Buying multiple tickets for more fastpasses

[Mindy5767]

--------------- Disney has never linked park experience with resort levels. Just as Hopper Passes and No Expire Passes and Private Tour Guides and Keys to the Kingdom Tours and EMH are not allocated only to Deluxe guests, if WDW introduces an Uber-FP+ Pass, it will be available for purchase to all (on site guests). Off site? Who knows.

That is mostly but not completely true. There is one or more special backstage safari tours (maybe the one that includes breakfast?) that is only available to concierge guests, or to AKV/L guests. I am not firm on the details, but I know they have at least one that is limited to that small group of guests. So, they can do that if they want to. Also, the Top of the World Lounge in BLT was originally open only to DVC guests staying at BLT, until they opened it up to any DVC guest staying on property using their points. So that is another exclusive for one group. No, that isn't really an in-park thing, but the safari is.

 

[staceyeileen]

Perhaps I misunderstood how the bands work, but from reading here I was under the impression that a MB still worked for FP+ even if not used to enter the park that day. Is that not the case?

 

[rebbyparker]

I actually considered this for our recent trip. Just buy three extra UT tickets, and schedule FP+'s with them with them as well and voila! Extra FP+'s! I ended up cancelling onsite and moving offsite and the trip was amazing just using RD/FP's. However, I just found out the machines are covered (so sad!) so I think this is a viable option. It would take some planning though.

 

[JimmyV]

That is mostly but not completely true. There is one or more special backstage safari tours (maybe the one that includes breakfast?) that is only available to concierge guests, or to AKV/L guests. I am not firm on the details, but I know they have at least one that is limited to that small group of guests. So, they can do that if they want to. Also, the Top of the World Lounge in BLT was originally open only to DVC guests staying at BLT, until they opened it up to any DVC guest staying on property using their points. So that is another exclusive for one group. No, that isn't really an in-park thing, but the safari is.

The safari thing is limited, but how many people are we talking about per day? 50? Way too small to even consider. The "big" admission features (like EMH, Hopping, E-Ticket Nights, No Expiration), have always been available to everyone. With all the current angst about FP+ and the limit of 3 per day being the single biggest complaint, do you really think that this is the ground on which Disney is going to make the Deluxe vs. Others stand? No way. There are lots of threads here that contain posts by people who have complained to Disney about the limit of 3 per day, and the CMs all acknowldege that this is a big issue that they are hearing about. Disney isn't going to "solve" this problem by posting a video on YouTube about how families staying at the GF for $650 per night will now get 4 or 5. That would be public relations suicide.

 

[gwmort]

It's only "tiered" at the baseline. Anyone can bubble up for an extra fee. So perhaps people in Deluxe hotels might get a 5 FP+ experience for "free" (cough, cough), but people in other resorts would be able to buy into that level of experience for an upgraded fee.

That is pretty much how I assume it will work (5 for deluxe 4 for Mod 3 for value with ability to pay to upgrade to the next higher class, no upgrade ability for off-site).

 

[Turn the Page]

Would you complain the same way if Disney directly offered a $45/day option to add 3 additional FP+ to your day?

Is this something everyone has the opportunity to get or are they going to limit the number sold each day?

Frankly, yes, it would still bother me that they would be charging for something that was previously free for all. What bothers me most about this thread is the twisting/abuse of the system some seem willing to do in order to avoid standing in line, which one has to do when going to a theme park, because their "time is valuable." I have news for them, their time is no more valuable than mine, yours, or anyone else's.

It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

 

[Robo]

FP+

The + means "more fun!"

 

[Schmeck]

I can see the value for folks that want to spend the extra money. However, I'd have to think about two issues.

The first has already been expressed...finger scans...but, I'll look at it differently. "If" the finger scan is of enough quality, then entry "could" be blocked simply because the same finger scan occurred on two passes. There are two reason why this might not be an issue though...1) if someone used different fingers per pass. During my last visit, I was told I could us any finger. In the past, I was always told to use my right index finger. 2) Disney's IT system may not be designed to capture this issue. Since I've been in IT for 20 years, I can guess that it would take a lot of investment (network, servers, etc) to have the processing power to catch this type of occurrence. Therefore, I doubt it's a real priority for Disney.

The second issue is logistics. With one person holding two bands, they would need to schedule/manage 6 FP+'s online (mobile phone, kiosk, etc). This is a lot of waiting in line, recording information, logging in/out of different MDE accounts (possibly), etc. If you add in more family members, the challenge becomes harder, especially if folks ride different rides. With FY-, you (I) simply had the physical tickets to keep track of.

I'd really be interested if someone tried this as an experiment to really understand if/how it works.

Also, FYI, based on the estimated pricing, I agree that Disney will, at some point, offer to let folks buy more FP+'s. Other parks offer this already (Universal, SixFlags, etc) and they are tiered...pay more, get more benefits. If Disney gives 3 FP+'s for "free", then they are doing what other parks don't do (from my experience).

But how could the OP get two bands? Don't they have to be linked to an onsite reservation to get a band? Are they going to book a second room under a fake name? Wouldn't that be illegal?

 

[Robo]

But how could the OP get two bands? Don't they have to be linked to an onsite reservation to get a band? Are they going to book a second room under a fake name? Wouldn't that be illegal?

I understand that Elwood regularly books room reservations for Harvey.

 

[mom2rtk]

Is this something everyone has the opportunity to get or are they going to limit the number sold each day?

Frankly, yes, it would still bother me that they would be charging for something that was previously free for all. What bothers me most about this thread is the twisting/abuse of the system some seem willing to do in order to avoid standing in line, which one has to do when going to a theme park, because their "time is valuable." I have news for them, their time is no more valuable than mine, yours, or anyone else's.

