Boy, this guy makes me spit fire! (very long)

jan/cape

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I'll set this up by saying that I am a special education assistant at an elementary school.

We have a custodian(in his early to mid 60's) that has works at or school. He has been with us for about 2 1/2 or 3 years. He was like a breath of fresh air when he first started working there.
But slowly over time he is making me crazy!!

I can joke with the best of them and it really takes a lot to get me riled up. Last year he would say good morning to me every time he saw me and it progressed into "Good morning Mrs. ....." in a very icky way, and he would stop what ever he was doing to say it. even when I was bringing a class somewhere. So finally last May I said, " You need to stop saying good morning to me 17 times a day. You are bordering on harassment!"
He said, "I am not harassing you!"
To which I replied, "Well, That is how I feel. You can only say good morning to me once a day...in the morning."
He later stopped me in the hall and said in a very arogant way, "You and I know the minute you say harassment we will both be in trouble."
I was so angry i said to him, "There will be no WE in trouble" and I walked away......I wanted to say listen buster, you don't scare me. I may look like I'm 16, but I know how to stand up for myself!
After that I let it go. I had said what I needed to say, I addressed him first and the matter ended. He no longer spoke to me. Fine.

I worked at the school this summer at a 5 week camp they run, so I had to be around him for those 5 weeks. When I first saw him I sad hello And he was just a palin jerk and said, "Hello. Oh or is that harassment?" I said," Hey you need to get over it! I said what I had to say and it is now OVER!"

Well, over the past year I have also become increasingly uncomfortable with his interactions with the kids at school.
Our specialist classes (art, music, library, and gym)and cafeteria are close together. These classes change every 40 minutes.He seems to always be working in that area. He will stop his work to watch, or talk to the students. He will high five the students in the hall, or walk with them and chat if one has an errand to run.

Sept. of this year....
***We have 2 kindergarten students that do an extended day. They eat at a separate table with an adult at the same time first grade eats their lunch. (This custodian seems to always be in the caf. during the 1 1/2 hr lunch periods.) When ever the adult leaves the table to get something one of the students may need, he sits right down at the same table to eat and chat with them. UHG! Well, we solved that problem by placing these 2 students at the tables with the first graders.

*** October 11. I happened to have caf. duty that day. A second grade student was seated alone at a separate table for discipline reasons (No big deal, No big offense). Mr.... sat in the chair beside the student (with his own lunch)and started chatting. Well, I immediately went to the table.(I was close to running)and said," Mr.......He is on punishment and needs to be sitting by himself." He leaned nudged the boys arm and leaned into him and said something to the effect of ...is that so? I again said," he needs to be sitting by himself." Mr.... looked up at me. I again emphasized,"BY HIMSELF!!" at which point Mr.... picked up his lunch tray and went into the staff dining room.
Later in the day I went to our Assistant Principal with my "gut feeling and how uncomfortable I was with the custodian and gave him examples of my discomfort. He asked if I would put it in writing and I did. I was very careful with my words and tried to writ in a tone that expressed my discomfort and not in an attacking tone.
Well, I guess another teacher approached the A.P. the same day with similar complaints AND a parent had complained about how this custodian talked to some students in the bathroom.
I also later heard that someone else had filed an in house sexual harassment on him.
The A.P. spoke with this custodian. Custodian approached the complaining teacher and appologized and made some excuse as to why he did what he did.
He doesn't speak our even look in my direction when I am in the hall.
I DO NOT CARE AS I KNOW I DID THE RIGHT THING AND HE IS NOT GOING TO FOOL ME WITH HIS LITTLE EXCUSES!!!

The other morning he was standing behind the counter in the office greating people as if he was one of the office workers.....I just want to scream....." ARE YOU STUPID?!?!?"

What will it take to get rid of this guy?
So needless to say my eyes are on him and I will not hesitate to report him again!

All of our other custodians are wonderful! Very hard workers and they know the boundries of their jobs and the children.
Oh apparently he used to be a policeman to boot! I heard he was sort of forced to resign after women complined that he would not give them a ticket if they performes "favors" for him.
OH, I am just feeling so WILD right now!!!!!
 
Don't they have to do a background check on anyone who works in the school? How did this guy get a job there if he was let go from a police force for harassing women?

I would just stay clear of the guy and just let the AP or Principal know whenever he's behaving strangely.

Good luck, and good for you for keeping an eye on him. Hopefully someone will wise up and he won't be around the kids or you much longer.
 
