Bush vetoed troop withdrawl plan

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So, Bush is fighting with the Congress again.

What do you think about how Bush vetoed the withdrawal plan? Do you support him?

Discuss, and please keep it friendly :)
 
Bush is living in a fantasy world and quit listening to the American public a long time ago. We need to get our troops out and let the Iraqi government take care of its own country.
 
This is probably the most sensitive issue with politics right now and if people are going to be posting their opinions here, this thread is more than likely to get fiery.
 
Bush is living in a fantasy world and quit listening to the American public a long time ago. We need to get our troops out and let the Iraqi government take care of its own country.
exactly.
This is probably the most sensitive issue with politics right now and if people are going to be posting their opinions here, this thread is more than likely to get fiery.
exactly.

:rotfl:
 

i believe bush should be convicted of murder X however many people have died. maybe then would he get the severity of this issue.
 
i believe bush should be convicted of murder X however many people have died. maybe then would he get the severity of this issue.

I never really thought of it like that, but that makes alot of sense.

I am very upset that Bush decided that we shouldn't pull out of Iraq. I understand they are in a Civil war that we created, but I feel like we are just making everything worse. And I know we can't pull out immediately, but we should atleast start to, and not one by one, but more like 20 by 20.
 
I'm not worried. This means it just goes right back to congress who'll re-approve it again.
 
I truly, honestly, hope that they do approve it and nothing stops them from doing so. That's three positives.

1 because Bush won't be credited with saving our country.

2 because people can stop worrying about their family members in the war, and whether or not they'll ever come home.

And 3 because maybe then we could focus on the horrible stuff that's happening in America.
 
I don't think we should pull out all at once or set up a certain date or whatever but we need to do something quick. Before we lose anymore people. Like give them say 3 months to pull out. I mean why the heck are we even over there anyways?
 
I don't think we should pull out all at once or set up a certain date or whatever but we need to do something quick. Before we lose anymore people. Like give them say 3 months to pull out. I mean why the hell are we even over there anyways?

Umm...what? You said we shouldn't set up a certain date to pull out, then you gave us a timeframe to pull out. That doesn't make any sense.:confused3
And the bill would have our troops out by October.
 
I don't think we should pull out all at once or set up a certain date or whatever but we need to do something quick. Before we lose anymore people. Like give them say 3 months to pull out. I mean why the hell are we even over there anyways?
No, we most definitely cannot all pull out at once. That would just cause mass chaos.
 
Umm...what? You said we shouldn't set up a certain date to pull out, then you gave us a timeframe to pull out. That doesn't make any sense.:confused3
And the bill would have our troops out by October.

Sorry, I can't think straight today.:headache:

I meant we can't give a certain date like June 1 for all the guys to leave that day. What I tried to say was give them a couple months to get out.
 
But...but...how'er we gonna spread democracy aroun' the world if we go an' take out the troops?

My opinion on this topic is very undecided. Events from the past raise questions about what the right thing to do is. Consider Vietnam. It was a war that solved nothing. America lost about 60,000 men from that war for essentially nothing. We kept sending "advisers" out there in Vietnam to fight the war to keep North Vietnam from spreading their communism to South Vietnam. America wanted to get rid of communism and replace it with democracy. After a while, America said, "Hey, if you leave South Vietnam alone, we'll get out." And so, they did. But...as if North Vietnam would agree to that! So what they did was go and spread communism throughout S. Vietnam. Vietnam is a total communist country now...and heck, America was winning the battles over there.

Then there was Bush senior. He set a time frame to get the troops out of there and he did. The troops went in, took care of what they went in for and got the heck out. Later, the country went back to being the way it was.

If the troops got out of there now, the country might go back to being chaos and anarchy.

Perhaps Bush feels that for this job to be accomplished, they cannot leave or there would be another Vietnam instance. Maybe he feels that after losing so much men, to leave now would accomplish nothing. Democracy has not fully swallowed the country. It has always been America's goal to spread democracy around the world.

Perhaps also, Bush feels that by taking our troops out, another "Holocaust" would erupt and by us staying in there, we are keeping the country from that level.

However, if we don't get out, we are losing more and more people and what have we accomplished? People are getting killed there every day and we have this war lasting on and on and the support is starting to diminish even. To keep the troops in there is killing people and there is no absolute guarantee that this war will end how America wants it to. To get out now is to save Americans now and let Iraq go to waste (so believed). Without them under a democracy, they won't be a "good" country in the eyes of America and would still be considered a threat. Would that therefore endanger American lives in the future? Probably not considering how well advanced America is.

