Beach Club Villas

[invalid_character]

Does anyone have any information on the BCVs? Any details regarding the villas, the policies, the pool situation, when they should be available for sale, etc.... would all be appreciated

 

[PamOKW]

Not sure what you mean by policies and pool situation. Policies are the same for all DVC resorts. The BCV will use the SAB pool. I'm not sure whether or not an additional quiet pool is being planned (my guess is yes).

They are expected to be completed fall 2002. They may begin pre-selling before the actual opening but you wouldn't be able to use the points until the resort is actually completed. The price for DVC is going up to $75 in June so it is anticipated that BCV will be higher than that when it opens.

 

[dvc_john]

In the press release announcing BCV, it was mentioned that an additional 'quiet' pool would be built as part of the project.

 

[invalid_character]

Thank you so much for answering my question! The only resort my family has ever stayed at is the BC. Since it is so expensive, we can go maybe once every 5 years ( and then 1/2 of us are sleeping on the floor!). We would like to go more often but my kids are very attached to SAB (spoiled maybe!). The DVC seems like the solution for keeping it affordable, and getting more space) going forward. I just found out about this whole DVC thing from a friend yesterday. Sounds like owners are on the whole a content group.

Given that my kids love the pool (and we love the location due to proximity to Illuminations @ Epcot) does it make sense to hold out for BCV or is it going to be much more expensive. I know there is a lot of discussion regarding points, but I really don't have a concept of how they translate into dollars, so I don't know how much it is really costing me to wait for BCV.

Anyway, you guys are great for taking the time to reply. I really appreciate it, especially given how ignorant I am about all of this!

 

[Sorcerer]

You've come to the right place! You will get all the information you need here.

One of the best pieces of advice you will get is to buy where you expect to stay the most. That being said, I'm not sure how to determine how much money you will save if you were to buy into WLV at today's prices versus waiting to buy BCV when it becomes available. You have to figure in today's interest rates, how much you could earn on investments if you took today's DVC price and invested it until BCV becomes available...there are others on this board who could give you much better advice in this department than I. Best of luck and welcome!

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[dianeschlicht]

Scorcerer is right. If you plan on always staying at BCV, then that is where you should buy. If you buy at VWL and try to book at the 7 month window at BCV, you might be out of luck. When we purchased, BWV was newly on line, and we knew we wanted to be at OKW because we didn't care for the hotel atmosphere at BWV. We had planned to try the other DVC resorts and planned to do the Grand Floridian etc., but it has never happened! We love our OKW units so much, that we no longer have any desire to stay anywhere else. I know we would love the convenience of Epcot so near to BCV and BWV, but we don't mind the bus, and we love the quiet and home atmosphere of OKW.

Sorry this was so long, just another way of saying, buy where you want to stay.

Disneydiane

 

[kem330]

Before we bought DVC this year, we have only stayed at BC- about every 18 months since it opened. So I understand your attachment to BC and SAB. When we went last New Year's, we saw the BCV being built and did the tour. We were going to wait for BC, and then I started visiting this board. We got on a list with resale agents for BWV for several reasons: It has the same location, most* of the time you can pool hop to SAB, it was obviously going to be cheaper than BCV and we just couldn't wait to be members. By mid Feb we closed on a resale. We went with a smaller contract (200 pts) and I know we will do an add on when BCV opens. If we like BCV so much better, I figure we can sell our BW contract and probably break even.
* pool hopping is restricted at peak times such as Easter*

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[Bwalker]

You've gotten good advice here - buy where you want to stay at most! That extra 2 month window may not seem like much but it truly is. My family is very flexible with timing - we can go anytime - so we work around our 7 month window quite easily. But I know if we had our hearts set on a certain time and place, experience has told us we probably cannot do it.

We plan to add points with BCV when it becomes available - I love that location too!!!!!!!

See you there!

Cheers,
Bwalker

 

[invalid_character]

Thanks again to everyone. You are really helping us make an important decision!

I was faxed a point schedule and this is what I've come up with. I am making some assumptions. People who have taken the BCV tour (unfortunate that I didn't when I was just down there) may be able to provide me with more accurate assumptions.

I'm basically figuring that I want enough points to spend one week in a 2 BR during non-break/non-Easter April.

Currently, to do this @ BWV, I will need 306 points. I'm assuming that I will need 10% more points to do this @ BCV or 336 points.

My second assumption is that by the time I can buy into BCV the cost of a point will be $80 (Pat from the time share store said BCV will start pre-selling in January)

I can probably buy a BWV re-sale now for roughly $70 per point.