Don't they have to do a background check on anyone who works in the school? How did this guy get a job there if he was let go from a police force for harassing women?

I would just stay clear of the guy and just let the AP or Principal know whenever he's behaving strangely.

Good luck, and good for you for keeping an eye on him. Hopefully someone will wise up and he won't be around the kids or you much longer.
 
That's horrible. There is no ideal situation at this point. If he cleans up his act, he's still going to make you and other people uncomfortable, no matter what he does. And it sounds like he'll need to have more complaints before he's let go. I guess it's best just to hope that there are other complaints but that he doesn't cause any lasting distress to any of the staff or students. {{{Hugs}}} I hope it comes to a good resolution soon.
 

Sounds like he's either one very friendly guy, or he's up to something. Maybe you could all get together and take the issue to the school board.
 
That's scary. I wish I had a clue how you could get rid of him.
 
Go to the school board with a petition and have them put him on night crew at the District offices. They may not be able to fire him but the can certainly force him to work a different shift or location.
 
You sound perfectly right to feel the way you do. If you get that icky feeling about him, you're probably right.

I work in an elementary school. The custodians are around the kids alot but not like you're describing. Go to the principal with your feelings. Please don't let it drop.
 
I am not sure what 'OFFICIAL' avenues that there are available to you. But, having read your concerns, then I would indeed take it further. Obviously, the Asst. Principal is not in any position of authority. Nor does he wish to do anything at all about this guy. ( The whole situation has NOTHING to do with the custodian giving an apology to a teacher, the STUDENTS are the issue here!)

I would indeed take it to the Principal, the Head of the school district, the School board, etc. Let everyone else you know and trust at your school know what your feelings are, and what you are doing. Apparantly, you are not the only one who has felt uncomfortable with this guy. Perhaps others will come forward as well. School employees should indeed have background checks. And, this should all be PUBLIC record, not too hard to check.

Also, in my experience, People like this, who have a lot to hide, do NOT want someone like you (somebody with their 'eyes open wide') looking over their shoulder. The first thing they do, and what he did to you, was make sure that you always want to turn and walk the other way when you see him. And, to put YOU on the defensive, when he is the one who should be. Like I said, I have experienced this, it is CLASSIC! What is also CLASSIC is his facade as a happy/chummy fellow. (You have obviously seen the REAL person....) Virtually all pedophiles use this as way to 'befriend' children, and then to get them to keep quiet.

Even the mere thought of what his motives and actions may be concerning the children makes my skin crawl! Scary..... Him in the kids bathrooms, access to kids personal info in the school files, etc.. etc.. Ugggghhhhh!!!

Good luck!
 
After everyone complained he should have been fired. That is to many people saying things for something not to be wrong.:(
 
Okay, me again...

I knew that there was one more point that I wanted to mention! After reading your post again, here it is.

Chatting one-on-one, High-fiving, walking 'together', etc... This is NOT a teacher having necessary discussions with a student. This guy is a custodian. This is most definately 'Fraternizing with students'. What is the School District policy on this??? Might be worth a double check.

Do not underestimate your gut reactions to this guy! You mentioned that " I may look 16, but.... " I can personally relate to you on this as well. I know personally how hard it can be to make a mature, strong, stand, when you feel as if others are relating to you based on physical looks. Do not even begin to deal with this guy on HIS level. He is not even worth crossing words with, (as you have described doing). Take your concerns to where they truly need to be addressed. The Superintendants Office, the School Board, etc.
 
Why does he have so much free time to be mingling with the kids so much?
 
DaisyDebbie,
Don't worry I will not let this drop. I watch him every day. I wiil go back to the A.P. and if I am still not satisfied I will go to the principal etc.

Wishing on a star, He was not in the files, The files are right there under the counter and it would be quite apparent if he were in them. But wouldn't you find it odd to have a custodian "manning" the counter in the office where one of the phones is and parents check in for different reasons?
The man just makes my skin crawl!

Someone has said to me that he once said," I make people feel good it's what I do. OH PLEASE:rolleyes
Now I am all charged up again and will have a hard time getting to sleep.
Thanks for all of your input and be assured I will not let this drop.
If I was working in your child's school wouldn't you want me to push the issue?
Krisu, mY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!
 
Originally posted by jan/cape

Thanks for all of your input and be assured I will not let this drop.
If I was working in your child's school wouldn't you want me to push the issue?

Yes. He should not be working around children.
 













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