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Back in March, our cable provider stopped transmitting the cable channels above 13 without a converter box. This wasn't part of the analog to digital switch over, it was just something they 'needed' do to. Two of the boxes are free, but over that there is a charge of $1.99 a month per box. I have a couple other tv's that I'd like to use to access those cable channels. Comcast, my provider, doesn't sell the boxes outright. I already think my cable, internet, lan line bill is already outrageous and I don't feel like giving them more money. Does anyone know if this box is available? Anyone have suggestions?
 
We have Comcast and we got the 2 boxes free and then we pay for 4 additional boxes. We went to Comcast and got them and we also called Comcast to order more. Surely they could tell you where you could get them. It is Comcast that bills us the $1.99 each month. That was back in March. Unfortunatley without the boxes, you won't be able to get channels above 13. If there is a way around it, we have no idea.
Comcast is a huge expense. Have you tried calling them and telling them that you are thinking about cancelling. Sometimes they will give you a discount for 6 months.
 
There are two different things going on.

First, consumers have demanding more and more HD channels. Each HD channel requires between 2MHz and 3 MHz of bandwidth. Meanwhile, old-style analog channels requires 6 MHz of bandwidth. So the most efficient way of satisfying consumer demand for more HD is to trade in each analog channel for two or three HD channels. Fierce competition is what is driving cable and satellite services to go closer and closer to all-digital.

Second, all cable and satellite service providers, that have not already done so, are now encrypting all extra-fee services (such as expanded basic). This ensures that unscrupulous folks don't tap into cable lines to get free cable/satellite service, and ensures that unscrupulous folks don't try to share cable/satellite service service with neighbors. So whatever solution you find must address the need for decryption.

What you need to receive the channels you want using your own equipment depends on which channels you're talking about. If all you want is to receive local over-the-air broadcast channels via cable, generally you only need an unencrypted QAM tuner, which is built into most new televisions these days (and as a result, there are very few stand-along QAM tuners on the market, and they're not cheap).

Note that satellite services aren't so generous - they require their own box even for this level of service.

You indicated, however, that you were interested in cable networks. Therefore, your equipment needs to comply with published standards for hosting decryption devices (known as CableCARD). The desire you have, to use your own equipment instead of leasing additional boxes from the cable company, is held by so few consumers that there isn't a really strong demand for manufacturers to profit from, so therefore there are relatively few devices out there for you to choose from (and they're all DVRs, at this point), and again, they're not cheap. Regardless, with a compliant host device, you'd pay only two or three dollars extra each month for each CableCARD, a fee that is regulated by the federal government, on a nationwide-average-basis.

Note, again, satellite services are not as generous as cable companies: They sought and received waivers of the separable security ban, and so there is no comparable solution for you if you have satellite service.
 
I did a little search to see if anything new has come on the market recently and didn't find anything. The options available, currently in production, for equipment you can purchase to use with encrypted QAM services, includes:
- TiVo Premiere
- Moxi HD DVR
- ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner (for computer)
- Ceton InfiniTV 4 CableCARD tuner (coming soon; for computer)
Silicondust is also working on a computer-based tuner card that will be compliant.
 

There isn't an extra charge for the adapters needed to view basic cable above channel 13 and below the digital tier, also with Comcast.

We have digital converter boxes on each of the TVs on the first floor, but the two in the bedrooms were connected directly to cable. We needed to get two of the adapters to continue receiving the channels were were already getting, plus there are a few additional that come with the adapter. (have CMT and Game Show again thanks to the adapter, they had moved to digital some time ago).
 
... basic cable above channel 13 and below the digital tier
This is referred to as "expanded basic". "Basic cable" is just the local, over-the-air broadcast channels via cable.

There isn't an extra charge for the adapters needed to view basic cable above channel 13 and below the digital tier
As arielsleepingbeauty mentioned, there is an additional charge for those boxes, beyond the one STB and two DTAs included in your package price. That's the case in most of the areas served by Comcast at this point.
 
This is referred to as "expanded basic". "Basic cable" is just the local, over-the-air broadcast channels via cable.

As arielsleepingbeauty mentioned, there is an additional charge for those boxes, beyond the one STB and two DTAs included in your package price. That's the case in most of the areas served by Comcast at this point.

Thanks for the correction on the service type. Expanded basic would be the correct terminology.

Yes, you pay for extra adapters if you need more than two, but there is not an additional charge for services on your monthly bill for those units is what I was trying to say.
 
Yup, those first ones are "included". (Folks will dispute that they're "free". :)) The DTAs are a bit limited in capability - they're prohibited by law from being able to support HD - but in the next few months we can expect to see a change that will allow cable companies to use HD-compatible DTAs going forward. That's going to be good news for folks with multiple HDTVs in the house. :thumbsup2
 
This is referred to as "expanded basic". "Basic cable" is just the local, over-the-air broadcast channels via cable.

As arielsleepingbeauty mentioned, there is an additional charge for those boxes, beyond the one STB and two DTAs included in your package price. That's the case in most of the areas served by Comcast at this point.

I also have comcast and recieved the same notice. Their "expanded basic" at least when I opened my account, is called "digital starter." I feel like they were planning this switch to Digital Cable boxes for awhile.
 
They'd have been idiots if they didn't start thinking about it the day that DirecTV started with their bludgeoning 100 HD channels campaign. Competition has been fierce, especially since satellite services have been exempted from most of the costly and onerous regulations that have been imposed on cable companies. As it is, the major, legacy cable companies stated way back in 2005 that they would not be switching to all-digital for expanded basic in most of their respective service areas until after June 12, 2009 - they even made it part of their 2009 advertising campaigns that you still didn't need a converter box - and they kept to that pledge. They also promised to continue providing analog service, in most of their respective service areas, for basic service (i.e., again, that means just the local, over-the-air broadcast channels) through June 12, 2012 - and I see no reason to think that they won't keep to that pledge.
 


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