Blu-Ray versus DVD

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Okay, go with this for a bit... it gets a little technical... (and if you don't have an HDTV, then you probably won't find any of this interesting at al...)

Most folks know that there is a new disc technology, for viewing movies and such at home, portending to replace DVD, called Blu-Ray (or BD, for "Blu-ray Disc"). There are advantages of BD over DVD. CNET provided a good summary. (LINK)

The most obvious advantage is that BD supports the higher resolution of HD while DVD supports, at best, "EDTV", something twice as good as the old analog video (480p instead of 480i), but only about a quarter as good as what BD can provide. Note that BD provides video that is a certain amount better than HD from television networks.

Do keep in mind though this complication: Most newer DVD players, and most BD players, will actually "up-convert" DVDs to HD. This won't actually make DVDs HD, of course, but it will make them look a lot better on your HDTV. So there really aren't two choice here (BD versus DVD), but rather three ([1] BD, [2] DVD, and [3] DVD played on an up-converting player, either a up-converting DVD player or a BD player.)

BD also supports the newest audio formats, while the best DVD can do is Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound. BD also is a bit more software-driven, so a BD can have some neater special features than DVD.

With regard to price, taking the Disney film Bolt as an example, the DVD costs $28, BD costs $35. [Source: Disney.] Cars is $15 for the DVD, and $19.50 for the BD. [Source: Amazon.com.] Rental services generally charge a premium for renting BDs; Netflix charges $17 per month for 3 DVDs at a time; but $21 per month if you want to rent BDs as well/instead.

In the "video enthusiast" forums, as you can well imagine, BD is highly favored. There is practically no question, there, that BD is "worth" it. One of the best things about the DIS boards, though, is that while it still represents a biased sample of people, for things like this, it does tend to better reflect the average viewers' perspective than the "video enthusiast" forums. So I'm wondering what DISers make of the BD versus DVD issue.

So, assuming you don't have a BD player, how do you know whether it is worth it to you? Well, each of us will have our own way of deciding, and really the manner of deciding isn't important; what is important is what we decide. For me personally, I've seen BD in showrooms, and I have an HDTV so I can get a pretty good idea how good BD would be by figuring it will be a certain amount better than HD television channels.

The big question, now, is whether BD is going to "take off", like DVD did. My contention is that it probably won't. DVD had competitive advantages (over VHS tapes) that BD simply does not have (over DVD). The advantages of BD are simply too subtle (appealing mostly only to the "enthusiast") as compared to how apparent the advantages of DVD (over VHS) were. That doesn't mean that I'm never going to get a BD player. (I probably will, since they're getting relatively inexpensive now, and I'm the kind of person who gets new technology sooner than later.) However, given the price difference, I'm unlikely to buy BDs, and I may or may not even see fit to pay the surcharge for renting them. (Okay, to be honest, for $4 a month, I probably will, but that's still me, eh? :))

So where to you stand with regard to this? Are you going to stick with DVD, relying either on how good DVD is now, or relying on up-conversion? Or have you switched/are you aiming to switch to BD?
 
We've already switched to BD, about 7 months ago. We do see a difference in the picture quality and a superior difference in our surround sound. Also, I can actually notice a difference in picture and sound with regular DVD's on the BD player. That being said, I've also noticed that we don't buy movies as often as we did prior to having the BD player b/c of price I assume, but when we do buy movies they are always BD now. I think you're probably right about BD taking off, if it were, it probably already would have b/c it's been around a couple of yrs now. I'm comparing this on BD to DVD only, not HDTV b/c we don't subscribe to HDTV channels so obviously I don't know what our HDTV looks like in HD :rotfl: But that is a whole other story.

Isn't it kind of early for this type of technical questioning? :laughing: J/K
 
We've already switched to BD, about 7 months ago. We do see a difference in the picture quality and a superior difference in our surround sound. Also, I can actually notice a difference in picture and sound with regular DVD's on the BD player.
So then, how would you compare the significance of the difference between DVDs played on your BD player with BDs played on your BD player?

Regarding audio, I had thought you needed a special sound system to take advantage of BD's enhanced sound capabilities. Did you upgrade your sound system, or did you already have a better one? (Or alternatively, did you not have DD5.1 before?)

