Boycotting the Oscars

[Snap Crackle Pop]

I think getting into college is very different than who makes it in the entertainment business. Actually there is an issue with college admissions right now but I won't go into my thoughts on that as I'm sure I'll get more points and get into to trouble. It all boils down to the fact that if race doesn't matter (like say for a college application) then why is it even considered? I always wondered why job applications, college applications, credit card applications etc have race as a question. Does it really matter if your son is Caucasian when he applies for college? Shouldn't it matter more what his grades are, extra curriculars, internships, etc are? A school application isn't the census and there could always be exit reviews from freshman year that ask about race so it never comes into play for admissions.

I get what the previous poster was trying to say but outside of Aloha I don't really think many of them got much publicity over the issues.

For me once you get into fantasy type situations where magic or fantasy is involved race shouldn't be a part of it. Now if you are making a movie about a WASP suburbs in the NE then yes race will probably be a certain way just the way it was with Straight Outta Compton. It wasn't a raciest decision just a reality decision that there were far more of one race than the other in crowd shots etc. However, if you base your t.v. show or movie in Manhattan it is hard to imagine that every single person in an office is a hot white person. It just isn't reality any more. I don't think I'm doing the best at explaining what is the issue. The issue isn't just the big roles but even the little ones.

Avatar was based on Asian culture though, and the people who created the show did extensive research on the Asian culture when it comes to behaviors, and postures and their beliefs. So yes, race should be part of it if a certain culture is a huge point of the show.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Why "of course"? If you know anything about the history of theater you would know that Shakespeare always used transgendered actors and he did all right getting his point across. As I mentioned there are times when race is an inherent feature such as in the case of a Othello who is defined as a Moor. However, I submit that it would be irrelevant if the head actress in "Bones" or the lead of 'Bourne Identity' was Asian, Indian or Aftican American. Occasionally it may in fact matter, but that's not what it sounded like to me from what I've read. And while we're on the subject of type I think it's ridiculous that all the women on TV have implants and it's not that there's anything wrong with it but seriously if you look at TV from the 80s women were natural and the world didn't end.

Shakespeare didn't "use transgendered actors," LOL, I think you meant to say that all actors of that period were male and so males played all parts. Two very different things! And also I have to LOL at the idea of actresses in the 1980s being "natural."

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I think the point is people are wrong when they say certain characters have to be played by specific ethnicities and/or races to make sense.

I don't think you can say definitely either way. Braveheart would have looked odd with Denzel Washington as William Wallace. Pretty Woman would still look right with Zoe Saldana in the Julia Roberts role though. It just depends.

All the Italians who used to be employed to play Native Americans in Westerns mostly looked terrible. It just depends.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Shakespeare didn't "use transgendered actors," LOL, I think you meant to say that all actors of that period were male and so males played all parts. Two very different things! And also I have to LOL at the idea of actresses in the 1980s being "natural."

What part is wrong on both accounts ? Have you gone back and watched anything from 80s because it was not 'in' then to have implants. Netflix has oodles and to be honest with you it's kind of interesting to see how weird entertainers have become. It was 'in' to be sickly thin and flat chested until Baywatch showed up and was a game changer. Also, 'trans' means moving (think "trans"portation, "trans"action, "trans"fer, Really it's a very very useful snippet of language) and gender is well gender so, funny as you may find it both are true.

 

[AustinTink]

Does it really matter if your son is Caucasian when he applies for college?

He's a minority, like his mother. Still doesn't matter because the competition is that fierce. He gets in or doesn't, life goes on. He did his best work. Such is life in college admissions as well as job hires in any industry... which includes entertainment. Do your best work, put it out there and keep your fingers crossed.

How many people are there on this planet? We all get everything we want? No. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

What part is wrong on both accounts ? Have you gone back and watched anything from 80s because it was not 'in' then to have implants. It was 'in' to be sickly thin and flat chested until Baywatch showed up and was a game changer. Also, trans means moving and gender is gender so, funny as you may find it both are true.

I believe it true Shakespeare's actors were simply all male, not truely transgender.

But, you're right about the implants. There were a TON of topless parts in the 80's movies & many of the women were naturally small chested. I just watched Fast Times At Ridgemont High recently, and that much was obvious.

 

[tvguy]

I won't be watching, but I never watch. The Oscars are just a big ad for movies. Some years it just seems like none of the nominated movies is worth any award.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

What part is wrong on both accounts ? Have you gone back and watched anything from 80s because it was not 'in' then to have implants. It was 'in' to be sickly thin and flat chested until Baywatch showed up and was a game changer. Also, trans means moving and gender is gender so, funny as you may find it both are true.

Because transgendered means something 100% wholly and completely different than a male actor playing a female role, particularly in an era where there is no other choice. It isn't any simpler or more complex than that.
You seem to think that not having implants implies that someone's looks are natural. I assure you, that wasn't true in the 1980s and it isn't true now. Nonetheless plenty of actresses in the 1980s had implants. They were just rarely the bolt-on type you see more often now. The surgery itself has changed a lot, but likely not the number of people who's livelihood depends on their appearances' willingness to get them.

