BWV Standard view

Just because a few of the total DVC rooms are harder to book than others I don’t think it in any way merits a change to how we book or change our reservations.

Is BWV studio standard view and AKV value studios difficult to book? Yes they are, but they aren’t that hard to book. I book both each year, and though value has been harder this year than previous they still doable. Yes you might need to try multiple times to get your foot in the door - still it doesn’t merit a change to our booking system.

Basically I think owners should just suck it up, and understand this is how things works, and even though changes to the DVC always come, not all changes are perceived good in the eyes of the members - be careful what you wish for.
 
I haven’t tried extensive but this morning did the search at 7:59 and clicked forward exactly at 8 using akv standard room and it worked first try.
Just to add that I tried this on a BWV standard view this morning. Searched well before 8am and then hit continue at 8am. Worked for me.

So it now appears that the old advice that you must search after 8am is no longer true.
 
Just to add that I tried this on a BWV standard view this morning. Searched well before 8am and then hit continue at 8am. Worked for me.

So it now appears that the old advice that you must search after 8am is no longer true.
Other thing of note is I was trying to get value studio today at akv. I generally do the dance of search, select the date and continue ahead of time, get the too early message and refresh to keep my browser alive. Usually I do this about every minute leading up to it. Today the studio was available up until at least 7:58 based on my phone time and time.gov correction but was gone when I did my final refresh at 7:59:30. This is intersting to me becusse means only 3 possibilities.
1) someone walked the room but waited until less then a minute until their safe window expired (possible but definitely risky)
2) Disney pulled the room but waited until 30 seconds before time to do it
3) the window to book actually opens slightly before 8am. I’ve never tried this but 100% will next time I’m not going for an actual room lol.
 
Other thing of note is I was trying to get value studio today at akv. I generally do the dance of search, select the date and continue ahead of time, get the too early message and refresh to keep my browser alive. Usually I do this about every minute leading up to it. Today the studio was available up until at least 7:58 based on my phone time and time.gov correction but was gone when I did my final refresh at 7:59:30. This is intersting to me becusse means only 3 possibilities.
1) someone walked the room but waited until less then a minute until their safe window expired (possible but definitely risky)
2) Disney pulled the room but waited until 30 seconds before time to do it
3) the window to book actually opens slightly before 8am. I’ve never tried this but 100% will next time I’m not going for an actual room lol.
Interesting. I do the same, and have noticed the same thing happening with BWV standard. The room will be available right up to a few minutes before booking opens and then will disappear.

I can’t believe option 1 is what is happening. Option 2 also unlikely. I think the booking is opening slightly early.

Maybe they are randomising the booking opening times between 7.59 and 8.00am… I can’t figure out why.
 
Technically, walking could be considered improper, as one doing a walk does not, at the time of making an original reservation, have any intent to actually arrive on the arrival date specified. As I have noted the easiest way for DVC to greatly reduce walking would be to return to the original reservation rule: being able to reserve 11/7 months out from date of departure from a DVC resort. Yes, that rule would not solve the problem of being able to reserve some categoroies of rooms at 11-months out, but it would resolve DVC's problem of having members complaining about walking. Asking DVC to resolve the problem by adopting something that is complex, as has been suggested in this post, will likely result in disappointment as DVC would probably just adopt the change it believes to be the easiest to do, and which cannot be challenged by members.

There is another modification rule DVC could adopt, that would actually be valid, would not limit the right a member currently has to modify a reservation, would allow modifications upon request, but would likely greatly reduce members from trying to modify reservations, except when they actually have a real issue that results in their needing to change the dates.

I call it the Phone Rule. DVC could create a phone extension number to attach to, when calling the DVC main number, when someone needs to modify a reservation. The phone system would not be avaialble before 9 a.m. because that is when MS opens, and thus no one could modify online at 8 a.m., except to cancel a reservation. The member would be permitted to change only one or two same-time reservations per phone call (many members get two rooms to add relatives or friends going at the same time). The phone would have a small number of employees to answer it, which would assure a member would often have a long wait time.