But the war in Iraq is more than just what we see. Consider the Cold War. That was another fight against communism. There we had America trying to shove democracy down Asia's throat and they were against it. The Cold War can be compared to this war also in that it was America going into another country, trying to force on them what America believes to be economically advanced and development that helps the country, and that country being against America trying to tell them what to do.

This whole thing is far more involved than any of us could possibly know. Probably more involved than some of the troops even know. There are so many things that Bush is thinking, that congress is thinking, and what the common minds (us) are thinking.

If I had to make a choice right now if I could either leave the troops in there or get out, I would probably go insane as I honestly have no idea what the correct answer is. It is all about prediction and strategy.

One thing I do know is that we have no control over what happens. If Bush wants to keep the troops in Iraq, we should support the troops. There are people out there refusing to lend any support to those fighting over seas because they feel Bush is wrong. Well okay...so what if Bush is wrong? The troops in Iraq are not the ones making the decisions Bush is and are only under the commands they are given. Don't stop giving them support because of what Bush is doing. Those people are going through more than any of us could know and if they don't have the support of America, it makes it that much more difficult for them. It's okay to not support Bush, but I honestly believe it isn't okay to just stop supporting those fighting for us.

I know what I hear through the media, peers, gossip and family but that is not all of it. I do not know all what this war is and neither do any of you. Not many people know at all what everything in this war is about. Since everyone fighting this war have different agendas centering around what we all know about the war, we cannot possibly know it all. It is therefore too difficult to define stable opinion on the matter - for me at least - since I don't like to make my mind up about such a highly controversial issue unless I have all the facts...ALL of them.
 
Then there was Bush senior. He set a time frame to get the troops out of there and he did. The troops went in, took care of what they went in for and got the heck out. Later, the country went back to being the way it was.
The mission of Desert Storm was to get Saddam out of Kuwait and from starting an Iraqi empire. We went in, slapped his troops around, and got him out of Kuwait...exactling what we were trying to do, then left with a REAL mission accompleshed.

But the war in Iraq is more than just what we see. Consider the Cold War. That was another fight against communism. There we had America trying to shove democracy down Asia's throat and they were against it. The Cold War can be compared to this war also in that it was America going into another country, trying to force on them what America believes to be economically advanced and development that helps the country, and that country being against America trying to tell them what to do.
Not exactly. The cold war was more or less a struggle between the USSR and the USA, where we did, but didn't fight a war. Sure, it was a struggle against communism, but it wasn't really like the Iraq war is today.
 
The citizens will never have all the facts. They will never be told everything.

There might be huge threats to our country that we know nothing about. Proclaimed terrorists that we've never heard of. I don't believe all the danger is in Iraq or the Middle East. We have other problems to.

We never know what will happen if you leave Iraq. It could go back to "normal", or they could all turn on each other eventually creating even more problems for the US.
 
The mission of Desert Storm was to get Saddam out of Kuwait and from starting an Iraqi empire. We went in, slapped his troops around, and got him out of Kuwait...exactling what we were trying to do, then left with a REAL mission accompleshed.
The country still went back to the way it was and it was a goal to get that country full with democracy.


Not exactly. The cold war was more or less a struggle between the USSR and the USA, where we did, but didn't fight a war. Sure, it was a struggle against communism, but it wasn't really like the Iraq war is today.

The Cold War is EXTREMELY comparitive to today's war as analyzed by political critics. The Ugly American is a novel that discusses the cold war as it was and that book could be about today's war. It was written by William Lederer if you want to look it up.

Several major political pieces written by political genius' discuss how the cold war is a mirror image of today's war. If you'd like, I can get the research for you to prove that. If you know about the cold war and enough about today's war, you will see the similarities. It becomes more than obvious. Think about the goals and the mission. Just because the "surface" of what we know does not seem comparitive, dig deeper and it is most definitely there.
 
The citizens will never have all the facts. They will never be told everything.

There might be huge threats to our country that we know nothing about. Proclaimed terrorists that we've never heard of. I don't believe all the danger is in Iraq or the Middle East. We have other problems to.

We never know what will happen if you leave Iraq. It could go back to "normal", or they could all turn on each other eventually creating even more problems for the US.

I say we just realize that the middle east is screwed up, has been screwed up ever sense the fall of the Persian Empire, and probably always will be screwed up, and be done with it. Let them kill each other while we improve our own country and then laugh at them when they complain about how bad of a life they're living.:confused3

BTW the house failed to over-ride the veto.
 


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