Candlelight Processional Costs!!!

[goofy4tink]

ITA with both.



The price OOP is:

Tier 1
Seating 1 - $32.99 plus tax & gratuity / ages 3-9 $17.99 (Lunch)
Seating 2 & 3 -$44.99 plus tax & gratuity / ages 3-9 $22.99 (Dinner)

Dinner ONLY: The Garden Grill Restaurant - Land Pavilion (lunch is not available at this location)
Lunch and Dinner: Biergarten - Germany Pavilion

Tier 2
Seating 1 - $38.99 plus tax & gratuity / ages 3-9 $12.99 (Lunch)
Seating 2 & 3 - $44.99 plus tax & gratuity / ages 3-9 $14.99 (Dinner)

San Angel Inn - Mexico Pavilion
Restaurant Marrakesh - Morocco Pavilion
Nine Dragons - China Pavilion
Rose & Crown - United Kingdom Pavilion

Tier 3
Seating 1 - $51.99 plus tax & gratuity /ages 3-9 $13.99
Seating 2 & 3 - $59.99 plus tax & gratuity / ages 3-9 $15.99 (Dinner)

Chefs de France - France Pavilion
Tutto Italia - Italy Pavilion
Le Cellier Steakhouse - Canada Pavilion
Teppan Edo and Tokyo Dining - Japan Pavilion
Coral Reef - The Seas with Nemo and Friends Pavilion




You want to use only 1 TS when the OOP is $60? 2TS is the correct amount to charge.

If you dine at LeCellier, on the DDP, it is only 1 TS, as of right now. Okay, so you get an appetizer now and 'preferred' viewing for IllumiNations. Is that worth another TS credit?? I don't think so. You always got a non-alcoholic beverage with the DDP. You have to order the most expensive appetizer, entree and dessert at LeCellier to even come close to the $60 they are charging now.
And as someone else pointed out...is Garden Grill really worth 2 TS credits? I think not.
I really think that Disney should just leave the CP off the dining plan...if you want it, you have to pay OOP for it. That would solve the issue. But, once they added free dining to this time frame, they had to do something...everyone on free dining would flock to this package at 1 TS.

But Disney is all about the bottom line, and it's a business, so it's okay. But, just because they want to squeeze a few extra $'s out of us, doesn't mean I have to pay it. Same thing with the dessert parties for Wishes. I went to one a few weeks ago...I felt that I got a good return on my $17 pp. Now??? Sure, Disney has extended it through Oct, but they raised the price, up to $23 or so. They realized that people would pay it, so they increased it. Will I do it again? Not at $23 pp!!
I will 'speak' with my pocketbook. I will spend what I"m comfortable spending, and that's it. I have done two MVMCPs per Dec trip before..not anymore. They keep raising the price and taking away perks each year. I can't imagine how a family of four can afford such things. It's hard enough when it's just me, on my own.

 

[Luv2Roam]

I really don't know what if any difference there is between the tiers for seating.
Personally I really like Biergarten. It is very festive for the holidays too. And much of our USA holiday traditions stem from German traditions.
Almost any of the restaurants I would eat at, have, and do. There are a few I would pass on. But that is just personal preference.
A fun day would be the Yuletide Tour, and the CP. If that is possible to schedule for one day.
Or do the Yuletide Tour one day, and CP the next.
Between those and the Santa's of the World, if that did not get someone in the holiday spirit, nothing would!

 

[roliepolieoliefan]

The CP package is way too expensive. When I called this morning for our upcoming ADR's the CM mentioned there was availability at LeCellier for the CP package on the date we will be there. When she told me how much I said no thank you.

$177.00 for CRT, then $200.00 for MVMCP, then another almost $200.00 for the CP. Its not happening. Yep some people might pay that much for lunch and an hour show but we aren't one of them.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) I really have to giggle at this topic.
2) DDP folks have always felt a sense of entitlement.
3) Now, they have to pay their fair share (2-coupons).
4) And, people are getting upset.
5) To let more OOP folks in, I wouldn't mind a 3-coupon CP package.

 

[vicki_c]

Would you be OK with Disney linking all the popular show seats to 2TS credits?

Actually, I would. I don't do the dining plan.

You want to use only 1 TS when the OOP is $60? 2TS is the correct amount to charge.

Yes, this is what I'm saying. NOT that the restaurants are worth the price they're charging, but given what the OOP prices are, it seems reasonable that it would be 2 credits on the DDP. Whether the prices for the meal are reasonable at all is an entirely different debate.