The result would be that it would become much harder to walk. Professional renters could not do multiple "walking" changes of several reservations online at about the same time, bots would not help with the phone system, and, though you would still have the same right that currently exists to modify a reservation, you would have a barrier that prevents constantly walking unless you are fine with making repeated phone calls and waiting forever for someone to answer, which most would do only if they have an actual need to modify an existing reservation.

The Phone Rule could potentially just be limited to a member's changing the arrival date of a reservation to a date later than the existing one, and thus allow other modifications online.

If you feel I am being a littlet satirical in offering this new phone method as the solution to members walking a reservation because I have experienced long wait times when calling MS for other reasons, you are probably somewhat correct.
I like it. The rule in business is that if you make something 1% harder for your customers to do than they’re 10% less likely to do it.

Walking is EASY. Even if the only change they made to the rules was “3rd modification and on for a reservation must be done by phone” it would probably cut down walking by 90%.
 
Interesting. I do the same, and have noticed the same thing happening with BWV standard. The room will be available right up to a few minutes before booking opens and then will disappear.

I can’t believe option 1 is what is happening. Option 2 also unlikely. I think the booking is opening slightly early.

Maybe they are randomising the booking opening times between 7.59 and 8.00am… I can’t figure out why.
Currently 2 rooms available for todays booking - wondering if the same will happen today.

I dont think they will open the booking window randomly for some members but not for others. If they did, the same issue wouldn't occur over and over again.

I'm more in the boat that someone is moving their reservation at the very last minute - I just can't explain WHY they are waiting till the very last minute or second that is. Could it be a newish member that got the booking window mixed up so this is how he/she thinks its supposed to be/work?
 
Just to add that I tried this on a BWV standard view this morning. Searched well before 8am and then hit continue at 8am. Worked for me.

So it now appears that the old advice that you must search after 8am is no longer true.
I tried it this morning, and I got the 8am too soon message. Maybe I clicked 1 sec too early but I will try again tomorrow.
 
Currently 2 rooms available for todays booking - wondering if the same will happen today.

I dont think they will open the booking window randomly for some members but not for others. If they did, the same issue wouldn't occur over and over again.

I'm more in the boat that someone is moving their reservation at the very last minute - I just can't explain WHY they are waiting till the very last minute or second that is. Could it be a newish member that got the booking window mixed up so this is how he/she thinks its supposed to be/work?
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Currently 2 rooms available for todays booking - wondering if the same will happen today.

I dont think they will open the booking window randomly for some members but not for others. If they did, the same issue wouldn't occur over and over again.

I'm more in the boat that someone is moving their reservation at the very last minute - I just can't explain WHY they are waiting till the very last minute or second that is. Could it be a newish member that got the booking window mixed up so this is how he/she thinks its supposed to be/work?
I just thought a reason it could be I didn’t think before until I almost did it myself. I am trying to get 2br value. Yesterday studio wasn’t available so couldn’t try but 1br was so I booked that yesterday to guarantee
at least one 1br would be available today for me to try 2br if studio was. At 30 sec before I did the refresh and studio was there so I tried (failed today) but if it wasn’t I would have walked the 1br an extra day 30 sec before to guarantee it’s free for 2br next time. Reason I think this might not be true is when I saw pattern last time it was a studio that disappeared but 1br was available to book.

Maybe someone uses the developer thing to see if more then one available and doesn’t give up the studio if only 1br for fear of losing their walk if not successful?
 
I tried it this morning, and I got the 8am too soon message. Maybe I clicked 1 sec too early but I will try again tomorrow.
Next time I have time and there’s not a room I’m competing on I’ll try to book an easy to get room like 1/2 a second before 8 based on time.gov and see how it works. I’ll go longer or shorter time before until something works and report back lol.
 
