Bush comment...

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Yes, they all refer to the London Financial Times, but a minimum of 3 national news groups picked up on the story.

You started this issue by stating, "remember the "yellow cake" fiasco?"

Douglas Dubh responded, "Actually, that "yellow cake" scenario has been verified. Iraqi and Nigerian officials did meet; Iraqi agents did try to buy yellow cake in Africa."

You responded with, "Really ? Care to back that up with a national news story stating this ?"

I listed stories from the following news groups:

London Financial Times
The Washington Times
The Florida Times-Union
New York Times

I understand english very well, but I think you were one of those kids that use to get mad, take your ball and cry home to mommy.

The information is there, but now you now crying because someone provided the stories to back up the Iraqi/Nigerian scenario. Based upon your comments, you're the type of individual that would not be happy with any information::yes:: ::yes::
Actually, only ONE source makes this claim, and it's the "Financial Times". ONE...not four...and it's not exactly what you'd call a "major" source.

But that's ok...resort to insults...I'm used to it from people on your side of the aisle...You don't seem to be capable of anything else.
 
By the way:

UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, PENTAGON (7th COMM GROUP)
1993-1997

How about you two big shots ? Don't tell me what darling hubby is doing for his country, put your money where your mouth is.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Besides, last time I checked, your hero didn't exactly "put his life on the line for his country", and you don't seem to mind that too much, huh ?

:confused: :confused: Are you saying that people that join the National Guard are less than regular military? IMO - Anyone that serves our country should be treated the same.
 
Like I said WV - you were in during the Clinton years when the Marines did not salute the President because he was a DRAFT DODGER!

Since you worked at the Pentagon, it seems as if the only time you say the field was during your time at bootcamp. You probably never went overseas and never say a deployment.

I know . . . your argument would be that Bush never went overseas . . He served in the National Guard . . . The National Guard is "homeland security", they are the ones that are sent out to do humanitary efforts. Bush is/was a pilot, which means HE PUT HIS LIFE on the line everytime he went up in the air.

He is still a more noble man than Clinton ever was or ever will be.
 

Originally posted by goudaman40
Bush is/was a pilot, which means HE PUT HIS LIFE on the line everytime he went up in the air.

Um, actually, I don't think anything you're saying can be proved, can it? I mean, after all, any records that would prove w actually reported for duty were, um, "accidentally" destroyed. :rolleyes:

And as far as w being even close to "noble," yeah, right! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Actually, only ONE source makes this claim, and it's the "Financial Times". ONE...not four...and it's not exactly what you'd call a "major" source.

But that's ok...resort to insults...I'm used to it from people on your side of the aisle...You don't seem to be capable of anything else.

You realize how the news business works? One breaks the story and others follow.

What's wrong with the London Financial Times? have you taken the time to look at their site?

London Financial Times

I think you're just upset because someone provided a credible national news story to back up the claim.

Based upon your responses I think you should have stated, "Care to back that up with a national news story stating this, which must be approved by me first and they must feel the same way as me.":rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Three - your Idea of Noble and mine are two different things . . .

I fully support Bush and his decision to ban Gay Marriages - VERY NOBLE; I support his decision to send troops overseas to protect our rights and freedoms in the United States - Both are very NOBLE causes!

As far as Bush's opponet - well Mr. Kerry chose a glorified ambulence chaser for his running mate - not very noble and as far as Clinton goes - Cigars - need I say more? I think not
 
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Originally posted by goudaman40
WV - you know, you are really striking a nerve with me . . . I will make the same comment to you that I made to my Draft dodging Psy. Professor . . .

You are speaking of the President of the United States . . . The gentleman that pays my bills, because my husband believes in him and stands behind him 100%. You are speaking of a noble gentleman that has to make some of the most stressful decisions anyone could make.

You know, there are plenty of people that are out there that make negative comments about the President, but they never do anything about it. Have you served your country and put your life on the line? My husband put's his life on the line everyday so you and everyone else in this country can say what they want, when the want, without having to worry about the reprocussions.

GWB is doing a great job and has brought Pride back to the United States after 8 years of shame. Did you know, that thanks to the Clinton's years the Military received the lowest amount of pay raises and that military families were having to live in housing that HUD wouldn't even approve of?? Thanks to Bush, young E1's starting out, are having an eaiser time paying their bills than they did during the Clinton years.

There are alot of things that the media does not report . . . because happiness doesn't sell! If you report the bad, hateful, things, then it fuels the fire that everyone has to read the negative in everything. It's the rubber neck effect . . . people drive by slow when there is an accident, because they want to see the carniage and the bad!

So, when you have stepped up to the plate, and taken the oath necessary to defend this country, and put your life on the line, then you can continue this argument with me . . . until then Saddam is a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

Has the president put his life on the line? Have any of his family? Are his daughters rushing to sign up for this noble fight? how about a Cheney?

