CA State Senator says she represents both citizens AND non citizens!

[jocon]

And all of those issues could be lessened if we eliminated ILLEGAL immigration. EVERY SINGLE ONE of those issues.

Wow! She really got you there!

 

[chobie]

Anyone see this nice flyer being distributed at the rallies in Texas?

Notice the map of Texico.

I guess the illegal immigrants are planning on voting, and it looks like the Democrats are going to fight to allow it (or at least fight any attempt to prevent it). Just like they are fighting in various states to allow felons to vote.

I've noticed that the illegal immigrant advocates try to frame the debate as "anti-immigrant", when it is nothing of the sort. They conveeeniently leave out the "illegal" and try to tug at the heartstrings of citizens who are, or who have parents or grandparents who were legal immigrants. Shameful.

Our illustrious governor in PA, Fast Eddie Rendell, just vetoed a bill that would have required some sort of ID to be shown before voting. He doesn't want to stop that 105% turnout in Philadelphia. It's too much of a "burden" to show ID to vote, yet my wife just had to show ID to buy allergy medicine for my daughter!

As shameful as Shrub when he made that election video speaking in Spanish while holding a Mexican flag?

 

[Crankyshank]

It was all over local news last night how people are flooding the Mexican border and there's been record numbers of detainees because people are trying to get a piece of the amnesty the gov't is looking to give them.

Sure that's going to have no negative effect on the US poverty level want us to be concerned about security instead of illegal immigration? I'm pretty sure the fact they are able to get here illegally is a sign of bad security.

 

[caitycaity]

anyone who thinks that elected representatives should represent non-citizens who happen to reside in their area is not very smart. the non-citizens don't vote; they should not be represented by an elected official.

All in all, I don't see the illegal issue as Dem vs. Rep, but working middle class people vs our politicians, who only care about the Hispanic vote and the money from the companies and corporations who hire illegals. Hey, we need to vote with our convictions, regardless of party.

ita. i have become sickened by the response of some of my elected officials in this election. it is certainly goiing to affect my vote in the fall.

 

[AllyandJack]

Hey, this could be a good thing. We could all spread out over the world and vote in elections in other countries and influence elections in, say, France and Germany....Canada and Mexico....

I illegally voted in MA. I thought it would be fun to see if I could pull it off. I went to City Hall, cast my vote and trotted off like nothing happened. Like it or not, chances are illegal immigrants are already voting. If I can walk into a voting booth in a state in which I don't live and manage to vote for not only president (twice, thank you very much, since I also voted in my town), but also for the governor of a state in which I don't live, I find it hard to believe that illegal immigrants aren't voting already.

So, lets all go out there and vote in the elections of other countries.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

illegal immigration and illegal voting does not a citizen or a constituent make.


Though you may be on to something about voting in other countries.



What I find odd about the whole thing is that everyone is excusing illegal behavior for Mexicans (or any person who uses Mexico to gain entry into the US)...but when tehy find a raft of cubans who fled a communist country--they are picked up and returned.

Or without proper documentation--a visitor is denied entry into the US when go through the proper channels (airport, border patrol, et cetera).


Why are they turning a blind eye to the ILLEGAL part of all this?

And why b/c we want our boarders protected adn don't want people getting into our country who have no legal right to be here--that is considered discriminatory?


And those who support it--especially the politicians---are they going to open up their homes?

Where will all these people go???

This is simply an election maneuver. We do have a high number of LEGAL hispanics--and that is who the govt is appealing to. They want their votes.
That's why politicians will say silly things like this one allegedly said about non-citizens being her constituents.

I think they need to look hard and long at our government and the laws and regulations we have on the books. B/c someone somewhere must have flunked a basic government class.

 

[salmoneous]

And all of those issues could be lessened if we eliminated ILLEGAL immigration. EVERY SINGLE ONE of those issues.

And, as I have stated, I am only against ILLEGAL immigration. Do it LEGALLY, and I am ok with it.

I can not for the life of me understand how ANYBODY except ILLEGAL immigrants can think otherwise.

If your only problem with illegal immigration is that it is illegal, why not just legalize it, and your problem goes away?

 

[CapeCodTenor]

If your only problem with illegal immigration is that it is illegal, why not just legalize it, and your problem goes away?

Sure, why not? Let's just legalize everyone here and forget about laws and procedures. Wait, I have an idea...let's open up our boarders to who ever wants to come across, no matter who, or what, their backgound is. Or, maybe we can turn the country over to the UN, they seem to know how to run things.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If your only problem with illegal immigration is that it is illegal, why not just legalize it, and your problem goes away?

Actually--immigration is a LEGAL event. But you must go through proper channels. It is only ILLEGAL when you don't go through the proper channels.

And if we must not have proper channels--then no country should. We should be free to go wherever we please, right?

IF it is good enough for the US--it is good enough for ALL nations.


You want your country to monitor and protect its borders with immigration and customs regulations--then you should respect our countries right to do the same.

 

[salmoneous]

Actually--immigration is a LEGAL event. But you must go through proper channels. It is only ILLEGAL when you don't go through the proper channels.

Well, sure. When people claim they like immigration, they just don't like illegal immigration, there is an easy solution - expand the proper channels.

I'm not saying you should have no laws or enforcement. But you could increase the ability for people to immigrate. Suddenly, almost all your issues with people being illegal or not following proper channels go away.

Then you've just got a whole bunch of legal immigrants. Would that be a problem?

 

[jgmklmhem]

Well, sure. When people claim they like immigration, they just don't like illegal immigration, there is an easy solution - expand the proper channels.

I'm not saying you should have no laws or enforcement. But you could increase the ability for people to immigrate. Suddenly, almost all your issues with people being illegal or not following proper channels go away.

Then you've just got a whole bunch of legal immigrants. Would that be a problem?

The problem is there are certain quota's (no idea what the numbers are) of people who are legally allowed in to the country. These numbers are generated to keep the strain on resources both natural and financial some what under check. It has been shown that all of these immigrants who were not granted legal channels are definately straining the financial resources (schools budgets, hospitals, etc) of this country especially in border states like New Mexico. Lets take Magic Kindom as an example. Assume the max limit is 75,000 now add in an additional 10,000 who jump the fence and the resources, comfort and safety of those already there is severely diminished and god knows the churro cart runs out so at that point pandamonium breaks out.

Now I will agree that the absurd amount of paper-pushing that has to go on to become a legal immigrant should at least be cut down but the quota numbers should stay in tact.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Then you've just got a whole bunch of legal immigrants. Would that be a problem?

IF you can move into this country and make an honest living--there would be no problem.


No matter how easy we make it--people will still try to cross illegally for whatever reason.

 

[Papa Deuce]

If your only problem with illegal immigration is that it is illegal, why not just legalize it, and your problem goes away?

Simple. Not everybody who wants to emmigrate here should be allowed. Show us you can bring something to the table besides hands spread out to receive... Show me that you can contribute BEFORE you ask to receive.

 

[Crankyshank]

Well, sure. When people claim they like immigration, they just don't like illegal immigration, there is an easy solution - expand the proper channels.

I'm not saying you should have no laws or enforcement. But you could increase the ability for people to immigrate. Suddenly, almost all your issues with people being illegal or not following proper channels go away.

Then you've just got a whole bunch of legal immigrants. Would that be a problem?

so what do you expect us to do - wave a magic wand and make the red tape go away? I have yet to see someone post on this board or speak to in coversation that agrees with the current immigration policy but there's not much the average citizen can do other than write to their elected officials.

It's those in office that have no interest in doing away with illegal immigration and making it easier to come here through the proper channels. and yes one can make their opinion count by voting but when all of the candidates have the same opinion of immigration it's kind of fifficult to do anything about it

 

[mickeyfan2]

A Senator's job is to represent it's constituency. According to wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn a constituency is the body of voters who elect a representative for their area. So how would illegals be the Senator's constituency?

 

[salmoneous]

Now I will agree that the absurd amount of paper-pushing that has to go on to become a legal immigrant should at least be cut down but the quota numbers should stay in tact.

I'm not sure I agree that the quotes shouldn't be raised, but at least your answer is honest. If I may put words in your mouth - you believe the problem is we have too many immigrants.

Do we have too many? Who knows. We certainlly have too many concentrated in small pockets. But if we are really "full", shouldn't the goverment stop spending $billions each year encouraging families to have children?

 

[mickeyfan2]

Rendell has been a fantastic governor. Republicans everywhere are raising taxes, and Rendell has kept them down.

Sorry but Rendell wants to raise the state taxes. So I guess he will fall off the fantasic governor list.

 

[salmoneous]

Simple. Not everybody who wants to emmigrate here should be allowed.

So it seems to me your problem isn't just with illegal immigration. Is that correct?

Show us you can bring something to the table besides hands spread out to receive... Show me that you can contribute BEFORE you ask to receive.

OK - so would you be in favor of legal letting in anybody who has a job lined up?

 

[CapeCodTenor]

So it seems to me your problem isn't just with illegal immigration. Is that correct?

Correct me if I'm wrong Papa Deuce, but I think what Papa Deuce is trying to say is that if Osama Bin Laden wanted to immigrate to the US the gov. wouldn't let him. We don't want criminals to immigrate to the US, that's who we want to keep out. If I'm wrong Papa Deuce please correct me.

 

[AllyandJack]

We need limits of legal immigration, too. It's physically impossible for everyone in the world to live in America. There is only so much space. We can't just let everyone in the world come live here. That's like saying Orlando is near Disney World so everyone in the US should move to Orlando. It can't happen. Unless we plan to allow development in National/State Parks to provide housing for people and for businesses to open, there is a finite amount of space. There are many other wonderful countries in the world. Perhaps they should offer to take some of the people who want to come to the US for better opportunities.