Banks and Creditors?

Galahad

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I haven't seen this addressed on any discussion here - but I haven't read all of the threads - as soon as the get hyper-political I move on to the next topic....

Anyway, with the potential of thousands out of work for a long period of time I would assume that creditors and banks are making allowances for that. IMO, if they did not, now that would truely be a "criminal" act. If they do not I hope the story is covered with a furvor equal to all of the other tangents to this story. Has anybody read anything about that?
 
Galahad said:
I haven't seen this addressed on any discussion here - but I haven't read all of the threads - as soon as the get hyper-political I move on to the next topic....

Anyway, with the potential of thousands out of work for a long period of time I would assume that creditors and banks are making allowances for that. IMO, if they did not, now that would truely be a "criminal" act. If they do not I hope the story is covered with a furvor equal to all of the other tangents to this story. Has anybody read anything about that?

Having been through Charley, it was my experience that many of the creditors got in touch with us to let us know that they understood there would be problems. Remember, the mail service was also not at its best. If a bill got lost in the mail and you missed a deadline, I have never heard of a credit group that did understand.

Of course, if they had given people a hard time, maybe some folks might've got so upset they would've just said the hell with it. ;)
 
People who were on good terms with their creditors to begin with will be given forebearances for a reasonable period of time--my guess is two to three months of skipping payments without being reported as late.

People who were on shaky ground to begin with will likely get a month, maybe two. My guess is that many of those notes will go south anyhow, so it will behoove the creditor to "write it off" before the end of the year for tax purposes.

Not being unsympathetic, simply realistic.

Alax had mentioned a few days ago that there will likely be an increase in personal bankruptcies, and I tend to agree.

Anne
 
Even if you weren't on shaky ground. Let's say you had a good job and 6 months expenses in the bank. Now you can't go back home for six months at least.

How long will it take you to find another job where you are now? Even if you have insurance, the insurance company says your house isn't a total loss and they'll cut a check for repairs and the depreciated value of your contents that were ruined in the flood. You're not allowed back into the city until the clean up is complete. How long could you pay your mortgage and pay for another place to live too?

It's not just the poor or financially unsound who are in trouble here, there are a lot of middle class people who had nice homes and jobs that are going to be financially ruined by this disaster. I think the poster who mentioned that there would likely be a lot of bankruptcies is correct.
 

Homeowners insurance (and some renters policies) will almost always pay for up to a year of living expenses for those forced out of their homes by covered perils. That will help many people, they will not be paying "double" for a place to live and their current mortgage.

The ones who's homes are ruined by non-covered perils are for the most part going to stop paying the mortgage. Very few people will continue to pay on a house which they can't live in and can't afford to repair. So it's best to just cut losses and move on for everyone concerned.

Anne
 
ducklite said:
Homeowners insurance (and some renters policies) will almost always pay for up to a year of living expenses for those forced out of their homes by covered perils. That will help many people, they will not be paying "double" for a place to live and their current mortgage.

The ones who's homes are ruined by non-covered perils are for the most part going to stop paying the mortgage. Very few people will continue to pay on a house which they can't live in and can't afford to repair. So it's best to just cut losses and move on for everyone concerned.

Anne

Thanks Anne, you said it better than I did. :) My point was that a lot of people who would never have considered bankruptcy in normal circumstances are going to be forced to that point now, not just those who were financially shaky to begin with.
 
It was reported that the 3 main car loan auto companies (You know--Ford and the like--though I don't recall specifically)--were forgiving loans until victims got back on their feet.

Not sure if this means extension on payment--or forgiveness of missed payments...I assume the latter.

(And it was forgiveness, not forbearance that I heard...I will go check)
 
I think the number of people and businesses that are effected for a protracted period of time is much larger than in previous disasters. I don't have numbers, just the impression that more and larger employers were wiped out. If that's true then creditors stand to lose much more by not coming to terms - as does the economy.
 
I stand corrected---I guess the news report I heard used the wrong terminology.

Some hurricane victims can defer car payments
GM, Ford to offer relief for customers affected by Katrina

Updated: 2:31 p.m. ET Aug. 30, 2005
DETROIT - The finance arms of the two biggest U.S. automakers, General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co., said Tuesday they are allowing customers affected by Hurricane Katrina to defer their car loan payments.

GMAC spokeswoman Joanne Krell said customers should contact local GMAC offices for an extension of up to 90 days. The company also will waive late charges for people who have been affected by the hurricane.

"We take a very commonsense approach to this," Krell said. She added that GM and GMAC plan to donate at least $500,000 to the relief effort.

Ford's program is open to customers living in counties that have been declared disaster areas by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The offer includes customers of Ford Motor Credit Co., Jaguar Credit, Land Rover Capital Group, Mazda American Credit, PRIMUS Financial Services and Volvo Car Finance.

Eligible Ford customers should receive a letter within a week and must register within 60 days to qualify. Customers also may contact the companies if they believe they're eligible but haven't been notified.
 
We live in an affected area. So far most of my friends have gotten 60-90 day grace periods on cars, houses, credit cards, etc. with no problems. