beginners, where to start

I have been into photography for a while, but never owned an SLR or dSLR. I would like to be able to take better pictures than my PnS will allow. My question is, what would you recommend as a good camera for a beginner? My photos will typically be of my my family, or on vacation. I was looking at a Rebel xti or a Nikon D40X

I'd check ebay or your local photo shops for used gear. There will probably be some Rebel XT or XTi's available for a better price. Either from those who are anticipating the new Rebel XT series model or from unwanted Christmas presents.
 
Even though I have a canon XT, I have to honestly say that most entry level dSLR will serve your needs. There really aren't that many "bad cameras" out there. If you had plans of becoming a serious hobbyist or semi-pro, that would be a different story. In that case, there might be specific cameras that would meet your needs better.

The two things I would suggest is going into an actual camera shop and hold a few cameras in your hands. They feel much bigger than PnS cameras so getting one that feels right to you is important. The other thing is to think about is how important is image stabilization to you? That is probably the biggest difference between entry level dSLR's. Some have IS built into the camera and others have it built into the lenses. Most lenses that come with the camera will not have IS, so if you want/need it, you have to get a different lens if you don't have IS built into the body.

And last but not least, be prepared to either start spending some money or join a support group. Only a few people have the will power to resist the urge to start buying accessories. A lot of people start with a new bag, more memory cards and extra batteries. Then you move up to a new low light prime lens, and a longer zoom lens. Then you need an add on flash and a bigger bag to hold all your stuff. Then you get so many photos on your hard drive that you need some better software to manage/edit your pictures. Then you want to try some new things and you decide you need a tripod and remote shutter release. Then you learn about RAW and need some more memory cards for the larger file size. Then you want a better/faster walk-around lens and maybe some polarizer filters. But wide angle looks fun so you need either an ultra wide angle or fish eye lens. Then you need not a second, but a third hard drive for storing your photos, and a new DVD burner because you wore out your old one. You have also some how accumulated a battery grip, monopod, sensor cleaner and portrait prime. You then make a deal with your wife that she can get the new living room furniture if you can have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L. You keep thinking about some big strobes (those alien bee's are very tempting) but you manage to control yourself and not actually buy it, just put it on your wish list. Then you sell your soul to your photography hobby and finally get a photographer's vest. After that, who are you really fooling? You're addicted.

***Any resemblance to any person either living or dead in the above autobiographical narrative is purely coincidental.
 
I'm a beginner. I purchased the Pentax K110 and absolutely LOVE it. I've had it for almost a year now and have not regretted my decision once. The camera is easy to use- it's simple to change settings and it's just as easy to use as a point and shoot (although a bit larger!)

My dbf has the D40 and I like it but I like the feel of the Pentax better (although I'll borrow his camera any day :rotfl: ).

Definitely go and hold cameras. Make sure that they have batteries in them (my pentax takes 4 AA batteries which adds to the weight). Make sure the grip is comfortable. I can't stand my dad's camera which I believe is a Rebel because of my funky grip on it. It's definitely a personal preference.
 
My dbf has the D40 and I like it but I like the feel of the Pentax better (although I'll borrow his camera any day :rotfl: ).

Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!
 

I am the kind of person that could go back and forth FOREVER and never make a final decision. I have now turned my eye towards a Sony A100 or A200. This is only my first camera so I don't need anything extravagant. And I know as soon as I buy one I will be saving up for a new one lol. I'm a slave to electronic devices :sad2:
 
I'm trying to decide between the D40 and D40x for an amatuer is the extra pixels worth the cost. Also Fan1080 what problems do you have with the autofocus. Is this a major problem with the camera. I thought the autofocus was in the lenese on the D40.
 
I'm trying to decide between the D40 and D40x for an amatuer is the extra pixels worth the cost. Also Fan1080 what problems do you have with the autofocus. Is this a major problem with the camera. I thought the autofocus was in the lenese on the D40.

There are not problems with the AF in that camera. It is just that many lenses still rely on the motor in the body, which is not there on the D40, D40x, or D60. There are plenty of lenses that have the AF in-lens, but the big hang up for many is no cheap wide aperture prime. There is a third party ~30mm f/1.8 I believe, but if I remember correctly, it is something like 3-4x $$$ than the popular 50mm f/1.8 by Nikon that will not AF.

Kevin
 
Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!

This comparison is a little tricky right now. The comparable Pentax to the D40 is long gone. They pretty much sold out about a month ago and now the new version (K200D) is starting to show up. The thing is that the new Pentax is still full list price, but that should not last long.

As for a comparison between the D40 and Pentax K100D, I say the K100D wins simply b/c of the no focus motor issue and the in-body IS on it. Otherwise, they are very comparable feature wise. For size, the D40 is smaller and I personally do not like that small feel. BTW, I do not have large hands.

Kevin
 
This comparison is a little tricky right now. The comparable Pentax to the D40 is long gone.

I correct myself. The K100D/K100D Super are still available, but pretty much at full list price places like Ritz. Walmart has a decent deal on it, but not near what they were going for during the holiday season.
 
So tonight for my birthday my mom gave me a Pentax K100D! :cool1:


I'm pretty excited to use it.

Happy Birthday!

Do you know what the best DSLR is... the one you do not have to buy! Congratulations on joining the Pentax family. I am sure you are going to love it. I am extremely happy with my K100D. It sounds like you now have money for lenses! If you like low light shooting, check out the SMC-FA 50mm /1.4.

Kevin
 
Happy Birthday!

Do you know what the best DSLR is... the one you do not have to buy! Congratulations on joining the Pentax family. I am sure you are going to love it. I am extremely happy with my K100D. It sounds like you now have money for lenses! If you like low light shooting, check out the SMC-FA 50mm /1.4.

Kevin


Thanks! I definitely have to invest in a low light lens. I hope to get some good practice at m son's birthday party Thursday (our birthdays are 3 days apart lol)
 
So tonight for my birthday my mom gave me a Pentax K100D! :cool1:


I'm pretty excited to use it.

ummmm congrats.. tell your mom my birthday was on the 10th, it's not to late for her to buy me a present....Sony A700 in case she needs any ideas...LOL
 
Even though I have a canon XT, I have to honestly say that most entry level dSLR will serve your needs. There really aren't that many "bad cameras" out there. If you had plans of becoming a serious hobbyist or semi-pro, that would be a different story. In that case, there might be specific cameras that would meet your needs better.

The two things I would suggest is going into an actual camera shop and hold a few cameras in your hands. They feel much bigger than PnS cameras so getting one that feels right to you is important. The other thing is to think about is how important is image stabilization to you? That is probably the biggest difference between entry level dSLR's. Some have IS built into the camera and others have it built into the lenses. Most lenses that come with the camera will not have IS, so if you want/need it, you have to get a different lens if you don't have IS built into the body.

And last but not least, be prepared to either start spending some money or join a support group. Only a few people have the will power to resist the urge to start buying accessories. A lot of people start with a new bag, more memory cards and extra batteries. Then you move up to a new low light prime lens, and a longer zoom lens. Then you need an add on flash and a bigger bag to hold all your stuff. Then you get so many photos on your hard drive that you need some better software to manage/edit your pictures. Then you want to try some new things and you decide you need a tripod and remote shutter release. Then you learn about RAW and need some more memory cards for the larger file size. Then you want a better/faster walk-around lens and maybe some polarizer filters. But wide angle looks fun so you need either an ultra wide angle or fish eye lens. Then you need not a second, but a third hard drive for storing your photos, and a new DVD burner because you wore out your old one. You have also some how accumulated a battery grip, monopod, sensor cleaner and portrait prime. You then make a deal with your wife that she can get the new living room furniture if you can have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L. You keep thinking about some big strobes (those alien bee's are very tempting) but you manage to control yourself and not actually buy it, just put it on your wish list. Then you sell your soul to your photography hobby and finally get a photographer's vest. After that, who are you really fooling? You're addicted.