Are you seriously saying that anyone who has not served does not get an opinion? Should we take the vote away from them too? We know you don't want to take away the ability to run for ofice from them. I am sorry, and I respect your feelings, but this " if you disagree with the president you are unpatriotic" is total garbage.

We live in a free country. Is that not the essence of being American? God help us all when we are not longer allowed to express disagreement with our leaders. Is that not exactly what we are fighting against in other countries.....countries where people are not allowed to disagree?

What happens if the president is not one you support. what if a president was elected who was pushing for abortion on demand, even as a method of birth control? What if he was pushing for all kinds of things you believed to the core of your being were wrong? What kind of American would you be if you remained silent and let this happen without protest, because god forbid anyone disagree with those in power. Can you not see the folly of that?

No, please spare me the my president right or wrong idealogy. It is simply not the way things are done in this country.
 
Originally posted by goudaman40
He is still a more noble man than Clinton ever was or ever will be.

No, no, no, no, no ........ you've got it all wrong. A draft dodger is a wonderful thing. This is a very noble trait, there are very few people who can claim to be a draft dodger.
 
Originally posted by bsears
Has the president put his life on the line? Have any of his family? Are his daughters rushing to sign up for this noble fight? how about a Cheney?

Are you seriously saying that anyone who has not served does not get an opinion? Should we take the vote away from them too? We know you don't want to take away the ability to run for ofice from them. I am sorry, and I respect your feelings, but this " if you disagree with the president you are unpatriotic" is total garbage.

We live in a free country. Is that not the essence of being American? God help us all when we are not longer allowed to express disagreement with our leaders. Is that not exactly what we are fighting against in other countries.....countries where people are not allowed to disagree?

What happens if the president is not one you support. what if a president was elected who was pushing for abortion on demand, even as a method of birth control? What if he was pushing for all kinds of things you believed to the core of your being were wrong? What kind of American would you be if you remained silent and let this happen without protest, because god forbid anyone disagree with those in power. Can you not see the folly of that?

No, please spare me the my president right or wrong idealogy. It is simply not the way things are done in this country.

I agree with some of your statements. However, when an individual implies that the National Guard is less than regular military is totally asinine.

National Guardsmen (people) should be classified as the same as regular military. When someone is serving in the National Guard and their plane should crash, resulting in death. This individual would be buried with full military honors.

I can't believe people are classifying these two groups as seperate.
 
I did not imply that the NG was less, I was responding to the quote of " put your life on the line".

And, for the record, I am seriously perturbed by the missing records of the president's service. The conveniently missing microfilm and hard copy for exactly the time fame needed. It chillingly remimds me of the missing eighteen minutes. I am not looking to argue the existence of these records any more than I am wiling to argue about the missing WMDs. I am simply stating my opinion.
 
Originally posted by goudaman40
I fully support Bush and his decision to ban Gay Marriages - VERY NOBLE;


Ahhh... So you embrace the idea of including discrimination in the most meaningful document in U.S. history, huh?

Well, that says more than enough about both yourself and w!

And, as far as the "ban," don't hold your breath. It isn't going to happen. ;)
 
Originally posted by bsears
I did not imply that the NG was less, I was responding to the quote of " put your life on the line".

And, for the record, I am seriously perturbed by the missing records of the president's service. The conveniently missing microfilm and hard copy for exactly the time fame needed. It chillingly remimds me of the missing eighteen minutes. I am not looking to argue the existence of these records any more than I am wiling to argue about the missing WMDs. I am simply stating my opinion.

I was not bashing you, sorry if it sounded that way. I was referring to other individuals that feel that anyone serving in the National Guard should be rated less than regular military.
 
I fully support Bush and his decision to ban Gay Marriages - VERY NOBLE

Thankfully, despite the beliefs of some, Bush can't "decide" to ban gay marriage.

He can support the amendment, but it's not him who will decide.

It matters not since he knows full well it will never be passed. He's simply pandering to the extremist right wing of his party that he must pacify in order to get their votes.

If he spent more time on important things and less time catering to the extremist fringe, this country would be better off.

Bush is/was a pilot, which means HE PUT HIS LIFE on the line everytime he went up in the air.
:rotfl:

Back in Bush's days of pretending to be in the NG, it was a pretty common way of avoiding the draft. Problem was, you pretty much had to know someone or have lots of money to get in. He qualified on both points. The NG of those days is not the NG of today, so save the stars and stripes patriotic hoopla surrounding Bush's so called service to his country. It can't compare with Kerry...who really served.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Ahhh... So you embrace the idea of including discrimination in the most meaningful document in U.S. history, huh?

Well, that says more than enough about both yourself and w!

And, as far as the "ban," don't hold your breath. It isn't going to happen.

You know what makes this country great? We have our freedoms ---- religion, speech, etc. Goudaman40 & President Bush have ever right to feel this way. Just like you have a right to your beliefs.

