BCV Prices

[Dumbo]

Rich wrote:

>>>I believe that in the future, the eleven month window is going to become more and more important.<<<
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Rich,

I agree. You are right on the mark with this one. My compliments to you.

Let me use Boardwalk Villas as an example for my arguement. Presently Boardwalk Villas seems to be the hardest DVC resort to book at the 7 month window. Who is trying to book BWV at the 7 month window? Presently those DVC owners at OKW, HH, VB, and the remaining BWV owners who have yet to book at the 11 month window. So right now there is sort of a fixed number of possible owners trying to book BWV at the 7 month window. What is gonna happen when the Villas at Wilderness Lodge sells out. Now how many people are gonna try and book BWV at the 7 month window. The available number just went up. What happens when Beach Club Villas sells out. Now how many people are trying to book BWV. Everytime DVC opens another DVC resort, no matter where it is located, it adds more competition to anyone trying to book a particular DVC resort at the 7 month window. Wait till WLV and BCV sells out and eveyone on this board tells them how great Hilton Head is in the summer. Can you imagine how many people are gonna try and book Hilton Head in the summer?

Rich, again I congratulate you. It's a matter of simple math. Why are some people having a hard time understanding that?

Dumbo

[This message was edited by Dumbo on 03-03-01 at 09:28 PM.]

 

[PamOKW]

It's a matter of simple math if everyone is trying to stay at BWV. That isn't the case. Each new resort not only adds more members but also adds more rooms. The majority of DVC members are interested in WDW and have chosen a home resort. So far, the system of being able to interchange resorts is working. More WDW members, more rooms. I was concerned when BWV first opened that there would be increased demand at OKW. So far, there hasn't been a noticeable increase in difficulty of obtaining a reservation.

I agree that there may be difficulty at Vero and HHI since these two resorts are not "growing" but the pool of potential DVC members wanting to book there is. HHI has the added problem of more limited "choice" times to visit.

 

[LauraS]

I read one post about the BCV being more quiet than the BWV. Well, personally, I certainly wouldn't spend the extra $10 per point to buy at BCV for the quiet surroundings. Remember where BCV is going to be located. It's right on the pathway between Epcot and the Swan/Dolphin/BWV/BWI/Y&B. Everyone going to one of those resorts will pass the BCV while Epcot is open and up until an hour or so after. I think that there would be quite a bit of traffic in that area for the majority of the day up until 10pm at night. For all the talk of how loud it is at BWV, even with a BW view, I just don't find it any louder than the nights we spent with a Stormalong Bay View. If I was a potential new DVC buyer I would certainly look at a BWV resale before a BCV sale through Disney....especially if the points per night stay is higher!! You'll save tons of money, pay less in dues and most likely get more nights for your points. There's almost zero advantage.

Laura

 

[RobDoc]

Just for clarification, the BCV- currently under construction- is on the opposite side of the BC from Stormalong Bay and the walkway. It appears that it won't even be connected to BC- except by a covered walkway- similar to the WL/VWL configuration.
BCV will not be on any common walkway to other resorts or Epcot.
It certainly remains to be seen what the cost per point will be and also what the nightly charges will be for BCV. Speculation is certainly interesting, but time will tell.

Doc
doc@wdwinfo.com

 

[dvcdudes]

As I stated earlier, I think the 11 month window will be a major problem if BCV has a ridiculously higher point schedule. The resort this will most greatly effect is BWV. If you have the choice of staying in the same general area but using say 20 points per night or using 32 points per night, where would you stay? This is why it is already hard to get a standard view BWV room if not at the 11 months. I really can't see the points for BCV being any more than VWL. I would much rather see a higher buyin price and the same points as VWL. This would make BCV, VWL, & BWV equal and therefore give people the opportunity to book at the 7 month window at any of these resorts. I'm looking at this through rose colored glasses. DVC will probably mess it up and raise the points for BCV and whenever someone from OKW, VWL, VB, or HH wants to stay in the EPCOT area, they will undoubtedly look to stay at BWV making it impossible to book anything at BWV LT 7 months. I could be entirely off base with this. OKW'ers who could stay at there home resort for far fewer points, still elect to spend the higher points at BWV and I know after taking a drive through OKW, I will be looking to stay there in the future because of how nice it is and the point savings will be just a bonus to me. Perhaps as more options become available to us, we will all switch from time to time and this will make all things equal in the end... There go those rose colored glasses again.

DVCDUDES
Owner BWV Feb 2000

 

[Dean]

dvcdudes, I think you're right in your thinking. I suspect you were using the points amounts for comparison to make a point because not even I think the difference will be that much, LOL. I do suspect that BW will be most affected by BCV regardless of the point differential. OKW will likely be OK because it's older, you really need a car, many more rooms and farther away from the action. WL will likely be the second most affected resort, especially if it's sold out when BCV is early in sales.

The one thing I somewhat disagree on, and directly related to a point I've tried to make, is that DVC does not owe members at other resorts anything when it comes to building a new resort. Now I suspect they will take previous members usage into account, both from a positive and negative standpoint. Lets assume I were an executive in charge of setting up the points and cost per points for the new and selling resorts, must be a scary thought for some of you. My first action would be to hire Rich, sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously, I'd slowly but steadily raise the cost per point over time. How much and how rapidly would depend on how fast things were selling compared to goal and projected. As for points at a new resort, I'd try to have them minimally to moderately higher than a similar resort that was a few years older. I could also keep the cost per points lower and have a still higher points total at the newer resort depending on my estimation of how it would sell related to other resorts still selling (ex. VB and HH).

Dean

 

[IslandHap]

I'm buying at least 300 points at BCV as soon as they go on sale.

Just got back from Disney Land. California Adventure is great!!!

 

[dianeschlicht]

After re-reading this thread, I think Dean is closest to the correct scenario. I think they will assume that BCV is an upscale property and will have an imediate following because of the popularity of YC and BC. I think that idea has merit by all the talk we hear on this board about people "waiting for" BCV. I don't think there is any doubt that the point cost will see a substancial increase and that the points will be higher than anywhere else. I also think they would need to have a lower per point cost at VB to keep from killing sales there.

Isn't all this speculation fun!

Disneydiane