Bay Lake Tower through rci

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My hubby & I are looking to reserve a room for next July of 2016 at Bay Lake Tower through RCI. My father in law is giving us his points...he is a member of RCI...nothing is available yet...just wondering how it all works, when units become available...thanks!! I am getting anxious and want to book it already
 
I think it's hard to get bay lake through Rci. From what I've read, you're more likely to get SSR or akl. I may be wrong though. Good luck!
 
I think it's hard to get bay lake through Rci. From what I've read, you're more likely to get SSR or akl. I may be wrong though. Good luck!

This is true. It didn't always be this way, but deposit patterns have changed. It's almost all SSR now, occasionally OKW or AKL (more rare). Usually 6 months or less in advance, but exactly when (or if) a week will be deposited is unpredictable.
 
My hubby & I are looking to reserve a room for next July of 2016 at Bay Lake Tower through RCI. My father in law is giving us his points...he is a member of RCI...nothing is available yet...just wondering how it all works, when units become available...thanks!! I am getting anxious and want to book it already
If you want to go to WDW, listing only BLT is a recipe for not matching. I'd list anything you'd accept but truthfully you should be willing to accept SSR, OKW or AKL if you want to go next July. I'm not sure if your in-laws are RCI weeks or RCI points and it does make a difference to a degree. Realize there is a $95 extra fee in addition to the $209 exchange fee payable on check in at WDW. If they're RCI weeks, you'll likely need a TPU (trading power unit) of 42 which is much higher than most people's deposit and if RCI points, likely 60-70K points (we can check the exact number if needed).
 

We did the same thing for our last trip - borrowed in-laws' RCI Weeks account - and ended up getting a 1 bedroom at Boardwalk. The in-laws' timeshare is at a decent resort in Puerto Vallarta, but it's not super huge and there is a lot of inventory in Mexico, so we had to combine 2 weeks to make sure we would have enough TPUs (if you need to do this and the in-laws have to deposit their 2016 week, they would have to pay those maintenance fees to their home resort before it can be deposited with RCI, so that's another hurdle to jump over). So if you aren't going to have enough TPUs with just one week (assuming the in-laws have a weeks account) that is another fee to combine weeks. I think between the exchange fee, the combine fee, guest certificate and resort fee at the hotel, we ended up paying $400-$500 for the exchange, which was a steal for a whole week at the Boardwalk!

I spent a lot of time on the various timeshare boards about a year in advance to figure out all the details of trading into DVC, and here are some things to remember:

What you see in just the open exchange inventory - not just DVC but pretty much any property - on the RCI website is essentially just leftovers that didn't match up to any ongoing searches that have already been set up. Anything that does make it into open inventory gets snapped up pretty fast, so getting an ongoing search set up is crucial.

The DVC units are usually deposited into RCI about 5-7 months out, give or take a few weeks, though they do occasionally have last minute deposits for travel dates within a couple of weeks. But, you probably want to have your ongoing search set up at least a few months before that 5-7 month window. I think we had both weeks deposited and combined and the ongoing search set up by April or May 2013, and we had our match during the first few days of August 2013, so we were matched about 5-6 months in advance for a trip the last week of January 2014.

I had been monitoring RCI for several months before we got our match and it looked like for all but the holiday weeks, the 1 bedrooms were going for 20 TPU or so. I would check inventory several times a day and I regularly saw SSR units pop up as well as the occasional AKL, Wilderness, Boardwalk, and I think maybe a BLT once (?). I think our exchange was 22 or 23 TPU when we snagged it, but something must have changed quickly, because by late August/early September the required TPUs for most 2014 weeks shot up to around 42 TPUs, and I saw very little popping up on the open exchange inventory after that.

