Bush at 36%, how low can he go?

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Reality

What are you talking about?

 

[LuvDuke]

LuvDuke,
again regurgitating the same talking points. One sentence answers. not looking for masters thesis, but my point is, people are saying the same one line answers to everything on both sides, you kinda made my point for me that people are unable or unwilling to talk about this beyond the lines they are fed by the party, Fox news on the right if you will, NYT on the left.

What talking points? The problem is you don't like the truth. No great surprise there.

Here's a little bit of advice. If you want to know something about an issue, do some research instead of soliciting help on a BB.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Doncha just love that "We".

We is fighting the perfect war .............. We doesn't have to pay for it and We doesn't have to fight in it.

From a chickenhawk's pov, this war is heaven.

And least WE know who the enemy is, and WE support the mission of the troops.

No war is heaven; all war is hell. The terrorists declared war; WE are fighting back -- thank God.

 

[LuvDuke]

And if Georbe Bush moved in Miami right before the next hurricane that would be ok? If he nationalized the National Guard, as well as the police force, and just took over the government of the State of Florida? Suppose he had done that when a Democrat was governor, that would be ok with you?

Was he stupid with what he did do? Hell yes. However it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't responsible for the immediate response, the local government was and is. Do you really want someone that you claim is that incompentant in charge of all governments? For that is the only way he could have been responsible for the immediate aftermath of Katrina.

In regards to what I would have expected from the local senators, congressional people, etc - how about a little bit more pushing to get what they needed. How about a little more pushing from 1980 on. The left likes to point to this as if the levy used to be able to handle a cat 6 but only when Bush was elected did it drop to a cat 3. That problem was there a lot longer than 6 years ago, why wasn't it addressed earlier? Why were the senators from LA so incompetant that they couldn't get more money, yet a senator from Alaska was able to get millions for an island of 47 people? You can't make that up either. Let's see, putting a road where it isn't really necessary or shoring up a levy for one of our major ports - hmmmm. I can see how the LA senators would think that the Alaska road was much more important than taking care of their citizens. It makes for a much more productive photo op when the levy does break.

Please you're killing me tonight. You just can't bring yourself to admit Bush's conduct was a national and international disgrace. So you fall back on the classic rightie defense: Bush isn't responsible. He's a victim of bad intelligence, bad advice, bad hootch, etc. Bush isn't driving the turnip truck. He's just a passenger in the backseat.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Please you're killing me tonight. You just can't bring yourself to admit Bush's conduct was a national and international disgrace. So you fall back on the classic rightie defense: Bush isn't responsible. He's a victim of bad intelligence, bad advice, bad hootch, etc. Bush isn't driving the turnip truck. He's just a passenger in the backseat.

You can't make this stuff up.

You make it up all the time, laughing girl. I see you've made no rational counters to the poster's points.

 

[LuvDuke]

How about hey woman, don't kill your baby!

How about "mind your own business and worry about and control your own ovaries".

Oops, you don't have any to worry about or control. So stop looking at someone elses.

 

[Mercy]

How about hey woman, don't kill your baby!

Yes, Joe, but remember... it's their CHOICE to kill their babies... so I guess that makes it ok

 

[LuvDuke]

And least WE know who the enemy is, and WE support the mission of the troops.

No war is heaven; all war is hell. The terrorists declared war; WE are fighting back -- thank God.

Maybe the word hasn't filtered to your little corner of Planet Bush, but there are only about 3000 Al-Qaeda fighters in Iraq today. You're fighting Iraqis, so drop the "we're fighting terrorists there so we don't have to fight them here" BS.

 

[LuvDuke]

You make it up all the time, laughing girl. I see you've made no rational counters to the poster's points.

There's no rational counters to someone who blames everybody else for the Katrina debacle, except Bush.

 

[LuvDuke]

Getting back to the subject of this thread "Bush at 36%, how low can he go?", a CBS poll has Bush's approval rating at 34%. So maybe this thread should have a sub-topic: Who fell off the wagon and caused Bush to lose 2 more percentage points?"

Was it the delusional? Nah, they still think there are WMD's out there........somewhere........someplace............maybe Syria...........maybe Iran.........maybe Mars.

Was it the rich? Unlikely. They know which side their bread's buttered on.

Was it the "Woman, sit down and shut up, I'm controlling your ovaries now crowd? Puhleeeze............they'd continue to support Bush even if he assaulted a nun.

Last possiblity...........the ill-informed informed themselves. Whoa, looks a dangerous turn of events for Bush.

