Bush steps in to stop euthenasia

[LisaR]

The "law" that you accuse our president of being above was passed by the House and Senate TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW by President Bush. That is both democratic and constitutional. You do understand how our government works, don't you???

And what you don't seem to understand is that this is NONE of the governments business. This is a family issue and it should remain a family issue.


What YOU are not capable of seeing is that this sets a precedence. This says that the government can make these personal, private, family decisions. This time you agree with them. What happens when you don't side with them next time? What happens when they are sticking their noses into your families business? Then it is too late because we have allowed this to happen already.

Court appointed doctors have verified that Terri is brain damaged beyond repair. The judge is in favor of leaving the feeding tube in but the evidence is overwhelming to show that it should be removed. He has made the decision based on the facts. But apparently the government is more knowledgable then the doctors in your eyes?

Lisa

 

[Hippychickali]

And I am glad that you realize who the conductor and the engineer are. Good on you! Now sit back and enjoy the ride.

Excuse me!

Ali

 

[Hippychickali]

What YOU are not capable of seeing is that this sets a precedence.

Lisa, this is a very good point. Apparently, though, some would have you believe that you are supposed to just "sit back and enjoy the ride" while the government does what it pleases. (see Dawn's rather offensive post upthread)

Ali

 

[DawnCt1]

Lisa, this is a very good point. Apparently, though, some would have you believe that you are supposed to just "sit back and enjoy the ride" while the government does what it pleases. (see Dawn's rather offensive post upthread)

Ali

Ali, I didn't realize that you are a USA taxpayer. Ticket please!

 

[LoraJ]

I thought the right didn't want the government controlling our lives? Hmmmm... That's right, it is okay if Bush does it.

As much as I personally don't think they should have taken the tube out, I really don't think the government should get involved.

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

The government has NO BUSINESS getting involved in personal matters, regardless! I think this has gone far enough, and nature needs to take it course.

But nature is will not be taking it's course. Courts are taking the course.

 

[Hippychickali]

Ali, I didn't realize that you are a USA taxpayer. Ticket please!

Dawn, do you have something against discussing what's being discussed? It's still a free world where I live baby (for now) and I can talk about George Bush or euthenasia if I want. Maybe you can "surprise" me by coming up with a point that contributes to the conversation at hand.

To the others who are discussing this topic, I realize that this is a difficult one. I'm trying to keep my eye on the ball right now and recognize it as being about the power of the president and not so much about whether the law should permit the removal of this woman's feeding tube.

Ali

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

I thought the right didn't want the government controlling our lives? Hmmmm... That's right, it is okay if Bush does it.

As much as I personally don't think they should have taken the tube out, I really don't think the government should get involved.

I agree this is not the business of the federal govt. I more confused as to why this has people in other countries upset. This is a domestic issue. None of their concern.

 

[Hippychickali]

As much as I personally don't think they should have taken the tube out, I really don't think the government should get involved.

Bingo! That's what I'm talking about. Good point Lora! I seemed to have repeated it because I didn't see your post when I hit send.

Ali

 

[Hippychickali]

I more confused as to why this has people in other countries upset. This is a domestic issue. None of their concern.

The majority of television channels we receive here in Canada are from the US. We have this issue and several other of your "domestic issues" rammed down our throats by your media 24/7 but God forbid we take an interest in it. I find it amusing that I can't cut down a tree in my own country or butcher a cow or support immigration or marry a homosexual couple with out the US getting up in arms yet I am not allowed to have a mere discussion on an internet message board about one of your "domestic issues"?

Ali

 

[Bayshore Bandit]

This is more like "big brother" action to me. The Congress can't
balance the budget, but they drop everything for this.

Is he really supporting
a "cultural of life" or just when he can score political points. Where is
his "cultural of life" when it comes to federally funding new stem cell
line research that may bring cures to people with more of a chance of
a better quality of life.

It's hilarious how hypocritical the GOP really is. They slam govt'
sponsored health care with every breath they have, and now,
they the government, are getting involved in a private citizens
health care. Political pandering at it's best.

 

[mudge]

this grandstanding by the congress is a purely political move designed to appease the religious right and the legal maneuverings being employed would be anathema to any true small government conservative.

after all, it was W who signed the law while governor that gave hospitals the right to remove life support if the patient is unable to pay and there was no hope of revival, regardless of the family's wishes. it is called the Texas Futile Care law. under this law, a baby was removed from life support just this week, despite the objections of his mother.