If you're looking for a trip next July, you would probably be getting a match sometime around the beginning of 2016, but you should get your ongoing search set up as soon as possible. The earlier you get your search set up, the higher you will be on the list when those dates and properties get released into RCI. Getting the search set up early is especially important if you want something other than SSR or OKW. Also, if you're only looking for DVC properties, during the search set-up process don't select a region or sub-region for your search, just enter the DVC resort codes for the resorts you're interested in. I first had our search set up with the region and sub-region AND the DVC resort codes, and apparently the RCI system basically just ignores the codes and kept putting holds on the same grimy-looking Orlando-area unit that matched our dates. Once I removed the regions we stopped getting random Orlando-area matches and just waited until we got our DVC match.

As other posters have pointed out, only going for BLT is going to make it very tough to get a reservation. When we went, we had backup, non-RCI plans if the exchange didn't pan out, so I only ran the ongoing search for the EPCOT and Magic Kingdom area resorts. But the inventory in RCI has changed a lot in the last 2 years, so I doubt we would luck out like that again. Honestly even after staying at Boardwalk, if we could get my in-laws to consistently deposit their weeks in RCI in advance and get a search set-up, I would be excited about trading into any of the DVC resorts. It is almost impossible to beat that price for an entire week in a 1 bedroom DVC villa, and each resort has its own positives and negatives, even BLT. Once you get matched and you know where you'll be staying, there are owners/fans/lovers threads for pretty much every DVC resort, so you can look at all the pictures and adoration on the thread for your resort to get pumped up for your trip. I used to think that AKL and SSR were both so isolated and thought I would never want to stay there, but after reading up on them and the amenities and experience that they each offer, they both sound like great places to spend a vacation. We're planning on renting DVC for our next trip and it's actually been really tough to narrow down our top choices!

Here is a mini-guide on RCI trading that I made for my sister-in-law last year, so it might help walk you through the process of setting up an ongoing search. I would also suggest asking your FIL if he will give you the login info for his RCI account so that you can get the search set up and monitor it on your own, instead of depending on someone else to do it. My in-laws have had a timeshare and an RCI account for years but have never understand the whole ongoing search vs. the leftovers that pop up in the open exchange inventory, and they especially did not understand the importance of getting a DVC search set up well in advance of the travel dates. So instead of having to listen to us explain how the exchange system in RCI works, they just gave us their login info and we were able to do it ourselves. :)

I hope it works out and you're able to trade in!
 

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Sorry about the wall o' text ^^^^! Brevity is not exactly my strong suit...

Nice info!! Quick question-- how much is there maint fee/year?

You quoted $400-500 for boardwalk one week in a 1bd, but did that amount account for their timeshare maintenance dues?

Thx!!
 
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Nice info!! Quick question-- how much is there maint fee/year?

You quoted $400-500 for boardwalk one week in a 1bd, but did that amount account for their timeshare maintenance dues?

Thx!!
It will vary based on specifics including underlying maint fees and taxes. Depending on specifics, sometimes one also has to include the exchange company membership in addition to potential up front costs that include the TVM. My exchanges range from $600 to $650 per exchange including those secondary factors. And that's up because of a change in my main home system. I don't include a portion for up front costs because they were so low and I've long since covered them with benefits. Exchange fee of $209 for most plus the $95 resort services fee are fixed.
 
It will vary based on specifics including underlying maint fees and taxes. Depending on specifics, sometimes one also has to include the exchange company membership in addition to potential up front costs that include the TVM. My exchanges range from $600 to $650 per exchange including those secondary factors. And that's up because of a change in my main home system. I don't include a portion for up front costs because they were so low and I've long since covered them with benefits. Exchange fee of $209 for most plus the $95 resort services fee are fixed.

I guess I'm ultimately curious about getting a non DVC resort and trading in. I already have 400 points (BLT and BWV) but always seem to use them up (inviting family, friends, etc). I don't want to buy yet another DVC property (well, maybe SSR), and thought perhaps it would be cost efficient to get a starwood or marriot on the resale market. If it's only $600-$650 per exchange INCLUDING maint fees and taxes, for one week at SSR.BWV/OKW/AKL in a 1bd, then RCI is doing way better than even having the DVC properties(maint fees are appx $1k for a 1bd!). I wouldn't get rid of my properties bc I bought where I want to stay, but was thinking about random trips to dvc properties that I wouldn't otherwise stay in (SSR/OKW/AKL) because I can't bear to use my precious points on certain properties that I do not prefer. But I enjoy Disney enough to want to go to these "less desirable for me" properties for $600 a week!!
 