I don't think Goudaman40 & President Bush has discriminated against anyone. They are speaking their minds and informing you on how they feel about gay marriages.
 
I, along with many others, remember what it felt like to sit and watch the draft lotteries on TV in the late 60s...waiting to see if your number would come up and you would have to go to Viet Nam. And I also remember that joining the NG at that time was a way to try to keep your butt right here. There can be no denying this, it is simply fact. It is not akin to draft dodging, but to claim it was not an attempt to avoid the fighting is to ignore the way things were back then.

Kerry signed up. No matter what you may think of the things he did after he came home, when the chips were down, Kerry joined the fight. The fact that the two men made such different choices, hits home with me.

I fail to understand why people are comparing Bush's record or lack thereof to Clinton's. Clinton is not running in this election.
 
Originally posted by bsears


I fail to understand why people are comparing Bush's record or lack thereof to Clinton's. Clinton is not running in this election.

Because they can't compare it to Kerry's.

You're absolutely right about the NG of the 70's.


I realize in the environment of blind patriotism we live in today, it's ...dare I use the phrase???....Un-American:eek: to say anything negative, but revising history doesn't really change it. That's the way it was, and there's no getting around it.
 
Originally posted by we3luvdisney
You know what makes this country great? We have our freedoms ---- religion, speech, etc. Goudaman40 & President Bush have ever right to feel this way. Just like you have a right to your beliefs.

I don't think Goudaman40 & President Bush has discriminated against anyone. They are speaking their minds and informing you on how they feel about gay marriages.


Um, hello? I don't believe I ever stated that one couldn't believe in discrimination. There are still individuals in this country that believe African-Americans should be enslaved, killed, or deported.

They are indeed speaking their minds! No doubt about that. They are lending support to institutionalized discrimination. As I said, that speaks volumes about their character.
 
Originally posted by bsears
And, for the record, I am seriously perturbed by the missing records of the president's service. The conveniently missing microfilm and hard copy for exactly the time fame needed. It chillingly remimds me of the missing eighteen minutes. I am not looking to argue the existence of these records any more than I am wiling to argue about the missing WMDs. I am simply stating my opinion.
What is truly disturbing is that it is disturbing to people. Lets look at it realistically.

These records weren't destroyed yesterday, they weren't destroyed a year ago, they weren't destroyed in 2000 - they were destroyed in 1997, before GWB thought about running for president. Now that would take a lot of conspiracy to prove that was wrong. The missing 18 minutes took place after the fact, the destruction of the records took place before the fact. And, to make sure the conspiracy was complete, they didn't just destroy his records, but I thought I saw that they destroyed thousands of records. They might have even destroyed some records of Mr. Kerry, if any work was done in his Service Record Book during the time. What is he trying to hide?
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Um, hello? I don't believe I ever stated that one couldn't believe in discrimination. There are still individuals in this country that believe African-Americans should be enslaved, killed, or deported.

They are indeed speaking their minds! No doubt about that. They are lending support to institutionalized discrimination. As I said, that speaks volumes about their character.

Then please explain what you meant by your statement:

Ahhh... So you embrace the idea of including discrimination in the most meaningful document in U.S. history, huh?

If someone doesn't believe in gay marriages, how is this discrimination? Just because goudaman40 & President Bush support the idea of banning gay marriages is not a form of discrimination.

Webster defines discrimination as treating differently on the basis of race, class, sex, etc. If goudaman40 & President Bush decided to refuse service to a gay couple then that would be discrmination.

FYI - Vice President Cheney has a gay daughter. If President Bush was really concerned about gays, why would he select Dick Cheney as his VP?

I found this little tidbit, concerning Kerry/Edwards:

Kerry, while saying he opposes gay marriage, has been a vocal supporter of Vermont-style civil unions and has said he would push for full federal rights and benefits for same-sex couples who obtain civil unions or domestic partnerships. But Kerry has also said he backs an effort in his home state of Massachusetts to amend the state constitution to restrict marriage rights to heterosexuals.

Edwards said he also opposes gay marriage and has declined to specify whether he would back civil unions, saying during the primaries and in a candidate questionnaire that he supports “partnership benefits for committed gay and lesbian couples.” He did not specify, as Kerry did, whether those benefits should be equal to those available to heterosexual married couples.

“I believe gay and lesbian relationships should be treated with respect and should be extended benefits under the law,” Edwards said in response to a questionnaire circulated by the NGLTF Policy Institute.

When pressed by the Boston Globe, Edwards said the issue of civil unions “should be left to individual states.”


Based upon the information provided, Kerry/Edwards would also be discriminating against gays. They support heterosexual marriages, but oppose gay marriages. I think this speak volumes about their character! Looks like goudaman40, President Bush, Kerry and Edwards all feel the same way concerning gay marriages.
 

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