Buying multiple direct contracts at the same time

[Sandisw]

Since this has been brought up... Is there any benefit to having 2 blue card memberships? I ask because I just started with a second UY at VGC and am going to add some direct points to it when VDH opens, just debating how many. I've already got the blue card from my WDW UY just wondering if it's worth it to do it on my DLR UY.

The only benefit would be if DVC began requiring that all special events, even moonlight magic be booked on a qualified membership.

The current Wicked Wind DowN even for TOTWL is that way. Your reservations must be on an eligible membership. It doesn’t matter if you use resale points or direct, as long as the trip itself is booked on the correct membership.

If the reservation is on a non qualified membership, they said you would not be able to book that event.

Now, we haven’t had any confirmed reports yet If anyone got it on a different membership.

Something’s just require the DVC Y, like discounts etc so one is enough.

 

[RoseGold]

They allowed CCV/RIV to combine to get incentives in the past. There is some precedent for it. Who knows what policies will be then?

 

[pianomanzano]

Since this has been brought up... Is there any benefit to having 2 blue card memberships? I ask because I just started with a second UY at VGC and am going to add some direct points to it when VDH opens, just debating how many. I've already got the blue card from my WDW UY just wondering if it's worth it to do it on my DLR UY.

Haven't personally been able to verify this, but have seen on FB and maybe here as well that people who booked points on the UY/membership that was not blue card-eligible could not signup for moonlight magic since they weren't staying on the blue-card eligible points. Don't quote me on this though and others should chime in if this was just a one-off thing.

 

[elenex]

Well thanks, that's probably enough to sway me. I expect once VDH opens and DVC establishes itself on the west coast, moonlight magic will appear. Looks like there are 150 VDH points in my future. Should be good for now though as all my WDW points are on a blue card membership.

 

[pianomanzano]

Unfortunately, no. The contracts all have to be the same resort to qualify for the incentives. The only time they allowed it was a few years ago when the incentives were exactly the same for both RIV and CCV. In that case, since the discount off was identical it didn't matter.

Normally, though, they are not and so they won't do it. What they did do for me this year...which I was surprised...was give me the 300 point incentive price for purchasing 150 VGF points for my December UY and for the 150 points I bought in a new June UY. Same resort though, so all incentives were equal.

Of course, you can always try!

Do you mind me asking why you split up the points from the same resort across two UYs? I had thoughts of doing that too in order to have more points within a bankable range for fall travel, but have decided against it for now.

 

[Sandisw]

Do you mind me asking why you split up the points from the same resort across two UYs? I had thoughts of doing that too in order to have more points within a bankable range for fall travel, but have decided against it for now.

Initially I wanted to just go with my Dec UY. But then when VGF was t getting 2021 points, I decided to just get a June UY with the 150 so I had points sooner.

Later in the day I thought about it and asked if I bought another 150 in my Dec UY, could I get the $179 point price.

Wasn’t expecting a yes but when it came back, I put my SSR contract up for sale to offset the other 150!

It actually works out now because we have June, Aug and Dec UY which ensures all my trips of the year are within the banking window and if I borrow, it’s for trips early in a UY!

My goal is to add on 100 more points ay Poly Tower if it’s a new association. If not, I’ll do another 100 direct at RIV in the June UY which is currently my smallest membership.

 

[pianomanzano]

My goal is to add on 100 more points ay Poly Tower if it’s a new association. If not, I’ll do another 100 direct at RIV in the June UY which is currently my smallest membership.

Thanks! We're thinking of doing the same when Poly Tiwer comes on board on our second UY since there won't be current UY points available. That's what makes it hard to pull the trigger on adding on to our June UY (when we were considering RIV) because we're not willing to add points to that membership knowing that we could get the 2021 points if we just added more on our Dec UY.

 

[elenex]

Correct me if I'm wrong but for a new association, the earliest I could get the bonus prior UY points would be January 1 of the year after it opens? So if I were to buy at VDH which looks on track to open 2023, my window would open 1/1/24 and close 1/31/24 given that I want to add to my February UY?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If you are an existing owner, they will sell you smaller contracts.

Existing owner or existing member?

Mr. CaptainAmerica and Mrs. CaptainAmerica, husband and wife as joint tenants with right of survivorship, own 300 points at Aulani with a December Use Year. Would we be considered "existing owners" if we wanted to buy Poly 2 with a February Use Year?

 

[CarolMN]

Existing owner or existing member?

Mr. CaptainAmerica and Mrs. CaptainAmerica, husband and wife as joint tenants with right of survivorship, own 300 points at Aulani with a December Use Year. Would we be considered "existing owners" if we wanted to buy Poly 2 with a February Use Year?