So, BWV = 306 * 70 = 21,420
and BCV = 336 * 80 = 26,928

The difference being $5,508 which is a lot of money... but if you divide it by 40 years it works out to $137 per visit...( still not sure if it's worth it. Part of my problem is that I've never seen BWV only BC. I think I'd like OKW, just not sure about location and again, it's hard to get excited about something you've never seen.)

I have left out interest and opportunity cost calculations because we are not planning to finance or invest the money in the short time period between now and next year.

Does $80 per point by the beg. of next year sound right? Does anyone know if the 10% increase in necessary points between BWV and BCV sounds right?

For people who have gone on the BCV tour, any impressions or info. you can give me would be very helpful in my decision.

Thanks again to all. You're great!

 

[RobDoc]

Just to clarify....there is currently no BCV tour. The only tour offered is for VWL and is at BWV. Members may have a self-guided VWL tour at the resort itself, but all DVC tours are still at BWV.

Until BCV begins sales there is no real information and certainly no tour.

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[Happy Birthday Cat]

invalid_character,

I was just at Disney adding on at the VWL and made a point of checking out the BC. I was able to get some good info from my dvc driver. I think your $80.00 estimate may be low. Some on this board are guessing $82-$85, and that is what I heard this past week. The problem is that it will become self fulfilling. As people become comfortable with that amount, it will become a reality, if not higher. The VWL are moving so quickly that Disney is raising the price on them and has cut back on the magical beginnings option. I was also told that a lot of people are holding off for the Beach Club, Disney is quite aware of this and will price accordingly.

There is a picture (artist rendition)of the BCV up at the Beach Club. It looks like it is going to have an impressive quiet pool. The other great thing is that the other whole side will have an unbelieveable view of EPCOT.

But it still comes down to buy where you want to stay. If you like the Beach Club, wait and buy there. If you like the Board Walk and won't always say I wish I had waited, then get your name in with a re-sale agent in Florida. good luck with whatever you do. You do have the right idea being here though. I read these posting for ages before buying and was much better prepared as a result.

 

[chris1gill]

Hmmm, well, I think you are maybe (hopefully) high on the point requirements... Personally I suspect they will stay the same as VWL, same as BWV Preferred view....

If you like the Epcot resort area, you really should own at either BW or BC, that's pretty hard to give up if you like it (which I do)....

As for the 80.00/per point cost, if they do start pre-selling in January, that could be a good number, however it's not been announced that they will do that...

To reduce point requirements for your stay, you could reduce your stay by one weekend night, or stay in a 1 bedroom (the 1 bedrooms hold 4 plus a child under 3)... A 1 bedroom is still very large when compared to a regular room!! You think you like Beach Club now, wait til you see the 1 bedrooms and above!! They will knock your socks off!! Full kitchens, washer/dryers & whirlpool tub!!! All at an EPCOT resort... Life does not get any better than that if you ask me!!!

 

[invalid_character]

Yes, you're all right that life does not get any better than this. It's kind of scary to be an adult hooked on WDW...like a kid in a candy store ... unsupervised! Let's see, scrap the addition on the house, we can put off buying new cars for, say, another 5 or 10 years!... I'm drawing the line at pilfering retirement and college funds. I'm just wondering how come more people don't know about this!

Anyway, when reviewing the point schedules I did notice the dramatic difference between points necessary for weekdays and those needed for weekends. I'm sure that you guys have developed strategies for dealing with this. I'm thinking of going for one week, visiting my grandmother in Boca for the weekend, and then driving back for another week. Does anyone do this or anything similar? Is it hard to get back to back weeks not including the weekend or is this completely variable? I'm not the type to normally do this sort of thing but you do save such a bundle that it's worth thinking about.

Your other idea regarding 1BR vs. 2BR also got me thinking. Could someone please tell me exactly what the sleeping accomodations are... drawer space would also be useful to know. I say this because the BC told us our room comfortably slept 6. Well, they had 2 queen beds and a little couch, which was not comfortable. We have 3 kids, 2 of whom are teenagers who would prefer not to sleep in the same room, much less the same bed! So we took turns sleeping on the couch and the floor. Also, and I can't understand what the BC was thinking of, but there was virtually no drawer space in our room. Obviously if a room is supposed to hold 6 people, those people will typically bring more than a bathing suit and a pair of shorts. So here we were, living in the lap of luxury, paying $450 per night with people sleeping on the floor and suitcases covering every leftover square inch of floor space because we could not unpack.

So, needless to say, I want to buy sufficient points to avoid this far from ideal situation. I'm relying on you sincere people to give me the straight talk on bed/drawer space accomodations on 1 and 2 BR. Also, what is the bathroom situtation in the 2BR? I'm guessing that there is only one bath... in my dreams the teenagers get their own bathroom. In the BC, atleast there was a double sink vanity outside the bathroom, otherwise we would never have gotten out of the room before noon.

