BCV Eliminate Access to SAB?

[kjkelley]

Has there ever been any discussion about eliminating SAB as an option for those staying at BCV? This information is very key for me when deciding where I should purchase as a home resort. Any help would be appreciated!

 

[dianeschlicht]

No, Stormalong Bay is the main pool at BC, so it will not be eliminated for DVC members staying there.

 

[DebbieB]

I believe the pool was included in the Public Offering Statement for BCV. Maybe a BCV owner can verify.

 

[Pa@okw95]

The pool is part of the YC,BC and BCV grounds.

 

[HookdonWDW]

While the pool is not listed by name, a pool that fits the physical description and ammenities of SAB is included in the BCV POS.

 

[kathleena]

I just would think they would never do this. It's not listed as a "perk" to BCV DVC members and is always refered to as being for the exclusive use of YC, BC and BCV guests.

And then they would probably have to take away use of the big pool at WL to VWL owners and even separate use of pools at BWV/BI. That would be interesting given that they gave the themed pool to the BWV side.

 

[lenshanem]

It is mentioned in the paperwork. I know because I checked into this before we bought there.

 

[TwingleMum]

I also checked into it before we bought. SAB was a big factor for us buying at BCV.

 

[LIFERBABE]

And let me say for the record, that I dont mind being corrected because its all in the spirit of understanding our contracts better..............

The reason I said it was far fetched occurrence, because it is. Last year when Comcast was attempting a hostile takeover, one of the concerns was that DVD could be sold in whole or in part or the WDW resorts could be sold in whole or in part. If that were to occur, the POS only guarantees use of the actual DVC property filed with the state of Florida.

Yes I agree that the dimensions of SAB are defined in BCV's POS, but under a Common Facilities Agreement on pg. 20 section (b) (i):

(b) Certain other recreational and commonly used facilities are made available to Owners, Club Members, their guests, exchangers and renters of the Beach Club Villas through the Common Facilities Agreement and are described as follows:

(i) Feature Swimming Pool and Sun/Bathing Deck................capacity of 1200 persons.

(ii) Hot tubs at Feature Swimmimg Pool..........3 with a capacity of 9 persons each.

and continues with the physical description of SAB.

They made it a point to declare what was being sold as part of the BCV's which was Dunes Cove and Hot Tub and what was covered by the CFA (SAB) .

Pg. 21 (5) goes on to say:

DVD is not required to construct or declare as part of the Beach Club Villas any recreational or other commonly used facilities other than those facilities contained in the phases of the Beach Club VIllas initially declared to the condominium form of ownership..................................

Thats a mouthful, and since I did not receive the CFA as part of my packet I dont know what the terms of agreement are, but I think the word Agreement is key.

Let me add that I am a proud BCV owner and would never want this to be invoked as we love SAB, and that was a big part of us purchasing and adding on there but I went in fully understanding that alot can happen in 37 years and this was a possibility.

 

[lulu71]

Let me add that I am a proud BCV owner and would never want this to be invoked as we love SAB, and that was a big part of us purchasing and adding on there but I went in fully understanding that alot can happen in 37 years and this was a possibility.

I think what everyone is saying is that it is really NOT a possibility without DVD building an exact replica, which ain't gonna happen. I think all of us BCV owners can relax and continue to look forward to using SAB for the next 37 years.

 

[LIFERBABE]

What I am asking is where in the POS does it say that DVD has to build an exact replica? I did not see it. What I found seems to say the opposite.

 

[HookdonWDW]

Okay, let me see how well I can explain this to you... (I really can't promise that I won't confuse the situation more ):

If you look at the Multi-Site POS, you will find A Section entitled "Component Site Information". This is a chart that outlines exactly what is included in each resort. On the second page (pg. 28 of my books, perhaps a different page in the books that include SSR) you will note that the last item mentioned is "Additional Feature Pool". If you look at the descriptions, you can figure out which pool is represented. At BCVs, it is SAB, at BWVs it is the quiet pool at BWI. They also include the decks and hot tubs here.