Same as with the new holiday surcharge pricing for the DDP. People are all up in arms about that as well, but since we only pay OOP and I've "enjoyed" the holiday surcharge pricing on 3 out of my last 5 trips, including 2 in the magical mid-June "holiday" season, it seems fair to me that the DDP people have to pay more at that time too, in terms of a higher daily DDP price.

 

[PrincessAlways]

I don't agree with the increase either! However, I thought of something else. It states that the package also includes "viewing of Illuminations". Ok.....where & how many people would it accommodate???? We've done CP every year with the package & the line for the shows is always very long. Longer than you would think for the "guaranteed" seating. So are they cutting the number of shows per night???? If not, how & where are they going to put all the people expecting a certain viewing area??

We don't always have the DP. As for the 2TS charge, I'd rather go to a meal in the castle for that. None of the restaurants listed in the CP package are a 2TS meal. Don't get me wrong. I love the some of those, but not for 2TS. It looks like they're linking CP with the Signature Dining Experience.....why?? It doesn't make sense. Those SDE are not available to people who did not pay for them. So what's next....you can't view the CP without paying a charge?

 

[goofy4tink]

1) I really have to giggle at this topic.
2) DDP folks have always felt a sense of entitlement.
3) Now, they have to pay their fair share (2-coupons).
4) And, people are getting upset.
5) To let more OOP folks in, I wouldn't mind a 3-coupon CP package.

I hate to come across as rude, but are you kidding me??? Does anyone think that by adding some preferred viewing of the fireworks show and an appetizer, the CP package is worth double the TS credits??? Fair share??? I have done CP package every single year for 6 years now. I'm sorry but Disney had made it two credits simply because they added free dining at this time frame. And those with free dining will book the more expensive restaurants. Why else are LeCellier, Coral Reef and other spots so hard to get into during free dining??
I don't have a sense of entitlement. I also don't feel like paying $60 oop for this package either! It's crazy. My dd and I ate at LeCellier one year for a whopping $95..both of us, with appetizers. Basically, I had the exact same meal at that time that I would have with the CP package. But, I would pay $120 for that..but hey!!! I get preferred viewing of IllumiNations.

Someone asked how Disney was going to do that preferred viewing. I think you will find that a lot fewer guests will be booking the CP pkg now. Which will put fewer people in those viewing areas. They have 3 or 4 spots they can use...so it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[DVCPAT]

1) I really have to giggle at this topic.
2) DDP folks have always felt a sense of entitlement.
3) Now, they have to pay their fair share (2-coupons).
4) And, people are getting upset.
5) To let more OOP folks in, I wouldn't mind a 3-coupon CP package.

I think Disney takes reservations on a first come, first serve basis. If all OOP call in first, the show will have all OOP reservations. Don’t get upset with the DDP folks, they’re just buying what Disney’s selling. Personally, I wouldn’t have a problem with Disney eliminating free dining or the meal plan all together.

I’m upset with Disney using gimmicks to maximize profits. During my last visit, I encountered the following:

1) Uninformed CMs that give bogus information.
2) Store clerks that are too lazy to direct you to a product.
3) Heavy trash lying around…..specifically at Thunder Mountain Railroad. Two employees standing by the trash talking and not cleaning.

I also noticed the phone system doesn’t ask you how many trips you’ve taken to WDW anymore. I don’t think they care about return customers. They are going after the new, uninformed Disney vacationer. I bet Disney raises the price three times in 90 days for the fireworks dessert party. New Disney customers wont have a clue. I think it’s a mistake for the long term.

 

[mickeytattoo95]

I'm just sad the CP costs so much. It's such a beautiful show with an amazing message. To our family, there's no greater way to get in the Christmas spirit. I guess Charlie Brown had it right when he said Christmas is so commercial. I'll just hope we get in to see an early show and if not, we'll listen from wherever we can. Being together is what makes our trip special. Being in Disney is what makes it magical.

 

[Lucky'sMom]

I do think the price is outrageous, but I booked it anyway. Tier 1, 8:15 show at the Garden Grill. We are going over TG, and as my sig shows, I have 5 kids. This is our first trip over the holidays, and I would be insanely upset if we didn't get into CP. The whole reason for the trip is to see the Christmas attractions. My 11 DD eats like a bird, a skinny bird, and I am paying $45 for her dinner she will pick at. But, if you want to see CP badly enough, it's not worth the risk of waiting in the standby line. Plus, I don't want to spend the entire evening waiting in line either...