Different use year means a new membership. 150 point minimum applies. You could buy less than 150 only if you added the points to your December membership.

 

[Sandisw]

Existing owner or existing member?

Mr. CaptainAmerica and Mrs. CaptainAmerica, husband and wife as joint tenants with right of survivorship, own 300 points at Aulani with a December Use Year. Would we be considered "existing owners" if we wanted to buy Poly 2 with a February Use Year?

You can get owner pricing no matter what. New UYs require the 150 minimum…that is why my June UY for VGF had to be 150, but the 150 Dec UY could have been broken up smaller since that was an existing membership.

But, I got the pricing for both.

 

[BLTAaron]

Sorry to hear that! I’ve had great interactions with guides, and I had roughly 800 resale with only 32 direct, until we purchased VGF this year.

I’d highly recommend my current guide- Rodney “Chris” Evans (Rodney.Evans@disney.com)


Yes! That is correct- it is the accumulation of direct points which qualifies you. I think the issue some have here is UY/membership. As long as you are adding onto an existing (even resale) membership, you can add as little or as much per contract as you’d like. Once you hit the 150 total (on that ONE membership) you’re in. If, however, you are starting with a new membership (UY or names on deed), that’s when the 150 minimum rule applies.

I have 3 UY’s. One was blue card & the other 2 were not. When we added on at VGF, I added that to a non-blue membership in 2 contracts of 100 each… & it’s now a blue card membership.

So, if brand new to DVC, you could buy, for example, 50 points resale, and then Disney would sell you 150 in 3x50’s and get the membership card? I presume it would have to be the same resort and UY?

 

[HappyDisneyWife]

Since this has been brought up... Is there any benefit to having 2 blue card memberships? I ask because I just started with a second UY at VGC and am going to add some direct points to it when VDH opens, just debating how many. I've already got the blue card from my WDW UY just wondering if it's worth it to do it on my DLR UY.

Not in my opinion. As @Sandisw mentioned, DVC may try to change rules in the future which would make it more appealing to have all points be direct points, but there isn’t a reason currently. The only reason I did it was bc I wanted those VGF points in my Aug UY (not in my Feb UY)

Haven't personally been able to verify this, but have seen on FB and maybe here as well that people who booked points on the UY/membership that was not blue card-eligible could not signup for moonlight magic since they weren't staying on the blue-card eligible points. Don't quote me on this though and others should chime in if this was just a one-off thing.

Nope. I’ve booked rooms on resale memberships several times now & have always been able to secure MM tickets. Since they allow owners to even go to the MM events when staying on cash bookings- I don’t see them actually pulling apart resale points vs direct points (& yes- I mean points here- not memberships- bc that’s what they’d have to do!)

Currently, a member just needs to have a blue card, be staying on-site, & not staying on someone else’s points to qualify for early registration… that’s it… & anyone (blue card) can try during the open registration whether staying on or off-site.

You can get owner pricing no matter what. New UYs require the 150 minimum…that is why my June UY for VGF had to be 150, but the 150 Dec UY could have been broken up smaller since that was an existing membership.

But, I got the pricing for both.

Exactly this.

So, if brand new to DVC, you could buy, for example, 50 points resale, and then Disney would sell you 150 in 3x50’s and get the membership card? I presume it would have to be the same resort and UY?

If your goal is a blue card, then yes- you could do that. The 50 resale qualifies you as an owner for better direct incentives (I did this myself). You can buy any size add-ons you’d like, at any resort you choose, and it doesn’t need to be in one day. You can spread it out. You just need a cumulative 150 points before they change the qualification to a higher number… ie- if you’d only racked up 100 direct when they change the blue card qualification to 175, you’d need 75 more instead of just 50 more.

 

[elenex]

Not in my opinion. As @Sandisw mentioned, DVC may try to change rules in the future which would make it more appealing to have all points be direct points, but there isn’t a reason currently. The only reason I did it was bc I wanted those VGF points in my Aug UY (not in my Feb UY)


Nope. I’ve booked rooms on resale memberships several times now & have always been able to secure MM tickets. Since they allow owners to even go to the MM events when staying on cash bookings- I don’t see them actually pulling apart resale points vs direct points (& yes- I mean points here- not memberships- bc that’s what they’d have to do!)

Currently, a member just needs to have a blue card, be staying on-site, & not staying on someone else’s points to qualify for early registration… that’s it… & anyone (blue card) can try during the open registration whether staying on or off-site.


Exactly this.