 

[LuvOrlando]

The word trans means to move between the word gender means gender, if you move between genders -well that's what it is. I think it's safest to let the words mean what they mean and not assign anything more to it because it's delicate, sorry to deprive you of your dig but my usage is accurate

What do you mean by not natural? They likely shaved so is that what you disagree with? I think they looked fairly natural with normal teeth and all. Go back & look. If you still disagree ok then, I have no idea what you consider natural

 

[mom2rtk]

Movies rely upon the suspension of our disbelief. The more out of sync the casting, the harder it is to suspend our disbelief. Do people adopt kids of a different race? Of course they do. But if you casually cast someone's parents from a different race, it raises questions in the mind, questions that either need valuable screen time to answer, or questions that remain unanswered and interfere with that suspension of disbelief.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

The word trans means to move between the word gender means gender, if you move between genders -well that's what it is. I think it's safest to let the words mean what they mean and not assign anything more to it because it's delicate, sorry to deprive you of your dig but my usage is accurate

What do you mean by not natural? They likely shaved so is that what you disagree with? I think they looked fairly natural with normal teeth and all. Go back & look. If you still disagree ok then, I have no idea what you consider natural

and which dig was that?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Movies rely upon the suspension of our disbelief. The more out of sync the casting, the harder it is to suspend our disbelief. Do people adopt kids of a different race? Of course they do. But if you casually cast someone's parents from a different race, it raises questions in the mind, questions that either need valuable screen time to answer, or questions that remain unanswered and interfere with that suspension of disbelief.

Probably why you see more of that in TV than the movies. Movies have to tell a story beginning to end in a couple hours. No room for "distractions".

 

[LuvOrlando]

and which dig was that?

As a general rule unfounded criticisms with lol are not meant as a hug

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Ok laughing is a dig. Got it. And that's not "being delicate" but using accurate terminology is?
SMH at these distinctions.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Ruffalo's going now! (In support of victims of clergy sex abuse.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Oscars-boycott-lack-diversity-Hollywood.html

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Ruffalo's going now! (In support of victims of clergy sex abuse.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Oscars-boycott-lack-diversity-Hollywood.html

Thank goodness! That one was gonna keep me up at night!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What part is wrong on both accounts ? Have you gone back and watched anything from 80s because it was not 'in' then to have implants. Netflix has oodles and to be honest with you it's kind of interesting to see how weird entertainers have become. It was 'in' to be sickly thin and flat chested until Baywatch showed up and was a game changer. Also, 'trans' means moving (think "trans"portation, "trans"action, "trans"fer, Really it's a very very useful snippet of language) and gender is well gender so, funny as you may find it both are true.

So in Modern Times, was Robin Williams himself transgendered for playing Mrs Doubtfire, Hilary Swank herself for performing in Boys Don't Cry (she did arrive in character at her audition and was initially declined because they wanted a female for the role...), and the local community theater or school play where there aren't necessarily enough males so a female may step in--are they transgendered?

I don't know that you are using the term correctly at all given what we know about transgendered people today.

Could some have considered themselves transgendered? Sure. Does donning a dress to play Juliet make them automatically transgendered? No. Not any more than Mickey's friends at Disney are transgendered and trans-species.

It seems prudence would be required when discussing a time period when men had to play certain rules because women were prohibited from doing so.

 

[LuvOrlando]

So in Modern Times, was Robin Williams himself transgendered for playing Mrs Doubtfire, Hilary Swank herself for performing in Boys Don't Cry (she did arrive in character at her audition and was initially declined because they wanted a female for the role...), and the local community theater or school play where there aren't necessarily enough males so a female may step in--are they transgendered?

I don't know that you are using the term correctly at all given what we know about transgendered people today.

Could some have considered themselves transgendered? Sure. Does donning a dress to play Juliet make them automatically transgendered? No. Not any more than Mickey's friends at Disney are transgendered and trans-species.

It seems prudence would be required when discussing a time period when men had to play certain rules because women were prohibited from doing so.

Gadzooks, not following you down this rabbit hole- I am not Alice & am disinterested because I see nothing to be gained. This tangent adds nothing to the subject at hand and detracts from the issue of transgenders and the issue of prejudice. I'm staying on track

Current system bad, roles have always been muddy water, hope for change > moving on

 

[LuvOrlando]

Ok laughing is a dig. Got it. And that's not "being delicate" but using accurate terminology is?
SMH at these distinctions.[/QUOTE

Don't you find this a smidge off point? What are you doing?

 

[LuvOrlando]

I believe it true Shakespeare's actors were simply all male, not truely transgender.

But, you're right about the implants. There were a TON of topless parts in the 80's movies & many of the women were naturally small chested. I just watched Fast Times At Ridgemont High recently, and that much was obvious.

And how on earth would you know? They were men dressed as women, which is what it is. Eddie Izzard does the same and I have known others who claim it is separate from preference. Personally, I think it would be an inviting forum in those repressed times but by all means, prove it wasn't. Since you are so willing to contradict the motives on men dead hundreds of years ago go ahead and prove it. I'm all ears, I'd love to hear about the other outlets for men who liked to dress as females publicly back then

In the meantime things are very off the rails. I would really prefer sticking with today.

Personally, I'd be fine with transgenders taking female roles as long the whole thing is believable what does it matter. Same goes for mixing of race in roles etc