One last question (for now!), my friend who recommended the DVC said that you can use leftover points to rent out your room (say if at some point in the future you need to take a break from everything Disney for a few years). Is this done? How does it work? What do you do with smaller amounts of leftover points i.e. 20 or 30 that will otherwise expire or if you need a handful of points just in a particular year, can you buy and sell these?

Thanks again. You're all awesome!

 

[KathyR]

You could get 2 weeks without the weekend in there. It should not be a problem at all if you were reserving at the 11 month window.

With 3 children you will have to have a 2 bedroom.

The one bedroom only sleeps 4. It has a king size bed in the master and a pull out sofa the living area. There are also laundry facilities, a whirlpool tub in the bath and a full kitchen.

The 2 bedroom sleeps 8 and has a king size bed in the master, a pull out sofa in the living area and either a queen bed and pull out sofa or 2 queen beds in the second bedroom. It also has a master bath with whirlpool tub and another full bath without the whirlpool tub near the 2nd bedroom. Of course, there is a full kitchen and laundry facilities in the room as well.

Yes, you can rent out your points, but I don't have a lot of info on that. Someone else will help you with that question I am sure

Best of luck to you

KathyR

 

[kem330]

Hi, Sorry if I gave the impression I did a BC tour it was the DVC tour at the BW. Second as far as space, I believe you would be more comfortable with a 2 BR. First off the 1 bedroom sleeps 4- A king and pull out couch. Second, it does only have 1 bath. We have 3 teenagers and we definitely need 2 bathrooms.Plus someone always wants to bring a friend.We bought DVC because it got to the point that we needed 2 hotel rooms and if you compare the cost of 2 rooms at BC to DVC it's a no brainer. BW is very similar to BC it just doesn't have SAB. I think BC is a little quieter. Keep in mind part of the BCV will back up to Epcot Resorts Blvd and may not have much view at all. You can rent points to friends, or on the rent /trade board, etc.But for small leftover amounts, you'd be better off banking them into the next year. You wouldn't have to buy as many points if you come every other year and bank your points, but somehow it seems the minute you buy in, you find you want to have more! Another good resale agent is Jaki at A timeshare Broker. You might find a deal that's better than $70/pt.

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[PamOKW]

In a one and two bedroom you will have more than enough space to store your clothes. You'll also need fewer clothes since you've got a washer/dryer right in the room.

 

[Stinky_Pete]

I just thought it might be a good idea to clarify KathyR's description of the accomodations of a 1br. vs. a 2br.

The 2br. (at the BWV) is a 1br. villa with a connected studio. The studios that are connected to the 1br. at BWV contain a queen-size bed and a sleeper sofa (the sofa is also a queen, I think). The studios also have kitchenettes (sink, coffee maker and under-counter refrigerator).

My understanding is the the BCV will have a similar layout, so the description of what's in the rooms will be the same.

As far as drawer space -- currently it's very tight at the BWV (I think I heard they're going to get new or different furniture to help this situation). There are a couple of drawers in the armoires in the master bedroom and the studio, but I think that's it. However, there is a lot of closet space, so you can hang things up and use the shelf in there.

 

[invalid_character]

Thanks everyone!

Stinky: you indicate that the 2BR has 1 king, 1 queen, and 2 sleepers, is that correct?

This actually leaves me with only one more bed than I got in my BC room, my kids are of ages and genders where they will not double-up.

Are the sleepers comfortable? I would have preferred atleast 3 regular beds, to be sure that everyone gets a good nights sleep.

 

[dianeschlicht]

That is one of the differences with OKW and the others. OKW has 2 queen beds in the second bedroom instead of a bed and a sleeper. Our "kids" often separate by one sleeping on the sleeper in the Living room and one on the love seat. I don't remember if BWV has that kind of arrangement in the LR though.

Disneydiane

 

[chris1gill]

I just wanted to say, they might have learned with BWV's, the VWL now have dedicated 2 bedroom units that have 1 king, 2 queen & the sleeper in the living room... I forget which floor is dedicated at VWL, but there is one entire floor....

About splitting your 2 week stay up, and leaving for the weekend, I wouldn't really recommend it... when we purchased, that was our intention, but we realized very quickly that we didn't want to be unpacking & packing our stuff... so we bought another hundred points to accomodate our needs....

Hope this helps... You will have far more room in the two bedroom... Figure you will get three times the space than the space you had at the Beach Club... Their rooms are about 400 square feet, the BW 2 bedroom is around 1200 square feet...

If you haven't been to the official DVC site to see pictures, go to the Disney.com site & then search for Disney vacation club.. you'll see the units....

And don't worry about your luggage.. BW has a Walk in closet where you can store it all & hang your items.... That's off the Master, and I'm sure the second bedroom has some room as well....