BOA CC w/o SS#

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How is this possible? I just read where Bank of America will start providing CC's for $99 to account holders after three months of having a checking account with no overdraft, even if they had no ss# or credit history. They are going to provide these to individuals who are undocumented aliens who live in LA.

Wouldn't this mean that they would have to provide this to all people who wanted an account? They could not exclude anyone who asked, because doing so would be discriminatory (either national origin or race or color). This just looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen, if someone wants to open an account and does not want to provide a social security number.

Does anyone know any more about this?

Sharon
 
How is this possible? I just read where Bank of America will start providing CC's for $99 to account holders after three months of having a checking account with no overdraft, even if they had no ss# or credit history. They are going to provide these to individuals who are undocumented aliens who live in LA.

Wouldn't this mean that they would have to provide this to all people who wanted an account? They could not exclude anyone who asked, because doing so would be discriminatory (either national origin or race or color). This just looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen, if someone wants to open an account and does not want to provide a social security number.

Does anyone know any more about this?

Sharon

You might want to post this on the BUDGET BOARD Forum. Those DISer's really know all about this finance business!!! :thumbsup2
 
I don't see how it could work either. No social? How would you track people or know how risky they are? It just seems odd to me.
 
There was a trial program at 5 branches and they are expanding it to 51. On our local news they mentioned that the BOA did not plan to offer it here.

Hmmm...I agree the Budget Board folks will probably know how it works. Just seems impossible though, IMHO.

Sharon
 

No where else in the world would reward criminals but here in the US just to make a buck.

Lets not fool anyone this is just another way for the rich and powerful to get money out of them. They want them to stay Illegal so they don't have to pay a decent wage then they want them to go into dept with them to force the to work for those same pitiful wages.
 
How is this possible? I just read where Bank of America will start providing CC's for $99 to account holders after three months of having a checking account with no overdraft, even if they had no ss# or credit history. They are going to provide these to individuals who are undocumented aliens who live in LA.

Wouldn't this mean that they would have to provide this to all people who wanted an account? They could not exclude anyone who asked, because doing so would be discriminatory (either national origin or race or color). This just looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen, if someone wants to open an account and does not want to provide a social security number.

Does anyone know any more about this?

Sharon

Isn't it wonderful! Free money for whoever can't be traced and BOA customers, who are tracable, pay their bills and worry about their credit ratings can pay higher interest rates for the rest.
 
People open bank accounts all the time with no ss#. If you are here on a visa, you have to apply for the ss# in the mean time you are able to open a ck or sav acct only if you can provide proper identification, your passport, proper paperwork from you counsulte etc. etc. I am sure, boa isn't going to go around handing out cc to people they have no way of tracking down, and loosing millions of dollars in the process.
 
are you sure this isn't for a secured credit card?? Like, you give them $500, and then get a credit card with a $500 limit! :confused3
 
This type of account will be subject to a higher interest rate. Hey BOC saw an emerging market and did the capitalist thing. I heard the pizza chain that decided to accept Pesos is doing awesome. This may be unsavory to some people, but I can see the positive business side of things.
 
My guess is that it is either a prepaid cc or a debit/credit card type of thing. It would be a good way to make money "under the table" if you don't have to provide a social security number.
 
There is a big difference between not having a social security number and being somehow dishonest and untraceable.
We do not have social security numbers, or any intention of getting them, but we manage to run US bank accounts, credit and debit cards, utility company accounts, pay our US income and property taxes, all without any problems.

ford family
 
No where else in the world would reward criminals but here in the US just to make a buck.

Lets not fool anyone this is just another way for the rich and powerful to get money out of them. They want them to stay Illegal so they don't have to pay a decent wage then they want them to go into dept with them to force the to work for those same pitiful wages.

That's how I viewed it. I have believed for a long time that there are those in politics and business who have a vested interest in a permanent "underclass" that is dependent on them. If the businessman keeps the illegals illegal, he can prey on their fear of deportation, pay them low wages and avoid labor laws and he makes tons of money. If the politician keeps poor people dependent on them for welfare payments, housing and food stamps, those same folks will continue to vote for them and he stays in office. Helping those people become independent isn't in the best interest of those folks.
 
You know--I was ready to be upset about this...but on our news last night..the statement from BOA was that they still must comply with the Patriot Act.

Also law does not require them to check...I forget...basically "status"---just that you can prove who you say you are.

