BCV Prices

[kewlteacher]

why should I, as a VB owner, be less entitled to stay anywhere I want? So what that I bought there and paid less per points?? My points are the same as you and everyone else and yes, I have to wait until 7 months to make a ressie somewhere at WDW, but so does everyone who doesn't own at a particular place. Your comments make us VB/HH people feel like our points are not worthy. We do go to VB and also stay at the WDW resorts and yes, we must be flexible in our travel plans but that doesn't make us any diiferent from people owning at WVL or anywhere else. Just because the MB promotion at VB made us able to buy DVC doesn't make us "lowly" DVCers..

Melissa & Brian

[This message was edited by kewlteacher on 03-02-01 at 10:50 AM.]

 

[Richyams]

I don't have any problem at all with people buying VB points to use mostly at WDW DVC resorts. I would hope that they are aware of the limitations of such a purchase.

I have a problem with DVC sales lying to people and telling them that buying at VB is actually wiser then buying at a WDW DVC resort because they can save money upfront and will have no problem getting any reservation they want.

If DVC sales told people that VB can get them in for less money, but they are going to have to be flexible with their reservations and its possible they will be locked out of certain units or certain times of year, I would have no problem with that.

DVC sales lies and commits fraud when they tell people that staying at WDW DVC resorts on VB points using the seven month window is never a problem.

I believe that in the future, the eleven month window is going to become more and more important. I think the BCV point schedule and the VWL point schedule is going to make stays at BWV and OKW harder and harder to get at the seven month window.

I believe the price per point is a difficult thing for DVC because there are still so many VB points for sale.

I hope PamOKW is right and VB sales are going well, this may allow a more reasonable point schedule at BCV and that would help the problems I am afraid of.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

 

[kewlteacher]

You said this last reply in a much better way (thank you)...and I do understand your point. I think there are several (ours included) that "led" us to believe we could buy VB and stay anywhere in WDW. But, the MB made it worthwhile and we want to stay at VB each year in addition to WDW. People keep forgetting that this is indeed a business that has a bottom line. They need to do what it takes to make it 1) easy to entice new buyers and 2) make money and while we all would love to believe that Mickey and Minnie are sitting around the board room making heartfelt decisions, it isn't happening. We bought Vero b/c it made money sense. Did we fully recognize the significance of the 7 mo? Probably not. But we are flexible, can never stay in Nov. and Dec. (teacher) and look forward to addding points later in our lives. We should all understand that not one resort is any better than another and ultimately, it comes down to personal reasons.

Melissa & Brian

 

[kem330]

Re comments of how Disney will price BCV. I think it's a valid and important point that Disney keep the membership point cost at a level playing field. That is DVC itself cannot be at an elitist level. If they overprice points, that will only hurt DVD and help the resale market. The only way to differentiate levels of individual resorts is to charge more points to stay there, that way members have the option of how and where to use their points just as resort guests do. However, this is not as objective a choice.While resort rates directly correlate to quality,It appears many feel OKW has a better value without sacficing quality. So then you could quantify by location and easy access. Of course, then why are VWL the same as BWV? Disney does not appear to follow any logical pattern re DVC. Yes, they are faced with increased building costs that must be recouped someplace but unless they make BCV a whole lot nicer than BW et al it will be hard to justify a higher point usuage cost.(resulting, as Rich stated, in very difficult ability to book in any of the other more reasonable resorts) And they can't price the other available resorts out of the market. Seems like they're between a rock and a hard place. Of course Disney's idea may be that people buying into BCV don't care and are buying strictly to be there, which will in itself create another tier of DVC.

 

[DVCHHTN]

I am not sure I follow the arguments about why BC should not have higher points per night. Since unlike most Timeshares, Disney allows for no charge trades between resorts they lose the ability to actually charge more money per use night for properties that have higher cost/value like BWV or BC.
By raising the price per point, they are in effect making new members pay the increasing cost of new construction while the existing members with much lower point costs get the advantage of staying at new properties for less.
While I understand the 7mo. window and all, it is still a deal for those of us with less expensive points.
If Disney simply charged more points per use night at the new resorts I believe a fair result would occur.
1. A new buyer would buy more points, paying more money in effect per use night, to be able to get a reasonable stay.
2. Old members would, by using more points, be paying more for the new/better resort making for a fairer sharing of the cost.
This would also help the great VB debate. They could simply reduce point cost per use night, allowing you to buy in cheaper but not have enough points to get an extended stay at a higher cost (WDW) resort.

