's Bday is 2 days after we leave, didn't occur to me to celebrate while we're there. I honestly didn't think twice about my 6 year old sharing a double stroller with his younget brother when he was tired, nor did I notice anyone elses stroller. Boy, I'm learning alot! I really feel I need to watch my step!

 

[darthtatty]

in the uk i generally leave 10-15% depending on service,generally its 10%.
a lot of service staff are already taxed on the tips theyre assumed to get.
in USA i generally give 20% again it depends on the service

 

[Scornelius]

Jack Sparrow to tuck me in

Ooh!! Sign me up for that one!!

DH is making a request for Jasmine, too.

 

[dbriggsq]

I don't think that Disney takes away your right to choose with the DDE card, you can choose not to buy it. Disney can put whatever restrictions on it they want.QUOTE]

But we had already bought the card when they imposed the restrictions on it - that is changing the goalposts as we say here

We bought it for our trip this July when we will be 10 - me and hubby, our 5 offspring and their 'hangers-on'! - to celebrate our 30th anniversary.We intend to eat at buffets mainly for speed and good choice of food for everyone. Not all our party are earning so we are paying for quite a few of them and even with the card can only afford to eat at TS buffets about 5 times over the 2 weeks. The average price for us will be $300 (not the 'average $60 as mentioned above). We had budgeted to leave a tip of 10% ($30) now we will have to leave a tip of $54 - $24 more - so it does make quite a big difference to us. If we ate at a TS restaurant every night for 14 days and left 18% tip it would mount up to $756

 

[Jenvenza]

I think it should be possible to have a reasoned debate about the issue of tipping without it getting personal.

Coming from the UK I do have problems with it not because I'm stingy but because it makes me feel embarrased, confused and condescending. I think it's an old-fashioned and out-dated custom and it would be much better for both parties if servers were paid an proper wage even if Disney had to put up the prices (although how many millions of dollars are they making - and yet the customers still have to pay their employees wages?)

This is an extract from a newspaper article which I think sums up my feeling about tipping.

When tipping first caught on in the U.S., late in the 19th century, it was the old-world, aristocratic overtones of the practice that drew the most ire. An 1897 editorial in the New York Times declared tipping to be the “vilest of imported vices.” The paper lamented not only that “we have men among us servile enough to accept their earnings in this form” but that others were willing “to reward the servility.” Joining the chorus against “flunkyism,” the Washington Post denounced tipping as “one of the most insidious and one of the most malignant evils” of modern life. Tipping was seen to foster a lord-and-vassal relationship that the prouder professions resisted. Well into the 1910s many bartenders refused gratuities as an insult to their status. It’s not that we tip waiters because they are paid so little; they are paid so little because they can expect to make up the difference in tips. Starbucks is known for paying relatively well and providing respectable benefits. Yet, without the tip-jar take, the company would have to raise its wages commensurately to maintain the same caliber of employees. Perhaps prices would rise too, but I suspect many would be happy to have the full, unambiguous cost of the transaction up on the board. As things stand, the tip jar subsidizes the company’s payroll costs. So when you toss a dollar into the cup, you’re really making a donation to Starbucks — and I can think of needier beneficiaries.

My daughter works at the Headingley stadium - an international cricket and rugby ground - as a waitress serving the public who come for a meal and sporting event. Tipping is NOT allowed!! She gets paid a decent wage, works in a professional manner including doing silver service, and is treated with respect by the customers. In contrast I have seen some servers being treated appallingly by people where tipping is the custom - they are made to jump through hoops to get their tip with never a 'please or thank-you'.

Does tipping mean you are likely to get better service - well from some of the service we have had and some examples cited by others then I think the answer would be no. Would being treated as professionals by their employers and members of the public mean that the service would be improved - I think so.

Just my thoughts.

I think where your daughter works and most places in the US where there are waiters, there are vast differences. Most servers get paid less than $3 an hour. They depend on tips. I think it is outragous, but that is how it is.

Tipping doesnt get you better service, but maybe the thought of a big tip will.