 

[MrsKreamer]

I would agree with you but I've been told as a lowly Canadian I am not entitled to an opinion.

Ali

I did not say "lowly" Canadian. I did not mean it as a personal attack, just a simple question. I find it interesting.

 

[DawnCt1]

The majority of television channels we receive here in Canada are from the US. We have this issue and several other of your "domestic issues" rammed down our throats by your media 24/7 but God forbid we take an interest in it.Ali

If its a problem Ali, change the channel. You can certainly take an interest in our domestic politics but you certainly shouldn't feel you should have any influence. How do I feel about this issue? I have stated it on many threads repeatedly. Her non husband, who abandoned her 12 years ago, has decided 10 years ago that he wants her dead. He has attempted to isolate her from her friends, family, the light of day and the outside environment. He has refused testing, therapy or any other intervention that may or may not have benefit. Is it likely that her life is a "Weekend at Bernies" deal? Probably, but given the fact that her husband has not acted in her best interest in the last 12 years; (abandoning the marital bed, shacking up with a new honey, making new kids,etc) he shouldn't be the one making life and death determinations. If our Congressmen, senators and President see that, then they are doing the job I want them to do.

 

[LisaR]

Ali, I didn't realize that you are a USA taxpayer. Ticket please!

Dawn,
Seriously, you should go back and read some of your posts. They couldn't possibly be any more arrogant if you tried.

Lisa

 

[Hippychickali]

I did not say "lowly" Canadian. I did not mean it as a personal attack, just a simple question. I find it interesting.

I hope I have satisfied your curiousity by answering it now in several posts. Let's spare these fine people this conversation and go back to the regularly scheduled political meanderings.

Ali

 

[Alicnwondrln]

This is more like "big brother" action to me. The Congress can't
balance the budget, but they drop everything for this.

Is he really supporting
a "cultural of life" or just when he can score political points. Where is
his "cultural of life" when it comes to federally funding new stem cell
line research that may bring cures to people with more of a chance of
a better quality of life.

It's hilarious how hypocritical the GOP really is. They slam govt'
sponsored health care with every breath they have, and now,
they the government, are getting involved in a private citizens
health care. Political pandering at it's best.

I have to agree with this... I mean they are rushig to pass a bill for woman who is a vegetable and that doctors say will never get better and she has been like for 15 years
i understand her families wishes but since her husband spent all his time with her and he says she wouldnt wantthis i dont understand why they cant come to some type of agreement. I mean at what point does it end

 

[denisenh]

I don't think that this should be a debate about whether or not her feeding tube should be taken out. The bigger issue here is that you have one man imposing his morals on an entire nation even going so far as to single-handly (undemocratically and unconstitutionally) try to overturn a legal ruling. And they say that no man is above the law.

I'll drink to that....

But really, it should be decided who is the responsible party of Terri...who legally makes decisions on her behalf? Is that the ex DH? or the parents?
That person(s) should make the decision and that decision should be abided by, plain and simple. This is most definitely the way that it should be.

No more of this tube in , tube out, garbage.... Making things into a 3 ring circus.

I agree this is not the business of the federal govt. I more confused as to why this has people in other countries upset. This is a domestic issue. None of their concern.

a domestic issue?

 

[Hippychickali]

If its a problem Ali, change the channel. You can certainly take an interest in our domestic politics but you certainly shouldn't feel you should have any influence.

1. You really think it's as easy as changing the channel? At first I just thought you were playing but your ignorance is shining through.

2. WTH? Who said that I thought I had influence over America's domestic politics?

3. Why don't you just get on the train and sit back and enjoy the view while the rest of us do the driving here? We'd let you help but it's no fun going backwards.

Ali

 

[DawnCt1]

1. You really think it's as easy as changing the channel? At first I just thought you were playing but your ignorance is shining through.

2. WTH? Who said that I thought I had influence over America's domestic politics?

3. Why don't you just get on the train and sit back and enjoy the view while the rest of us do the driving here? We'd let you help but it's no fun going backwards.

Ali

Does Canada know how to start the engine? It's late Ali, time for you to go to bed.