Next time I have time and there’s not a room I’m competing on I’ll try to book an easy to get room like 1/2 a second before 8 based on time.gov and see how it works. I’ll go longer or shorter time before until something works and report back lol.
This is actually my intention too, try for a standard view at AKV, which should be more than doable.
 
I do wish Disney would end the ability to walk for a long time. It would be easily. Limit the number of on-line modifications to a reservation to 10 modifications. After that you have to call in to modify. If DVC sees from that you are walking a reservation, they do not approve further changes. A "normal" reservation should never need 10 modifications.

In the end though DVC/Disney doesn't give a spit. If people walk standard/value rooms, why do they care. Some grumpy members for sure, but in the end, almost everyone wants the cheaper rooms but they can't get them. Boo hoo. So I don't see them ever really doing anything to fix it.
 
I do wish Disney would end the ability to walk for a long time. It would be easily. Limit the number of on-line modifications to a reservation to 10 modifications. After that you have to call in to modify. If DVC sees from that you are walking a reservation, they do not approve further changes. A "normal" reservation should never need 10 modifications.

In the end though DVC/Disney doesn't give a spit. If people walk standard/value rooms, why do they care. Some grumpy members for sure, but in the end, almost everyone wants the cheaper rooms but they can't get them. Boo hoo. So I don't see them ever really doing anything to fix it.
If members would need to call in that would incur additional costs because of the requirement of more cast members. Either all or most of that cost would be paid by members - who would be interested in higher dues just because a few members wants to limit walking - I wouldn’t.
 
If members would need to call in that would incur additional costs because of the requirement of more cast members. Either all or most of that cost would be paid by members - who would be interested in higher dues just because a few members wants to limit walking - I wouldn’t.
Not exactly….DVC is getting the same 12% of operating costs….excluding taxes and reserves.

So, our dues would not go up with more CM because they can’t charge us more for something like this.

However, any additional costs cut into their profits…..so they are always going to take the most efficient route…and that means, not including CMS and let owners suffer the consequences of longer wait times.

I agree,,,,for the few rooms this I has a huge impact, it seems Ike it’s a lot when the changing of points charts to shrink that difference…slows down the demand for those rooms.
 
Interesting. I do the same, and have noticed the same thing happening with BWV standard. The room will be available right up to a few minutes before booking opens and then will disappear.

I can’t believe option 1 is what is happening. Option 2 also unlikely. I think the booking is opening slightly early.

Maybe they are randomising the booking opening times between 7.59 and 8.00am… I can’t figure out why.

I tried it this morning, and I got the 8am too soon message. Maybe I clicked 1 sec too early but I will try again tomorrow.
I tried this morning at exactly 08.00.00 and boom it allowed me to book. I had done the pre-search well before 08am, only waiting for the time to turn 08.00.00am

so that's good news, that we don't need until 08am to search and then book.
 
I tried this morning at exactly 08.00.00 and boom it allowed me to book. I had done the pre-search well before 08am, only waiting for the time to turn 08.00.00am

so that's good news, that we don't need until 08am to search and then book.
Boom. New level unlocked.
 
It used to always be that way and they changed it. Seems like they changed it back.

Would be curious to know why!

It used to always be that way and they changed it. Seems like they changed it back.

Would be curious to know why!
At what point in the booking process are you required to enter guest names - is it before or after your reservation is confirmed? Trying to figure out how far I can go through the screens before a reservation is actually booked.

Newish DVC owner (Fall 2023). Have made only one DCV reservation and that was through MS. Would like to try booking on my own at 11 months for next trip.

Thanks!
 
At what point in the booking process are you required to enter guest names - is it before or after your reservation is confirmed? Trying to figure out how far I can go through the screens before a reservation is actually booked.

Newish DVC owner (Fall 2023). Have made only one DCV reservation and that was through MS. Would like to try booking on my own at 11 months for next trip.

Thanks!

I never change the names until I am booked. Then I add later.
 












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