Cabins at Fort Wilderness Points Charts Posted! For Sale and Booking Dates too!

[DonMacGregor]

Understand the site unseen. Guess I'm used to that because DW and I bought all of our direct contracts before the resorts opened and in some cases there were ever available.

CFW is different though. They sold the first points sometime in early February. My understanding... the very first cabin wall didn't go up until last week. (Permits showed up on the county website last Wednesday or Thursday for this work to begin). Not sure why, until I saw these pictures I thought the cabins were built offsite and moved in place (like a house can be moved).

I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that the cabin construction actually "began" months and months ago with designing and pre-ordering the kits, pre-fabrication of the composite floor, wall, and roof panels, and shipping them to the site for final assembly. The only real difference being that the VDH tower was constructed in its entirety right on site in full view of everyone. Once you get past the "where" part, everything else is pretty much the same, with the first points being sold about 4 months prior to the "opening" of the resort (the first actual night you can book).

 

[maui22]

I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that the cabin construction actually "began" months and months ago with designing and pre-ordering the kits, pre-fabrication of the composite floor, wall, and roof panels, and shipping them to the site for final assembly. The only real difference being that the VDH tower was constructed in its entirety right on site in full view of everyone. Once you get past the "where" part, everything else is pretty much the same, with the first points being sold about 4 months prior to the "opening" of the resort (the first actual night you can book).

Thanks for explaining it. Now I understand what you are saying.

 

[maui22]

Are there any reports indicating if many people are buying favorite weeks during Halloween-Christmas weeks?

 

[kneely58]

33 more cabins added to the Trust (257,961 points).

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

33 more cabins added to the Trust (257,961 points).

Oooh. I wonder if this will make it easier to book one for late summer when it opens up to all DVC (direct) points.

 

[bama_ed]

That last PDF confirms this is loop 2500 next to the quiet pool.

 

[bama_ed]

Cabins are under construction at FW - being built from the ground up, although with prefab pieces. Looks like the first ones might be models, based on their location, but work is also underway in the first real loop.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/a...done-for-new-dvc-cabins.3929532/post-65407794

https://www.disboards.com/threads/a...done-for-new-dvc-cabins.3929532/post-65412366

My memory ain't what it used to be but now that we've initially seen the declaration for Loop 2300 and the quiet pool (in the 1st declaration several weeks ago) and now loop 2500 (in this most recent declaration), I admit I can't recall seeing a declaration for the 2 cabins in Loop 100 that the thread above refers to with pics.

Did I miss it? Have the cabins in Loop 100 been declared into the trust?

If not, does that mean they weren't declared "On Purpose" and thus can be used (and owned) by DVC itself as sales models or for "cash only" reservations?

There were 5 "Phases" listed in this most recent declaration all of which were sub-parts of 2500 (phases 2A, 2B, 13A, 13B, 21A). And each of the remaining loops contain anywhere from 6 to 9 phases per loop. Does that mean we might soon see a loop with 6 phases only declare 5 of them in the future, perhaps, but still convert the missing phase? The 5 phases would be declared and the 6th would not perhaps instead to be added to the cash inventory to keep a ratio range of cash cabins as a percentage of converted cabins within some pre-determined space?

If Loop 100 cabins have not been declared, (and I admit I may have missed the announcement), that means members can not book stays there with points (yet), right, unless they were declared?

Bama Ed

 

[CarolynFH]

If not, does that mean they weren't declared "On Purpose" and thus can be used (and owned) by DVC itself as sales models or for "cash only" reservations?

That would be my belief - and would make sense to me, to keep cabins in that location dedicated to sales, at least until CFW is sold out. And if River Country Lodge comes to be, Loop 100 would be a great location to sell those villas, too!

 

[bama_ed]

And if River Country Lodge comes to be, Loop 100 would be a great location to sell those villas, too!

That would be a GREAT reason, @CarolynFH, and gives more credence that the project behind Trails End won't be far behind CFW.

Bama Ed

 

[Sandisw]

My memory ain't what it used to be but now that we've initially seen the declaration for Loop 2300 and the quiet pool (in the 1st declaration several weeks ago) and now loop 2500 (in this most recent declaration), I admit I can't recall seeing a declaration for the 2 cabins in Loop 100 that the thread above refers to with pics.

Did I miss it? Have the cabins in Loop 100 been declared into the trust?

If not, does that mean they weren't declared "On Purpose" and thus can be used (and owned) by DVC itself as sales models or for "cash only" reservations?