I don't want to buy yet another DVC property (well, maybe SSR), and thought perhaps it would be cost efficient to get a starwood or marriot on the resale market.

A Starwood or Marriott wouldn't be the most cost effective way to trade into DVC (high buy-in cost, high maintainance cost). You could probably pick up Wyndham points for free or very low cost. They trade through RCI as Wyndham points (not TPU), the Orlando trades costs from 63,000-105,000 depending on season (it doesn't matter if it's a DVC resort or not). My maintainance fees (including program fees) come out to be about $4.8/1000 points., I think it's middle of the road for Wyndham (some resorts are lower, others are higher). So an Orlando DVC week 1 bedroom all-in costs $600-$800 depending on season.

From what I've read, WorldMark is also a good system, but buy-in costs would be higher. If you decide to buy, I highly recommend joining TUG (www.tug2.net) for more detailed advice. It's free to join, unless you want access to the Sightings forum where members post what exchanges they've seen or matched (that requires paid membership).

Also, since you're buying just to trade, keep in mind that deposit patterns might change again or DVC might not trade through RCI in the future (they used to be with Interval).
 
I guess I'm ultimately curious about getting a non DVC resort and trading in. I already have 400 points (BLT and BWV) but always seem to use them up (inviting family, friends, etc). I don't want to buy yet another DVC property (well, maybe SSR), and thought perhaps it would be cost efficient to get a starwood or marriot on the resale market. If it's only $600-$650 per exchange INCLUDING maint fees and taxes, for one week at SSR.BWV/OKW/AKL in a 1bd, then RCI is doing way better than even having the DVC properties(maint fees are appx $1k for a 1bd!). I wouldn't get rid of my properties bc I bought where I want to stay, but was thinking about random trips to dvc properties that I wouldn't otherwise stay in (SSR/OKW/AKL) because I can't bear to use my precious points on certain properties that I do not prefer. But I enjoy Disney enough to want to go to these "less desirable for me" properties for $600 a week!!
I would discourage buying specifically to trade to Disney but would encourage buying a system that complements your personal vacation situation and consider it a plus to trade to DVC when you can. Those are my costs but they're based more on volume and positioning, it's not going to be possible to buy something for a week a year at DVC only that will get you down to that cost level. Partly due to the volume component and partly because new resale buyers don't get the same options I do. But some exchanges would be much cheaper due to no $95 extra fee and lower TPU requirements and some would be more.

I ran the numbers a year or so ago here on DIS comparing Bluegreen, Wyndham, Marriott weeks, Marriott trust points and DVC just for a week a year in Orlando and they're pretty close overall. The benefit comes in volume, non Orlando/non DVC options and in taking advantage of some of the intricacies of a given system. For example, one can buy a 2 BR at a Marriott with lockoff's and potentially trade one week for 2 though most Marriott's are in II only, a few are in RCI. I don't know Starwood, Hilton, Shell or Worldmark well enough to do more than generalize. If the options interest you just start investigating so you can figure out what fits for your situation. In general I recommend looking at where, how long and what unit type you need and then work backwards. I just reserved six 3BR OF units for our family trip next summer, I haven't calculated my cost yet but in general I'm thinking somewhere in the range of $10-12K or little higher while my Gatlinburg trip with ten 2BR units was roughly $7-8K inclusive of all costs. Part of the difference is that my fees on BG are cheaper and BG was cheap enough not to include the upfront costs in the equation, the same could not be said for Marriott (overall) or DVC. OTOH, the Marriott in question has 3 BR villas that are little more than the 2 BR ones there. There are several members on this board that own DVC and other timeshares that started with DVC and then branched out. One that comes to mind got out of DVC completely for a time. I think everyone I'm thinking of has said they're glad they did non DVC and I don't recall anyone that did so and said they wished they hadn't. But there are many that looked at the option and didn't proceed though the reasons vary as to why they didn't.
 