 

[Doctor P]

As a family who hopes to do the CP dinner package for the fifth time this year (once on the dining plan; we will also be on the dining plan this year, but will pay for the CP package out of pocket), I am GLAD to see it go to two TS credits. The mistake Disney made was EVER allowing the CP dinner package to be 1 TS credit. BTW, we have done OOP at Garden Grill, Le Cellier, and Biergarten and our one time doing the package on the Dining Plan was at Biergarten. The CP dinner package was an absolute STEAL at 1 TS credit and now is an OK deal at 2 TS, especially at Tier 3. We are choosing to do Tier 2 this time around and would prefer to use our TS credits elsewhere, but would not feel ripped off for charging 2 TS for Tier 2. The charge for dinner is $44.99 plus tax for either Tier 1 or Tier 2. It is unreasonable to expect that one should get a $45.00 meal for one TS credit, IMO. In addition, don't forget that the buffets will likely have a holiday surcharge through the entire time that CP shows occur.

So, it doesn't make me happy to pay more OOP, but I don't think it is unfair and it will likely help spread out the demand for CP and other table service restaurants.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I agree the CP Package at GG & Biergarten isn't worth 2 credits. However, the other restaurants are most definitely worth more than one. This is especially true for the Tier 3 restaurants. When polling who likes the change & who doesn't, you can pretty much tell who has DDP & who doesn't. We are all self serving, when it comes to things like this. Those with DDP will hate it & those paying OOP will love it. DDP users love getting the great deal & those paying OOP get sick of paying twice what DDP users do. It's pretty much that simple.

I think it stinks ..Sorry but none of the restaurant choices are worth the cost nor the 2 TS credits and that includes Le Cellier.This just cemented the decision for me, If I feel like seeing it I will wait standby , but most likely I will skip it and use 2TS at Narccossees or Yachtsman Steakhouse.

I couldn't agree more that the food at LC isn't worth 2 credits. OTOH, for those paying OOP, a filet at LC is a whole $3 less than a filet at the signature restaurants. That's doesn't make much sense, does it? Using DDP vs. paying OOP is way too skewed. Both groups will never be happy, until they can find a way to give DDP users a bit of a break, while not ripping those paying OOP off in the process. The restaurants should never be full of one or the other, but the more expensive 1 TS places mostly are.

 

[PrincessAlways]

I do think the price is outrageous, but I booked it anyway. Tier 1, 8:15 show at the Garden Grill. We are going over TG, and as my sig shows, I have 5 kids. This is our first trip over the holidays, and I would be insanely upset if we didn't get into CP. The whole reason for the trip is to see the Christmas attractions. My 11 DD eats like a bird, a skinny bird, and I am paying $45 for her dinner she will pick at. But, if you want to see CP badly enough, it's not worth the risk of waiting in the standby line. Plus, I don't want to spend the entire evening waiting in line either...

When you booked, did they tell you where you would be watching Illuminations??? Your show is at 8:15. Are they still having the earlier shows too?

 

[Eliza'sMom]

As a PP pointed out, at 1 TS credit, the CP last year was costing those on the DDP roughly $25, while those paying OOP were charged up to almost twice that. 1 TS credit was a steal! I can't believe anyone would expect Disney to continue to provide the CP package for $25, or this year, in many cases, for free, for those on the DDP, while charging up to $60 OOP. Would it have been nice for free diners? I'm sure it would. But should we honestly expect it and be infuriated when we don't get it? Come on.

Plus, Disney is really going to make money on this package from people paying OOP. I'm sure there are plenty of locals who like to attend this event who aren't staying on site, much less using the DDP, and they've probably been shut out from booking in the past. That's just not smart business. It seems like those who say Disney's not earning any loyalty with this move don't realize that not everyone's on the DDP. While of course it would be nice if I didn't have to pay $45 for the package, I'm not upset about it, and I was so glad to see it go to 2 TS credits this year. I'm hoping against hope that the changes make it easier to book.

The last time we went to Disney we had the CP package OOP at Tutto Italia and it was about $45, which was less than the cost of our food. So I considered it a decent deal even OOP. This was 2007. We then had to line up, even with the package, about 45 minutes before the show started, and we were about halfway back in the line. I'm not sure if anyone got in that performance stand-by. Something had to give there, or we'd all be complaining in a couple of months about how we barely got seats and had to line up 2 hours in advance even though we had the package.