***Any resemblance to any person either living or dead in the above autobiographical narrative is purely coincidental.


LOL.. I have 4 vests... and I am currently working a deal to trade the Mickeymobile {'96 Dodge Intrepid ES} for a Sony A700...how bad is that....
 
Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!

I like the body of the pentax- his D40 has a smaller body that I'm not a huge fan of. DBF definitely likes my Pentax, he was the one to suggest it actually.

I haven't found that the Pentax couldn't do or handle anything that his D40 could do. We only had my camera at Disney and we played around a ton with camera features and lighting. With so much to learn about photography, I would rather spend less on the body and more on accessories and lenses.

I like the fact that the Pentax takes AA's (they weigh about the same). The same set of batteries lasted me 3 straight hours shooting continuous pictures with the screen off. After 300 pictures, I was impressed.

The D40 is "indestructible"- it's been on DBF's sailboat for a summer (without a case), spent a week with me at the beach, thrown in DBF's car... I feel similarly about my pentax however I wouldn't take the same chances DBF does :rotfl:
 
Congratulations on the camera! K100Ds are getting hard to find, I was going to suggest the D40 as it's very beginner-oriented (note their "anyone can take great photos" advertising), but I'd choose the K100D instead if you can still find one. :teeth:

For now, you should probably stick to the kit lens for a short while (at least) and decide what kind of shots you're having difficulty getting than another lens will help with. You may find that you need more low-light ability, or you might need a longer zoom. It's best to decide what's best for you personally before buying a lens that you may not use that often.

That being said, the 50mm F1.4 is really hard to resist. ;)
 
I've been looking at all the pictures on this board taken with dslr cameras and I am blown away! I'm going to have to go back to Alaska when I get one. Oh, I hate to think about what my pictures "could have been".

So, DH and I are looking for a DSLR around $500 and $600 that is good for beginners. I have seriously looked at Canon and Nikon, but I'm not sure what's best. I need a camera to use for vacation (Disney, cruises), my kids sporting events, fireworks, and night shots.

I'm so excited about getting one and seeing what wonderful shots I can get.

Thanks for your help.
 
What kind of camera have you had in the past? As a Nikon owner, I would probably be disowned by many other owners when I say both are great equivalent cameras. Best thing to do is to go to the store and hold the ones you are looking at in your hands and become familiar with the controls.

I have a Nikon D60, which is now an older model. I believe it was replaced by the D3000. I think it's a great camera, but for most people's use, a D40 is fine. My previous digital P&S cameras were a Nikon Coolpix 5200, a Canon PS A720iS. Before that, we used (still do) a Nikon N50 film SLR. My Canon took fine pictures, but after years and years (10) of using a Nikon, I went back to a camera that had controls I was very familiar with. You'll find that the setup for many of the brands are the same across models.
 
What kind of camera have you had in the past? As a Nikon owner, I would probably be disowned by many other owners when I say both are great equivalent cameras. Best thing to do is to go to the store and hold the ones you are looking at in your hands and become familiar with the controls.

We used to have a Minolta 35mm film camera. Since then we've had various Kodak digital cameras, but nothing special.

[/QUOTE]I have a Nikon D60, which is now an older model. I believe it was replaced by the D3000. I think it's a great camera, but for most people's use, a D40 is fine. My previous digital P&S cameras were a Nikon Coolpix 5200, a Canon PS A720iS. Before that, we used (still do) a Nikon N50 film SLR. My Canon took fine pictures, but after years and years (10) of using a Nikon, I went back to a camera that had controls I was very familiar with. You'll find that the setup for many of the brands are the same across models.[/QUOTE]

I looked at a Nikon D3000 at Walmart today. I liked it a lot. The only other DSLR they had was an Olympus and it was too heavy for me. We plan to go Best Buy and see what they have.
 


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