 

[mattsdad]

VB owners don't worry. be flexible and you won't have problems with the 7 month window at WDW resorts

 

[kem330]

Good points DVCHHN
Conclusions:
The more I think about it the more confused I get!
But these seem to be true:
1. DVC points will go higher
2. BCV points will most likely be higher than other DVC resorts
I guess you could say earlier members will have an advantage because their points cost them less- but won't they want to get the best value/point?
It seems that VB will have to have some pretty attractive incentives attached if DVC points go up a lot. BCV buyers will either buy there and not care about cost, or after becoming members, decide they can get a whole lot more for their points at the other resorts. This is speculation of course and there are alot of ways to look at it. But I believe Rich is right the 11 month window is more important than ever (for those of us who are set on where and when we want to visit)

 

[RobDoc]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why would anyone spend $85 pp on BCV when VB is selling for $67? [/quote]

Not sure I follow the logic here..... Why would anyone spend $72 pp on VWL when VB is selling for $59?????

DVC will have no problem "pricing" VB wherever they feel it will sell- just by manipulating the MB program. They could even have MB available only for VB and not at VWL or BCV.
As for the effect on the importance of the 11 month priority, I think the importance will continue to be dependent on those who can/will travel to WDW (or HH or VB) ONLY at a specific time each year. For anyone else who can be more flexible, the 7 month window will continue to work well- just as it does right now.

It also seems reasonable to remember that not every DVC Vacation Guide even tells people that home resort has no importance. ( I even suspect these are a small minority.) Yet some here continue to paint the entire program with the same brush- over and over and over and over.....

 

[Dean]

You are less entitled to stay at any other resort for the same reason that I am less entitled to stay anywhere except OKW; because you don't own at the other resorts. Members tend to forget that they own a specific resort(s) and are included in the "CLUB" by the grace of Disney with no guarantee that this will continue. This is an important point. I realize that DVC has tried to make this as seemless as possible for a number of reasons with the top reason being sales, but the fact remains that the owners at any resort are the first priority, as they should be. DVC has no obligation with the newer resort to include it in DVC or to keep the points level to be fair. Although I previously suspected they would change the home priority window to a shorter differential, I no longer believe that to be likely. While I don't expect the club to go away, I do believe that the all for one and one for all concept is dwindling.

While I think DVC will keep the minimum at 150, I don't see how they could go any lower, I do expect the per point price to go up on a steady basis. How fast and how high will depend on WLV sales as well as to a certain extent VB and possibly HH sales.

Dean

 

[kem330]

Doc if you look at my post i did qualify that 11 mos is imortant to those of us who care when and where they want to visit. I just believe as a new member myself, that people need to understand this point clearly. Absolutely, the system works at 7 mos IF you are flexible on dates and location. And you are right at least where my guide was concerned, she was very forthright about the ability to make ressies.I also mentionned that they will probably have incentives at VB to counter the increased price at BCV. I am only coming from the perspective at this point in my life,as others may be, of needing to vacation at peak times due to kids and spouses vacations times and also having a specific desire to stay only at BWV (my family refuses to stay anywhere else)Of course this may someday change. Rich may be a bit of a doomsayer, but hey this is all speculation anyway- no one has a crystal ball.

 

[dvcdudes]

It says BCV prices will be $78pp with a 150 point minimum. They will have MB (just 1/2 point total). Point schedule will be SLIGHTLY more than VWL. BCV will sell out in L/T 6 months.

OK so these are only my opinions. Let me explain. They just raised prices quite a bit before VWL opened and I think they will remain stable until right before BCV opens. Then they will raise them 2 or 3 dollars at a time 2 or 3 times. This will bring the price to $78-80pp. I think they wil keep MB because I thik DVC makes money off this by renting out points at rack rate. I think VB & HH will be near sold out so it will be a non issue (VWL will be gone). I can't imagine the point schedule being that far out of line with VWL and BWV. If points are at a ridiculous differential then this will create a major problem. If what I say comes true, these points will be in great demand as add ons as well as new memberships. I didn't think VWL would do so well but the sales seem to be brisk. I think DVC will continue the trend of small DVC areas added on to popular WDW resorts and I hope the next one is at the Poly.
JMHO
Just one more thing on price... The years of membership are going down so eventually (if they keep adding locations) they will have to stop increasing price or make a new expiration date for new resorts. Like someone said (DVC II), I just hope we have access to these resorts.