Isn't it kind of early for this type of technical questioning? :laughing: J/K
Depends on when you wake up. :) Folks here may note I sometimes can be caught posting a 3AM.... :rolleyes1
 
The difference between DVD's on the BD player and BD on the BD player:
With DVD's we can see things in the picture that we couldn't see on a DVD player. The BD player brings out an incredible amount of detail in normal DVD's. These are the same DVD's we were playing on our HDTV prior to getting BD player, so it must come from the BD player.

Audio, we've had our Kenwood DD 5.1 for probably 7-8 yrs, but as new technology came out we upgraded with cables and optics, but that's all, no major upgrading or anything special for the BD player.

Maybe its just too early for MY brain to think this technically or I'm just a few cups of coffee short :thumbsup2
 

i had no interest in blu-ray but in the course of buying our new hdtv i haggled the sales guy into bundling it with calibration, a blu-ray player, 2 blu-ray movies and sales tax for over a hundred less than the sales price the tv alone was going for (and it was the lowest price i had found in researching the model). so we ended up with it.

that said-we've played dvds on it and blu-rays and i believe the picture quality is better with the blu-rays. as for the price of the blu-ray discs to purchase, with several releases we gotten in addition to the blu-ray disc there's a dvd (disney's bedtime stories for example) so for the $29 i payed for it i ended up with a dvd the kids can watch in their rooms (or in the portable player or laptop on vacation) while my blu-ray copy can stay safely in the case:thumbsup2

we did'nt buy the model able to do this but i would think there might be an appeal to some video junkies for the type of blu-ray that netflix has contracted with such that instead of receiving your movies through the mail they can be immediatly downloaded to the player for movies on demand.
 
We have no plans to 'upgrade' to BD. Years ago, I was an audio 'geek' and studied specs, did blind A/B tests, had 'audition only' albums/CDs. When we purchased a plasma HDTV 18 months ago, I did my technical research and chose a 720p over a 1080i ($$ was a factor also). It is fine and when I see other, newer flat screen HDTVs, I still think that our is as good as good or better.

What I'm trying to get at is that at this point in life, content is more important to me than technology. My main audio system still includes a Technics 'keyboard type' 3 head cassette deck and Luxman tuner. I love it and have no plans to 'upgrade' that either.
 
I consider myself a pretty average Jane with a mighty frugal streak. My DH is a "techie", his profession is IT Management, and he always wants the latest and greatest gadgets. I put him off for years (literally) before agreeing to spend big bucks on a 52" HDTV with all the bells and whistles about a year ago.

Then came the discussion about how we (ie HE) need a Blue Ray player. For us, we decided to get the Playstation 3 gaming system (which doubles as a blue ray player) - so the playstation was only a bit more expensive than Blue Ray players alone (we felt like we were getting 2 for 1) - because DH occassionally plays video games.

I give all that background to say this - I never imagined how much I would love the HD television and for me the Blue Ray is the way to go. As cheap as I am I would suggest spending the extra money and getting the blue ray - the difference is incredible.

For what it is worth, when DH would take me to the store and show me HD tvs or the beautiful Blue Ray playing on it; I never really noticed a big difference in quality etc. Now that it is in my house, we don't even watch the "old" style tv in our bedroom - it looks so grainy and bleh. Which of course before last June I thought it was perfectly fine....

As with anything, it is in the eye of the beholder and individuals will decide what works best for their family's situation but for my money Blue Ray is worth every penny and I would highly recommend it to anyone. Our first Blue Ray purchase was Planet Earth series and to see the shark jump out of the water is incredible - you can see each individual droplet of water. AWESOME
 
By default, we had a Blu-ray player when we purchased our PS3. (Gaming nut here, LOL).

We do own and HDTV, and I rather enjoy the better quality of the Blu-ray disks. However, with that said, I do not feel the extra quality is worth the extra cost of the disks at this time. I also feel Blu-ray is not going to "take off", until the cost of the movies is the same as regular DVD. It's just not that much better, IMHO of course.

Now, again, with that said, I buy most of my movies on line from Amazon, or at Best Buy when the new release specials are done. My basic current strategy is to buy the Blu-ray version, IF, it also offers a copy of the standard DVD in the box as many of the Disney movies do. My main reason for this is that I like to be able to take the moves along on car trips, and having ONLY the Blu-ray does not allow me to do that; yet at least. Also, when the kids have sleepovers and stuff at the in-laws, they do not have a Blu-ray player yet.