Now look at item 16, the Fitness Room. It says n/a (except for HHI). Does this mean that there are no Fitness Rooms? No. They exist, but they are not covered under the Common Facilities Agreement, and therefore their use is not guaranteed. You will also note that no mention is made of childcare facilities or restaurants. Hence there was no issue when they closed the childcare facility at BW or Olivia's at OKW (until they brought it back due to public outcry).

The Common Facilities Agreement is made between DVD and WDW - in other words, ME sits in a room and talks to himself . They agree on which facilities they will share. This agreement lasts for the term of the contract (in the case of DVC I until Jan 2042).

So when people are saying that they would have to replace the pool, they are merely saying that since the POS states we have use of a pool meeting the description of SAB, they have to provide one. If you notice, none of the names of the different common sites are used in the POS. That way they could change the name of SAB to "Captain Jack's Lair" if the mood strikes.

I hope that this helped to clarify things for you.

 

[LIFERBABE]

DVD is not required to construct or declare as part of the Beach Club Villas any recreational or other commonly used facilities other than those facilities contained in the phases of the Beach Club VIllas initially declared to the condominium form of ownership..................................

Thank you for the explanation, but Im not in the least bit confused about what the POS says. It is a matter of interpretation and that's where we differ.

I interpret it to say that "yes we have an agreement for the use of SAB-like common facilities" but if said agreement is nullified through sale or otherwise, DVD is not required to replace it because SAB-like facilities are not declared as part of the conominium form of ownership. They separated BCV and the CFA for a reason. I personally do not believe there is any guarantee to rebuild SAB if for some reason DVC was denied use of SAB. There is nothing in the POS that says this.

I know the horse has been dead for a long time but since many new and potential owners read this board, I felt compelled not to let it go, because I couldnt find the supporting evidence to agree. The good thing is that those that are concerned should make it a point to read their POS and form their own opinion.

Thank you again for the discussion,
Lifer

 

[kathleena]

I'm seeing what Liferbabe means and I would agree. They are covering themselves should the CFA ever be broken.

I wonder what would have to happen to break the CFA - other than a possible sale and subsequent break-up of WDW and DVC. In other words - I wonder what the clauses are like the agreement that give the two entities an out.

 

[GDUL]

You will also note that no mention is made of childcare facilities or restaurants. Hence there was no issue when they closed the childcare facility at BW or Olivia's at OKW (until they brought it back due to public outcry).

HookdonWDW, I don't want to hijack this thread but since I own at OKW, I have to ask, when did this occur? I bought in June of 1994 and I don't recall them saying that they were going to close Olivia's. This surprised me and I'm just curious. Thanks!

Gary

 

[HookdonWDW]

HookdonWDW, I don't want to hijack this thread but since I own at OKW, I have to ask, when did this occur? I bought in June of 1994 and I don't recall them saying that they were going to close Olivia's. This surprised me and I'm just curious. Thanks!

Gary

Gary,

I don't believe that they completely closed it, but they eliminated some meal service shortly after 9/11. I think it lasted for around a year or so. I can't go back that far in the posts to see the actual dates, but someone else may have a more complete answer for you.

 

[Doctor P]

All I recall with Olivia's was getting rid of the character breakfasts, and those were never brought back.

 

[GDUL]

Gary,

I don't believe that they completely closed it, but they eliminated some meal service shortly after 9/11. I think it lasted for around a year or so. I can't go back that far in the posts to see the actual dates, but someone else may have a more complete answer for you.

All I recall with Olivia's was getting rid of the character breakfasts, and those were never brought back.

We were at OKW the following February and I do recall them cancelling the character meals. Thanks for the info!

Gary

 

[Alexander]

The character b'fasts have not come back either.

If SAB were to be removed, then I think you would suddenly see the demand for BCV contracts to also drop. While this would alleviate some of the pressure on DVC to ROFR them so they can resell them, eventually it would lead to a surplus of these contracts. Just my opinion, but it sounds like a lot of people bought here for the use of SAB. I know it was my first choice as a resale for this reason, but since we can't usually book at 11 months out, it wasn't worth the extra $10/pt. it sells for.