If your goal is a blue card, then yes- you could do that. The 50 resale qualifies you as an owner for better direct incentives (I did this myself). You can buy any size add-ons you’d like, at any resort you choose, and it doesn’t need to be in one day. You can spread it out. You just need a cumulative 150 points before they change the qualification to a higher number… ie- if you’d only racked up 100 direct when they change the blue card qualification to 175, you’d need 75 more instead of just 50 more.

Thanks for the rundown, appreciate it. I'll likely go with the 150 points from VDH regardless since (a) that's about how many I want anyway, and (b) since I live in CA I don't want to purchase any more resale points and be locked out of VDH. I prefer VGC, but VGC points won't work at VDH since there is no direct option and I'd like to be able to go to both.

I suppose if they ever did restrict MM or other perks by UY, a workaround would be to transfer points into the blue card UY.

 

[NVDISFamily]

Existing owner or existing member?

Mr. CaptainAmerica and Mrs. CaptainAmerica, husband and wife as joint tenants with right of survivorship, own 300 points at Aulani with a December Use Year. Would we be considered "existing owners" if we wanted to buy Poly 2 with a February Use Year?

Yep. Did this with my guide to close the deal on RVA and my CCV direct points. My VGC use year was June and these contracts where DEC. Like the 2 different buckets to cover most of the year with banking windows.

Had to buy in at 150 to “start” the new membership but then I could add on at the smaller #s. One other thing to consider is are you going to perhaps think about gifting to the kiddos at some point. I split the 600 RVA points 4x150. If I ever gift one of these to the kids they will then have a blue card as I’m 99% sure the benefits pass down based on what was offered when the benefits were granted and not what is required in the future.

Best of luck. I put my guide through hell with a billion questions and lots of emails and calls and he was great. Also worked some magic to help me get the early July member add on prices even though I had just barely passed ROFR. It was a hot mess and a ton of extra work for him but we got a great price at 164 for RVA so I was happy with that

He also honored my request for CCV at the earlier price we had talked about.

The day we came to WDW to tour 5 properties he was awesome, treated my kids so well and made sure they got lots of gifts and stuff, and even went out of his way to hut us down some awesome DVC gear to take home (definitely did not find us the discontinued backpack …… cough cough). Our tour with our guide was our sons favorite day at WDW and he still talks about it

The only downside with our guide is that sometimes he forgets how I want to structure the deal, but that’s likely because I’m making it difficult. That’s okay as I’m sort of a numbers and data modeling nerd so I can deal with that. If you want his name just DM me.

 

[Nursemanit]

So If I have 2 resale contracts with an October use year [PVB and (hopefully) BWV], and I wanted to just buy 75 at a third resort for the same October use year direct, would that be allowed? I don't care about the Blue card but I may want 2-3 nights' worth of direct points in case I go to DL

 

[CarolMN]

So If I have 2 resale contracts with an October use year [PVB and (hopefully) BWV], and I wanted to just buy 75 at a third resort for the same October use year direct, would that be allowed? I don't care about the Blue card but I may want 2-3 nights' worth of direct points in case I go to DL

Yes.

 

[RoseGold]

Correct me if I'm wrong but for a new association, the earliest I could get the bonus prior UY points would be January 1 of the year after it opens? So if I were to buy at VDH which looks on track to open 2023, my window would open 1/1/24 and close 1/31/24 given that I want to add to my February UY?

VGF opened June 2022. There were no VGF contracts that included 2021 points, even though they had to have some, because they were still foreclosing and ROFR VGF1 for months. For VGF2, arguably late 2021 UYs would have points that would have worked., but they didn't get those points.

Early 2022 UYs still included 2022 points, which I think is interesting. You would think the line would either be June 2021, or June 2022, as the random January cutoff would cause a misallocation of points.

 

[Sandisw]

Correct me if I'm wrong but for a new association, the earliest I could get the bonus prior UY points would be January 1 of the year after it opens? So if I were to buy at VDH which looks on track to open 2023, my window would open 1/1/24 and close 1/31/24 given that I want to add to my February UY?

It all depends....when BPK opened, they started with 2022 UY points only because that building opened in 2022. They are only selling points deeded to the new building, not any of the points deeded to the original VGF building that would have potentially come with 2021 UY points.

So, if it is new association, then points will start based on the year of opening...since its projected for end of 2024, I assume it will be 2024 points that are the first set.

 

[RoseGold]

To further complicate, original VGF DVC opened in October 2013. I wonder if that mattered to the June date or to the point allocation. That would mean the whole thing turns into a pumpkin in October or December?