Final thoughts? I think Blu-ray will stick around, and I do enjoy it, but I think it is going to take a while to really catch on with the masses.

Warning - Pet Peeve ahead, LOL: Why oh why do companies insist on releasing OLD movies, i.e. anything from say the 90's on back, on BD? Do they really think people are THAT stupid? ;)
 
Warning - Pet Peeve ahead, LOL: Why oh why do companies insist on releasing OLD movies, i.e. anything from say the 90's on back, on BD? Do they really think people are THAT stupid? ;)


What's wrong with obtaining great old movies in Hi-def? I can barely stomach the new movies coming out these days so it is nice to get my fix with my favourites from yesteryear. I mean, the Adventures of Robin Hood is one of my all time favourite movies, and in Blu-ray it just absolutely shines. It is a miracle to get such clarity and detail in a movie from 1938. Since movies are shot on film, they transcend concepts such as definition and pixel count. With a good mastering process, blu-rays can almost present you with a cinema experience of these classic movies. The bigger the tv, the more bang for the buck you are getting.

I think blu-ray is going to be here until discs are done. Since Blu-ray is backwards compatible, standard dvd players will slowly disappear. Now, the cost of the movie's themselves is a big problem and I only buy sparingly. With this economy and the high cost it seems like a pipe dream to get standard DVD sales numbers.
 
What I'm trying to get at is that at this point in life, content is more important to me than technology. My main audio system still includes a Technics 'keyboard type' 3 head cassette deck and Luxman tuner. I love it and have no plans to 'upgrade' that either.

drool
 
So then, how would you compare the significance of the difference between DVDs played on your BD player with BDs played on your BD player?

Regarding audio, I had thought you needed a special sound system to take advantage of BD's enhanced sound capabilities. Did you upgrade your sound system, or did you already have a better one? (Or alternatively, did you not have DD5.1 before?)

Depends on when you wake up. :) Folks here may note I sometimes can be caught posting a 3AM.... :rolleyes1

Yeah, I am no expert on this stuff but I think the BD needs new gen decoders to handle the high-def audio streams...they still come with normal dolby digital/dts streams and 2 channel of course, so they will play on anything. I have never heard the high-def audio, so I can't comment on its value.
 
Yes, blu-ray will eventually take over.
But it will take awhile. Like you said, the difference between DVD and BD is not as big as the difference between VHS and DVD, so not as many people will be rushing out to buy a BD player.

Going from VHS to DVD, you notice a big improvement, no matter what kind of TV you have. But with DVD to BD, how much improvement you notice depends on what kind of TV you have.

For instance, on a 30" 720p LCD, watching from 8 feet away, you aren't going to notice much difference(if any) between DVD and BD. But on a 60" 1080p LCD, the improvement will be very clear. I've got an LCD projector and a 120" screen and the difference between DVD and BD is very obvious. I watched 300 and was simply blown away by the clarity. In the opening scene with the snow, you could see every snowflake.

So as prices go down, more and more people are going to be buying bigger 1080p TV's. And as more people own TV's that can take advantage of the BD resolution, more people will be switching to BD.
 
Yes, blu-ray will eventually take over.
But it will take awhile. Like you said, the difference between DVD and BD is not as big as the difference between VHS and DVD, so not as many people will be rushing out to buy a BD player.

Going from VHS to DVD, you notice a big improvement, no matter what kind of TV you have. But with DVD to BD, how much improvement you notice depends on what kind of TV you have.

For instance, on a 30" 720p LCD, watching from 8 feet away, you aren't going to notice much difference(if any) between DVD and BD. But on a 60" 1080p LCD, the improvement will be very clear. I've got an LCD projector and a 120" screen and the difference between DVD and BD is very obvious.

So as prices go down, more and more people are going to be buying bigger 1080p TV's. And as more people own TV's that can take advantage of the BD resolution, more people will be switching to BD.


Good points about the size...I just wonder if BD has the time needed to gain market share. There is a lot of competition on the horizon with direct streaming video and the like.

I am always going to be partial to owning my media on a hard media versus digitally storing it over a network....I just don't know if everyone feels that way. Would you rather own the movie with a nice case and shiny disc? Or is streaming it over the net good enough?
 