A Starwood or Marriott wouldn't be the most cost effective way to trade into DVC (high buy-in cost, high maintainance cost). You could probably pick up Wyndham points for free or very low cost. They trade through RCI as Wyndham points (not TPU), the Orlando trades costs from 63,000-105,000 depending on season (it doesn't matter if it's a DVC resort or not). My maintainance fees (including program fees) come out to be about $4.8/1000 points., I think it's middle of the road for Wyndham (some resorts are lower, others are higher). So an Orlando DVC week 1 bedroom all-in costs $600-$800 depending on season.

From what I've read, WorldMark is also a good system, but buy-in costs would be higher. If you decide to buy, I highly recommend joining TUG (www.tug2.net) for more detailed advice. It's free to join, unless you want access to the Sightings forum where members post what exchanges they've seen or matched (that requires paid membership).

Also, since you're buying just to trade, keep in mind that deposit patterns might change again or DVC might not trade through RCI in the future (they used to be with Interval).
BG is likely the better option if the trade back to DVC is a major component of those. It's set to trade a little better than Wyndham where RCI is concerned and is cheaper and cleaner to buy in and yearly if one choses well. The other option and possibly the best for DVC, is to look for a great RCI points resort that has low fees and a high RCI point allotment. That can take some doing and it's been a few years since I followed this issue closely. Several LV options were prime targets for this approach at the time. Still, I think buying the one that works best otherwise then trading back to DVC if possible is the best alternative. Buying mainly to trade to DVC would be a high risk option though for several weeks a year, could be a high return option as well. Other possibilities including looking for the right non points resort with low fees and high TPU as well as buying something high demand (like Maui) and getting aggressive with private trades.
 
Nice info!! Quick question-- how much is there maint fee/year?

You quoted $400-500 for boardwalk one week in a 1bd, but did that amount account for their timeshare maintenance dues?

Thx!!

My figure did not include the maintenance fees on my in-laws' timeshare, which I think is about $500-ish per year - so for those 2 years of TPUs plus all the exchanging fees that's about $1500. We offered to pay the maintenance fees and even then I think it still would have been cheaper than either renting points or a cash rental directly from Disney for that length of time and villa size/location. But the in-laws have to pay that maintenance fee every year and they apparently don't actually use the timeshare very often (they took it over for my husband's grandparents who bought waaaay too many timeshares early on in their retirement), so they were just happy someone was getting use out of it and turned down our offer to pay the maintenance fee.

The other posts above already covered this well, but as they said it is risky and not a great idea to buy a timeshare solely for the purpose of trading into Disney, as that availability could change in the future, plus the fluctuation of TPUs and the actual trading company membership fees, deposit inventory, etc can fluctuate from year to year. We did briefly think about offering to take over the timeshare for the in-laws since they don't use it, but once the TPUs required for DVC shot up and the inventory seemed to drop, we would have to combine so many years that it no longer amounted to any kind of savings. But, if you're set on buying a property just for trading, then as already mentioned, Las Vegas seems to get fairly high TPUs for deposits year-round, and Hawaii/Maui are very high demand too.

I don't remember the exact link now, but I do remember seeing some threads on TUG on the subject of the best properties to purchase for highest TPU value with lowest maintenance fees, and how to buy them for super cheap. I think it was under the Exchanging forum, though you might also check the forum about timeshare purchasing. There were lots of specific companies and resorts mentioned there, I just don't remember much now beyond Vegas and Hawaii. :)
 
We use my Dad's Worldmark points now and then but haven't used them yet to trade through RCI to a Disney resort. I do check availability through RCI though 2-3x a week. I find that the WDW resorts seem to get deposited around midnite MST. Saratoga and Bonnet Creek (non-Disney but right there) are almost always available, occasionally OKW. I've seen AKV a couple of times, and BWV, BCV and VWL each one time. I have never seen BLT. I don't have an ongoing search, this is just what I've found from randomly checking in myself. You'd likely have better luck with the ongoing search.
 



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