In lieu of a SSN, something else was required, but I forget what that was.

But since they don't double check your information...it really is no different.

I have since gotten confused on how this ties specifically to illegal immigrants.

***It only requires 20% to be "secure"...so $99 is secured...the rest up to $500 is the credit line.
 
How is this possible? I just read where Bank of America will start providing CC's for $99 to account holders after three months of having a checking account with no overdraft, even if they had no ss# or credit history. They are going to provide these to individuals who are undocumented aliens who live in LA.

Wouldn't this mean that they would have to provide this to all people who wanted an account? They could not exclude anyone who asked, because doing so would be discriminatory (either national origin or race or color). This just looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen, if someone wants to open an account and does not want to provide a social security number.

Does anyone know any more about this?

Sharon

I opened bank accounts as a child without a SSN.

The statement from BOA was that SSN or something else was required and they MUST comply with the Patriot Act. I don't recall what that something else was and things have changed since I was a kid.

My friend from Wales and her (now former) non-hubby boyfriend person....when he was working her for his company...they had an American bank account WITHOUT a SSN. But they had whatever they needed to open the account. And they were here legally.:confused3
 
The reason some people here are upset is that one of the allowable IDs apparently is a card from the Mexican government, which means this card can be obtained by people here illegally.

Many of us opened bank accounts with no SS number when we were children. Our parents also claimed us on their taxes. The rules have changed.
 
The reason some people here are upset is that one of the allowable IDs apparently is a card from the Mexican government, which means this card can be obtained by people here illegally.

Many of us opened bank accounts with no SS number when we were children. Our parents also claimed us on their taxes. The rules have changed.

Hmmm, interesting.
So, when we can open our bank accounts without social security numbers by using an allowable ID, a card from the British Government (passport), that could upset people "here" because we could be in the US illegally?
Or does that conclusion only get jumped to for certain nationalities?

ford family
 
The reason some people here are upset is that one of the allowable IDs apparently is a card from the Mexican government, which means this card can be obtained by people here illegally.

Many of us opened bank accounts with no SS number when we were children. Our parents also claimed us on their taxes. The rules have changed.

My friends from Wales had a bank account LEGALLY in the US. This was post-9/11.

In theory--anyone who can prove their identity...and I suppose maybe require a US address--not sure on that one....can have a bank account in the US.

So no--the rules have not changed with exception of the Patriot Act.


While I am no fan of illegal immigration....it is fishy with how this "breaking news" is being presented.

Nowhere in the Patriot ACt does it say a SSN is required of a Non-US citizen or that the person be a US citizen. There is no reason to believe there will be a sudden rash of illegal immigrants applying for bank accounts as documentation is STILL required. That has not changed.:


http://www.gcglaw.com/resources/financial/identification.html

USA Patriot Act Requires Banks To Implement Customer Identification Programs
May 2003

By Susan B. Hollinger*

The Department of the Treasury, together with the federal banking agencies (Agencies), have issued their jointly adopted final rule (Rule) to implement section 326 of the USA Patriot Act of 2001.

That Act requires banks to implement a customer identification program (CIP) when accounts are opened. The CIP requires, at a minimum, reasonable procedures for

(i) verifying the identity of any person seeking to open an account;

(ii) maintaining records of the information used to verify the person’s identity; and

(iii) determining whether the person appears on any lists of known or suspected terrorists provided to the financial institution by any government agency.


Although the Rule is effective as of May 30, 2003, the final compliance date for banks to implement a CIP is October 1, 2003 to allow time for banks to revise existing account opening policies and procedures, obtain board approval, train staff, update forms, purchase customer verification software and purchase new equipment for storing records.

What is Covered under Rule
The Rule applies to those accounts, both consumer and commercial, in which a formal banking relationship has been established. Infrequent transactions, such as an occasional wire transfer, are not considered accounts under the Rule. The Rule contains a “transfer exception” which excludes from the definition of accounts those accounts a bank acquires through an acquisition, merger, purchase of assets or assumption of liabilities from a third party. The Rule defines “customer” to mean a person that opens a new account. “Customer” does not include a signatory to an account, nor certain readily identifiable entities, such as publicly traded companies, but only to the extent of their domestic operations. However, the requirements of the Act are merely minimum requirements. A bank should include in its CIP those situations when it needs to take additional steps to verify the identity of a non-individual customer, including seeking information on individuals who control an account, such as signatories.