What's wrong with obtaining great old movies in Hi-def? I can barely stomach the new movies coming out these days so it is nice to get my fix with my favourites from yesteryear. I mean, the Adventures of Robin Hood is one of my all time favourite movies, and in Blu-ray it just absolutely shines. It is a miracle to get such clarity and detail in a movie from 1938. Since movies are shot on film, they transcend concepts such as definition and pixel count. With a good mastering process, blu-rays can almost present you with a cinema experience of these classic movies. The bigger the tv, the more bang for the buck you are getting.

I think blu-ray is going to be here until discs are done. Since Blu-ray is backwards compatible, standard dvd players will slowly disappear. Now, the cost of the movie's themselves is a big problem and I only buy sparingly. With this economy and the high cost it seems like a pipe dream to get standard DVD sales numbers.

What I meant regarding older movies, is that in most cases, they do nothing to them. They simply throw them on a BD and sell it at some obscene price.

Take even some of the Disney releases of older films. Watch the Blu-Ray version, and then watch the "regular DVD" that has been enhanced, fixed, color corrected and all that. If you can really see a difference, your eyes are MUCH better than mine.

Now, if they charged for these "older" movies what they should, I might not have such an issue with it. I just hate being gouged.
 
What I meant regarding older movies, is that in most cases, they do nothing to them. They simply throw them on a BD and sell it at some obscene price.

Take even some of the Disney releases of older films. Watch the Blu-Ray version, and then watch the "regular DVD" that has been enhanced, fixed, color corrected and all that. If you can really see a difference, your eyes are MUCH better than mine.

Now, if they charged for these "older" movies what they should, I might not have such an issue with it. I just hate being gouged.


Ahh, I see what your saying. Yeah, some of the re-issues are suspect for sure. I always read reviews before dropping the money on these things...that's for sure.

Disney animated titles have been pretty solid across the board, but I haven't checked out all of them. Sleeping Beauty is one that is definitely worth the expense...
 
Good points about the size...I just wonder if BD has the time needed to gain market share. There is a lot of competition on the horizon with direct streaming video and the like.

I am always going to be partial to owning my media on a hard media versus digitally storing it over a network....I just don't know if everyone feels that way. Would you rather own the movie with a nice case and shiny disc? Or is streaming it over the net good enough?

True. I guess it's a question of whether streaming will really take off before BD has surpassed DVD.

I don't buy a lot of movies because there just aren't that many that I want to watch more than once. But for those that I do want to own, I definitely prefer having a disc. It feels much more self-sufficient.
 
True. I guess it's a question of whether streaming will really take off before BD has surpassed DVD.

I don't buy a lot of movies because there just aren't that many that I want to watch more than once. But for those that I do want to own, I definitely prefer having a disc. It feels much more self-sufficient.

Exactly...I always have this suspicion that I will spend considerable amounts of money for a digital copy that is stored on someone else's harddrive in some far away city, suddenly going poof...sorry, we had to file for bankruptcy....
 
Ahh, I see what your saying. Yeah, some of the re-issues are suspect for sure. I always read reviews before dropping the money on these things...that's for sure.

Disney animated titles have been pretty solid across the board, but I haven't checked out all of them. Sleeping Beauty is one that is definitely worth the expense...

I hear you on Sleeping Beauty, and yeah, I folded and bought that one on BD. :goodvibes

Disney is the one company that seems to actually use this stuff to it potential, and I really like that they offer the package with both the BD and the standard for almost everything. (Again, for those car trips, as well as the kids rooms).
 
DH is a home theater snob, but we waited until Blu0Ray emerged as the winner before getting a player and even then it was a PS3 to boot. I find the quality is better and we are not replacing our DVD collection, but we are making all future movie purchases on BD. I think the sound is better, too.

I know BDs cost a little more right now, but they will come down in price. That's inevitable with any technology. If that's the only thing holding you back, don't let it.
 
I got DH a Blue-Ray player for Christmas. We started ordering BR disks from Net-Flex and really could not tell much of a difference, even though we had a HD TV.

About 6 weeks ago, we went out and bought a new flat screen TV. What a difference it made. Our older TV was "okay" but we bought it before better products were made and sold at a reasonable price.

We will continue to order Blue Ray from Net-Flex, however, we never acctually buy them.

Karen
 












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