There were 5 "Phases" listed in this most recent declaration all of which were sub-parts of 2500 (phases 2A, 2B, 13A, 13B, 21A). And each of the remaining loops contain anywhere from 6 to 9 phases per loop. Does that mean we might soon see a loop with 6 phases only declare 5 of them in the future, perhaps, but still convert the missing phase? The 5 phases would be declared and the 6th would not perhaps instead to be added to the cash inventory to keep a ratio range of cash cabins as a percentage of converted cabins within some pre-determined space?

If Loop 100 cabins have not been declared, (and I admit I may have missed the announcement), that means members can not book stays there with points (yet), right, unless they were declared?

Bama Ed

Just remember that DVD remains owner of all the cabins.

The declarations make the available to sell RTU only.

Even at the current resorts, DVD gets to keep rooms, even declared, for use for marketing. So, they could end up declaring those to sell the points but keep them for sales models.

 

[BrianLo]

This resort opens today… and I had to go back 7 pages to find a relevant thread to shake off the cobwebs from.

The apathy is extreme.

 

[Mikey15]

This resort opens today… and I had to go back 7 pages to find a relevant thread to shake off the cobwebs from.

The apathy is extreme.

Meanwhile the summer incentives put 150pts down to $183pp (Member, WH, Visa $1,000 discount). It's actually cheaper per point to buy 150 than 200pts due to the Disney Visa promotion being a fixed amount.

These are not moving well on their own.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Meanwhile the summer incentives put 150pts down to $183pp (Member, WH, Visa $1,000 discount). It's actually cheaper per point to buy 150 than 200pts due to the Disney Visa promotion being a fixed amount.

These are not moving well on their own.

$183 pp? I wouldn’t buy these at $83 pp. Those dues coupled with resale restrictions likely make this a worse bargain than Vero Beach.

 

[Wendysofftoneverland]

The dues are literally what keep us from buying there. I feel like there was already a small enough pool of potential buyers, then the super-high dues were announced and it reduced the potential buyer pool even more.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

The dues are literally what keep us from buying there. I feel like there was already a small enough pool of potential buyers, then the super-high dues were announced and it reduced the potential buyer pool even more.

If this thing had reasonable dues in the $8-$9 per point range I think it would sell just fine even with the resale restrictions. But those dues are just insane. Disney got way too greedy.

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

The dues are literally what keep us from buying there. I feel like there was already a small enough pool of potential buyers, then the super-high dues were announced and it reduced the potential buyer pool even more.

Dues, bunk beds in master, seeing the next door neighbors out our kitchen and front windows, not a deluxe resort... other than that, it’s great!

 

[intamin]

Dues, bunk beds in master, seeing the next door neighbors out our kitchen and front windows, not a deluxe resort... other than that, it’s great!

You forgot lack of solid table service dining, quality pools and paying for a golf cart

 

[Doberge]

Dues will always be high but may be closer to other resorts in a few years. Riviera seemed high when it opened but other resorts have caught up or passed Riv dues.

I'm really curious where resale settles here with dues, restrictions, overallow demand.

 

[intamin]

Dues will always be high but may be closer to other resorts in a few years. Riviera seemed high when it opened but other resorts have caught up or passed Riv dues.

I'm really curious where resale settles here with dues, restrictions, overallow demand.

It may take a little while for it to rise significantly but unlike CFW, Riviera had good reason for it's dues increases to be at a much slower rate despite starting off high. CFW on the other hand has good reason to be cleared for liftoff to the moon

1. Decreased efficiency of hundreds of small buildings vs. a single tower
2. High Mousekeeping dues since they have to travel between each individual cabin and bring their cleaning supplies with them
3. Increased property insurance costs - Disney knows these buildings won't hold up in a hurricane which is why they have to evacuate them and insurance companies know it too, Riviera on the otherhand isn't going anywhere
4. Dogs - I LOVE dogs but we all know the furniture and etc. is bound to get chewed up and soon
5. Low point charts - low point charts are great but they also mean the dues are spread among less people

I know you know all of these things but I think CFW is starting high and will continue to rise at a rate that outpaces other resorts as well. If CFW's dues have a CAGR of 5% or less over the years I'll be amazed.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Dues, bunk beds in master, seeing the next door neighbors out our kitchen and front windows, not a deluxe resort... other than that, it’s great!

I forgot about the lack of washer and dryer. Talk about Disney taking the cheapest of the cheap routes here.