 

[Mugg Mann]

The difference between breached and topped is not merely semantics -- and you know it, so spare me your nonsense.

No lies.

Joe, why don't you ask the over thousand people dead if they feel there's a difference between breached and topped. No, wait, you can't, because they're dead.

The President was in a briefing before the fact where he was told that these people were in danger, and he later said that no one could have anticpated that danger. It was intellectually dishonest for the president to hide behind that bit of semantics by not invoking the precise method that led to over a thousand deaths, just as it is every bit as intellectually dishonest for you to do so now.

Shame on you, Joe.

 

[LuvDuke]

Joe, why don't you ask the over thousand people dead if they feel there's a difference between breached and topped. No, wait, you can't, because they're dead.

The President was in a briefing before the fact where he was told that these people were in danger, and he later said that no one could have anticpated that danger. It was intellectually dishonest for the president to hide behind that bit of semantics by not invoking the precise method that led to over a thousand deaths, just as it is every bit as intellectually dishonest for you to do so now.

Shame on you, Joe.

C'mon, these people have no shame. They talk about "we're at war and we're fighting terrorists, etc. and the only thing they're fighting with is a keyboard from a safe distance.

They have no problem telling a 12 year old girl who's been raped by her father "don't kill your child", but hey, don't expect any help from them.

They throw bricks at Clinton for his dalliance, but put Rudolph Giuliani, "swordsman" extraordinaire who's been married 3 times, on a pedestal.

Shame...............puhleeze, we're talking about the 36%, pardon me, 34% and dropping. And that is the unkindest cut of all.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

And least WE know who the enemy is, and WE support the mission of the troops.

No war is heaven; all war is hell. The terrorists declared war; WE are fighting back -- thank God.

more of the WE's from Joe. how many confirmed kills did you get today, Joe? how did you put YOUR life on the line today in the "War on Terror"? invading Iraq shouldn't have been the focal point in this effort. W just wanted to get "the man that tried to kill my daddy", and we found him in a hole under a mat in a farm. imagine if the same focus from the little tool W had been concentrated on Bin Laden.

 

[DisneyJen0504]

Considering that Ronald Reagan's approval ratings were at 35% at one point, Clinton's at 37%, I say, "so what"? Considering the fact that he takes an undeserved and unprecedented pounding from the press on an hourly basis, I think he is doing well at 36%. He doesn't care about polls, he cares about the American people.

He cares about the American people?

 

[Charade]

1) The Constitution is very clear that a warrant is required. The Fourth amendment states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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Then FISA is illegal because it allows warrentless searches. Oh wait, you can get one several days after the fact. Try that in criminal case.

 

[Charade]

He cares about the American people?

You think he doesn't? Proof?

 

[DisneyJen0504]

You think he doesn't? Proof?

The state of this country is proof enough imho.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Ok for everyone talking about Katrina, how about some facts? To someone who lives here there is a HUGE difference btw breech and tops. Do you want to know why the levee failed at the 17th street canal(the one a block from my grandparents home)? The Corps of Engineers didn't build it correctly. A support beam gave way that shouldn't have. The Govenor and the Mayor didn't even know when/how/ or why levees were failing and they were here, well the Mayor was, the Govenor was at home getting emails about what she should wear in the aftermath to look more commonly. So what more should the President have done? I would really like to know.

As for the thousands dead comment...honestly it was a tradgety that could've been better prevented had more people evacuated. I can gaurantee that at least 1/3 (and I am being generous) had the means to leave, but chose to "ride it out" instead. Maybe if the Mayor hadn't waited until the day before the storm to have a mandatory evacuation, the death toll would have been lower. Again what more could the President have done in this situation?

As for the recovery effort...it is slow but it is happening. The funds are coming, and we are rebuilding.

I really hate these types of threads, but as someone who is actually living here, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

You think he doesn't? Proof?

he's made it quite clear he doesn't believe in polls or reads any form of written word that comments on the job he's doing. that makes it pretty clear to me he doesn't care.

 

[Charade]

he's made it quite clear he doesn't believe in polls or reads any form of written word that comments on the job he's doing. that makes it pretty clear to me he doesn't care.

So in the last 2 weeks there have been 4 (or so) polls that all claim an "all time low" that aren't even the same number. How is this possible? And they just didn't keep getting lower and lower.

If you want to believe in polls, go ahead. I can make a poll produce a result to be anything I want. *IF* you ask the "right" questions or skew the polled group.