DVCDUDES
Owner BWV Feb 2000

 

[PamOKW]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Members tend to forget that they own a specific resort(s) and are included in the "CLUB" by the grace of Disney with no guarantee that this will continue. [/quote]

Unlike the World of Resorts, once a resort is made part of the DVC it will not be taken away unless something drastic were to occur (damage so severe it can't be rebuilt). The home resort advantage is only guaranteed to be at least one month.

 

[Dean]

Pam, I realize that the Club is unlikely to go away but there is no guarantee that any one resort and therefore it's members will continue in the club. The real point was that one does not buy into the club, they buy a specific resort and that is all they are guaranteed.

Dean

 

[kem330]

DVC Dudes: I LIKE your crystal Ball! Seems very logical to me

 

[Gail Reale]

PamOKW, you mentioned in an earlier post something about a "DVC-like resort" being built elsewhere on property. Along that line, we were just in Naples and rumor there has it that Disney has bought a huge amount of land and is clearing it for a resort (non-theme park) in Estero, Fla. The person who told us this is actually in the construction trade (owns own business). Anyone else hear anything like this? <IMG SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="confused">

 

[Ivy]

First I want to say that my family is NOT wealthy or foolish with our finaces. AND, if there are any DVC sales reps lurking about, I forbid you from reading the rest of this post.

That said, The bottom line is that when BCV goes on sell, my husband and I will be on the first plane to Orlando to close the deal, no matter the point price.

Why is this?

We love WDW and we go there annually. We're both cops and need this vacation experiance to balance our daily lives. I don't have to do some of the extensive math I've seen prepared in defense of the DVC cost. We spent over $10,000 this year on WDW trips. It is our best value.

Why not WLV?

We live in a mountain community. We're log and antlered out. I understand the importance the 11 month home resort booking will have in the future.

Why not resale?

We're not thrilled about the transportation options at OKW. We might consider BWV, but we like the quiet BC area. Don't bring up buying one and staying at another, as stated above, I think in the future it will be difficult to get reservations outside of your home resort.

What does this come down to?

We want BCV because of

1. Location
2. Themeing
3. Transportation-walk to EPCOT and other resorts.
4. Overall vacation value

My point is this. I'm sure they will raise the point cost over $80 and change the point scale. Because they know that there are people like me out there waiting to buy.

Scary I know.

Ivy

 

[kem330]

Not scary, just reality! Disney is no dummy and I'm sure is well aware that all the BC fans will be lining up outside the door as soon as it goes for sale. Even at higher prices, it's still cheaper than booking hotel rooms there. Absolutley no offense intended to anyone but we didn't even consider looking at DVC till we saw the BCV under construction. We got ants in our pants and bought BWV resale just to try out DVC but know we'll buy BCV also when available. (and I'm sure we will find a time when we will love all the other resorts after we have a chance to try them) Can I ask another question? Are there any DVC members who don't like OKW? I've never heard any negatives, other than transportation issues.

 

[PamOKW]

Gail that's the first I've heard. If true, it would indicate that there might be hope for offsite options! I think what would really have put Vero and HHI on the fast track would have been including an on-site golf course. Maybe that's the plan for Naples.

 

[PamOKW]

Ivy I think there are lots of folks like you. They want a DVC at "X" resort and the price/point difference isn't going to be the major concern. The value they receive versus staying in that same or similar hotel room at that resort is the more important factor.

FYI -- From the beginning DVC has been a popular option for law enforcement folk to recharge.

 

[Dean]

I don't recall any DVC members stating they didn't like OKW but have heard from a couple of exchangers that were less than impressed. It seems that DVC charging the $95 exchange fee and the member only benefits are a big negative to some. Many on this board have stated they like BW (or whatever resort) better, but that's not to say they truly didn't like OKW. Obviously the transportation is an issue but to a certain extent it is for any WDW resort.

Dean