Customer Identification Program Requirements
The Rule requires that a bank’s CIP contain procedures that specify the identifying information that the bank must obtain from each customer prior to opening an account. These include name, date of birth (for an individual), address and identification number. However, based upon an assessment of risks, a bank may require a customer to provide additional information to establish the customer’s identity in order for the bank to establish a reasonable belief it knows the true identity of the customer.

The Rule provides that a bank generally must obtain a residential or business street address for a customer who is an individual. The Agencies felt that it was important for law enforcement agencies to be able to contact a customer at a physical location. The Rule contains limited exceptions for individuals who cannot readily provide a physical address, allowing, for example, a bank to obtain an Army Post Office box number, or the residential or business street address of next of kin.

The Rule requires banks to obtain an identification number from every customer opening an account. For U.S. persons, that identifying number must be a social security number or a taxpayer identification number (TIN). There are no exceptions. Agency guidance on the implementation of the Rule has indicated that even members of sects, such as the Amish, that do not want to be identified by a number, still will be required to provide a social security number at account opening. As to the timing of obtaining the identification number, the Rule provides that in those circumstances in which a person has applied for, but has not yet received a TIN, a bank’s CIP may provide for procedures to confirm that the TIN has been applied for and that the TIN is received within a reasonable period of time after the account is opened.

Because there is no uniform identification number that non-U.S. persons are able to provide to a bank, a bank has the option to obtain a variety of identification numbers from non-U.S. persons, including passport numbers and country of issuance and alien identification numbers. A bank must decide for itself, based upon appropriate risk factors, whether the information presented by the customer enables the bank to establish a reasonable belief that it knows the true identity of the customer.

The Rule requires that bank’s CIP contain procedures for identity verification. Verification may be through such things as an unexpired driver’s license or passport. For an entity, verification may include things such as certified articles of incorporation, a partnership agreement or a trust instrument. For those accounts that are opened by telephone, mail or over the Internet, a CIP must contain procedures that describe the methods the bank will use to verify identification. Acceptable verification methods include contacting a customer, or independently verifying the customer’s identity by comparing information provided by the customer with that obtained from a consumer reporting agency.

Recordkeeping and Record Retention Requirements
CIPs must include procedures for making and maintaining a record of the identifying information, a description of any documents relied upon (including type of document, identification number, place of issuance, and if any, date of issuance and expiration date) a description of the methods used to verify the identity and a description of the resolution of any discrepancy. The identifying information must be retained for five years after the date the account is closed, or in the case of credit card accounts, five years after the account is closed or becomes dormant. All other information required by the CIP must be retained for five years after the record is made.

Comparing with Government Lists of Known or Suspected Terrorists
CIPs must include procedures for determining whether the customer appears on any list of known or suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations issued by any Federal government agency within a reasonable time after the account is opened, if not earlier required by another Federal law or directive. The Agencies have noted that lists that banks must check in order to comply with this provision have not yet been designated, and therefore, as yet, banks do not have an affirmative duty to seek out all lists of known or suspected terrorists for purposes of their CIP. Banks will receive notification by way of separate Agency guidance regarding the lists to be consulted.

*Susan B. Hollinger is admitted in New Hampshire and Massachusetts.


I am curious of where the evidence is that this is catering to the Illegal population....b/c BOA by its own admission states that they are still compelled by law to follow the requirements of the Patriot Act.
 
My original point was not a legal v. illegal customer issue, it was that BOA could subject itself to a claim of discrimination if they require some customers to provide SSN/credit report, while others have absolutely nothing but a simple card readily purchased from a consulate with very little documentation required. Remember how banks were sued (and rightfully so) for making loans more difficult for some (based on race, etc.) than others? This would be akin to that.

Today everyone (if a US citizen, no matter what your age) has a SSN to open an account; those days of being a child and opening one under a parent's SSN have been over for years, basically because kids must have a SSN to be a deduction on their parents' tax return. My point was not the legal status of the individual (although National origin is one of the Title VII bases of Discrimination); it was the difference in providing a service to those without a SSN or credit report, but at the same time requiring those same articles of identification from others. An unsecured cc is not automatically provided all customers; thus, unless BOA makes that same process available to everyone, there is a problem.

That was what I wondered about: how was BOA going to "fix" an apparent discrepancy in services based on discriminatory criteria?

Sharon
 


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