 

[Tippy 6]

We have never did the dining plan but have the Coral Reef reserved for dinner on 12/2 at 5:25 we had to use 2 ts for it. But we have never been at Christmas either so we really want to see this show. I don't understand the seating difference and if I used 2 TS what seating am I getting. Or tier? Also the CM did not tell me the dinner is any different so are you saying we do get and appetizer with 2 TS? Usually your drink is included but not appetizer for 1TS. Sorry for all the questions.

 

[vicki_c]

We have never did the dining plan but have the Coral Reef reserved for dinner on 12/2 at 5:25 we had to use 2 ts for it. But we have never been at Christmas either so we really want to see this show. I don't understand the seating difference and if I used 2 TS what seating am I getting. Or tier? Also the CM did not tell me the dinner is any different so are you saying we do get and appetizer with 2 TS? Usually your drink is included but not appetizer for 1TS. Sorry for all the questions.

Unless they would decide to change that part of it -- the Tier of restaurant you pick has nothing to do with where you sit in the theatre. It's first come first serve seating at the CP, except that people purchasing the package get in first, and then if there is room left, the non-package people get in a short time before the show starts.

As to your other DDP related question, I don't know since we don't do the DDP.

 

[goofy4tink]

Here's my take. Nobody, not one person, pays for the CP. It is a free show. Anyone eating at LeCellier, but not getting the CP package, is using 1 TS on their DDP...at least to the best of my knowledge. LeCellier (using it as an example here) got hugely popular once the DDP came into being. It was a very good deal. Same thing with Alfredo's (now Tuttu), Coral Reef and Chefs. You got a really good deal using the DDP at those more expensive restaurants.
So...fast forward to this year. Disney offers free dining during the holiday season. But, it would seem they didn't think it through completely. Now...they are going to have a huge number of guests booking the CP package free!!! At least last year they had to pay for the dining plan.

I have no problem with these restaurants being made into 2 TS spots...they aren't worth it in my opinion, but that's life. But, I do have a problem with Disney basically charging me double what I paid last year, but telling me about my wonderful preferred viewing of IllumiNations and the appetizer I'll get with my dinner this year...but it will cost me either $60 or 2 TS credits. So, basically....that addtl TS credit is paying for an appetizer and a slightly better viewing spot.

I don't think you get 2 TS credits worth by eating at CRT either. But, Disney isn't stupid...they see a way to get a bit extra cash and go for it. And that's their right. I will be trying to book the CP pkg tomorrow. My friend hasn't been to WDW in almost 15 yrs and has never done CP...so I would like her to have a great CP experience. However, when she leaves WDW, and I meet up with my other buddies, I won't be doing CP pkg again, which I have done in previous years...nope, no mulitple shows for me this year.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

I’m upset with Disney using gimmicks to maximize profits. During my last visit, I encountered the following:

1) Uninformed CMs that give bogus information.
2) Store clerks that are too lazy to direct you to a product.
3) Heavy trash lying around…..specifically at Thunder Mountain Railroad. Two employees standing by the trash talking and not cleaning.

1) Complaining on a website is good for the soul.
2) To get Disney to change, you need to talk with your wallet.
3) Unfortunately, the gullible public will continue to come back.
4) This gives reinforcement to Disney to continue raising prices & cutting services.
5) There is no incentive to change.
6) But, with bonuses being bonuses, there is incentive to stay the course.
7) As a side question, with the above complaints, when is your next trip?

 

[ep4244]

I feel it's a bit outrageously price, but this will be my mom's first and probably only trip to Disney so I will pay it. We're on the DDP, but I will pay OOP for this.

 

[DVCPAT]

1) Complaining on a website is good for the soul.
2) To get Disney to change, you need to talk with your wallet.
3) Unfortunately, the gullible public will continue to come back.
4) This gives reinforcement to Disney to continue raising prices & cutting services.
5) There is no incentive to change.
6) But, with bonuses being bonuses, there is incentive to stay the course.
7) As a side question, with the above complaints, when is your next trip?

Our next trip is Thanksgiving. I booked VWL 11 months ago. I’m not at the point of selling our DVC contracts, but Disney service is on a downward slide. The DVC discount for annual passes have kept us on-site. If Disney continues to deteriorate, I’ll use DVC accommodations and go off site. Orlando has a lot to offer….my kids have never been to Universal or Discovery Cove.