It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

I would probably never buy a second ticket to get extra FPs. Not because of some philosophical angst, but because I'm too cheap. And it would represent a massive increase in price for something I got free last year.

That said....... would you point me to the "rule" that says you can only purchase one ticket?

Disney is in the business of selling tickets. I would think the marketing folks would be high fiving themselves all over the place if they could get people to start buying 2 tickets each.

 

[Turn the Page]

Well, they don't let you burn more than one day on a nonpark hopping ticket in order to get into more than one park on the same day.

That would be using two tickets in the same day, no?

 

[Nayan]

Is this something everyone has the opportunity to get or are they going to limit the number sold each day?

Frankly, yes, it would still bother me that they would be charging for something that was previously free for all. What bothers me most about this thread is the twisting/abuse of the system some seem willing to do in order to avoid standing in line, which one has to do when going to a theme park, because their "time is valuable." I have news for them, their time is no more valuable than mine, yours, or anyone else's.

It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

Well said.

 

[Missyrose]

Well, they don't let you burn more than one day on a nonpark hopping ticket in order to get into more than one park on the same day. That would be using two tickets in the same day, no?

But if you used two separate tickets, you could go to two separate parks on the same days.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

Not sure what "rules" are being broken. Can you elaborate? If you buy a ticket and use it to enter the park, you are allowed 3 FP+ with that ticket. If you buy 2 tickets and use them both to enter a park, you are entitled to 6 FP+ with those tickets.



As for the free dining thing - people have been doing this for years. If the tickets were actually used to gain more FP+ on that trip, Disney would probably be happy. It would mean that the extra tickets would be used immediately rather than their cost being applied to a future trip/ticket purchase/AP renewal, etc. Disney actually makes more money this way on these people than they have in the past.

 

[mesaboy2]

But if you used two separate tickets, you could go to two separate parks on the same days.

Yep, that's a legitimate (as in no actual rules against it) way to do two parks in a day without hoppers. Really expensive and inefficient thanks to Disney's convenient hopper option, but legal.

Not sure what "rules" are being broken. Can you elaborate? If you buy a ticket and use it to enter the park, you are allowed 3 FP+ with that ticket. If you buy 2 tickets and use them both to enter a park, you are entitled to 6 FP+ with those tickets. As for the free dining thing - people have been doing this for years. If the tickets were actually used to gain more FP+ on that trip, Disney would probably be happy. It would mean that the extra tickets would be used immediately rather than their cost being applied to a future trip/ticket purchase/AP renewal, etc. Disney actually makes more money this way on these people than they have in the past.

The implicit rules in someone else's mind that should be followed, because they think so.

 

[wisblue]

If I want to buy two tickets for the Super Bowl so I can leave my coat on the second seat, I have the right to do that. It would be ridiculous and stupid, but not against the rules.

I see buying two park tickets just to get 3 more FPs the same way.

If I go to the MK I know from experience that I can easily do 15 or more things (including all of our favorites) without getting a FP. Paying twice as much to get 3 more things makes no sense to me.

 

[JimmyV]

What bothers me most about this thread is the twisting/abuse of the system some seem willing to do in order to avoid standing in line, which one has to do when going to a theme park, because their "time is valuable."

It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

????

Not sure what "rules" are being broken.

This.

If you buy a ticket for a flight, you get one seat. If "space is valuable" to you, (to paraphrase), you buy two tickets and get two seats. If space is really valuable to you, you buy three seats and occupy a whole row. If time is valuable to you, you buy two tickets for park entrance. If it is really valuable, then you buy three. Now, I suppose one could argue that if you are linking these tickets to a room reservation and lying about how many people are actually going to occupy the room, then a wrong has been committed. But if you book a room and get the proper number of tickets for the actual number of people, and then supplement those tickets with extras that are bought from Disney or Undercover Tourist, I can't see how that could be twisting the system or breaking a rule. Granted, those extra tickets can't be used to book FP+ 60 days ahead of time and would have to be activated and used to book FP+ on the day of use. But I hardly think that matters. One can pre-book 3 FP+ and then add on 3 (or 6) more once in the park and still do quite well. I don't really see this as being any different from someone in 1975 who bought two "11 Adventure Coupon Books" instead of the one that most people would buy.

 

[fitzperry]

If I want to buy two tickets for the Super Bowl so I can leave my coat on the second seat, I have the right to do that. It would be ridiculous and stupid, but not against the rules.

Well only because it's going to be about 2 degrees. If you could use the second seat for a space heater . . . .

 

[mom2rtk]

Well, they don't let you burn more than one day on a nonpark hopping ticket in order to get into more than one park on the same day.

That would be using two tickets in the same day, no?

Not at all. It would be attempting to use a second day's entry from ONE ticket. Completely different from using a different ticket.

As I said I would never do it, for many reasons, but I don't see any rule against it.

Well only because it's going to be about 2 degrees. If you could use the second seat for a space heater . . . .

 

[fitzperry]

What bothers me most about this thread is the twisting/abuse of the system some seem willing to do in order to avoid standing in line, which one has to do when going to a theme park, because their "time is valuable." I have news for them, their time is no more valuable than mine, yours, or anyone else's. It bothers me when people think they are too good to have to follow the rules like everyone else and feel entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while everyone else does follow the rules.

What rule is he breaking?

I suppose in some abstract, philosophical sense no one's time is more valuable than anyone else's. But it's silly to suggest that's true for purposes of economics. An hour of a Wall Street lawyer's time will cost you a whole lot more than an hour of a fast food worker's time. . . . And different people value their vacation time differently. If one guy wants to spend a few extra bucks to avoid waiting in line, how does that hurt you?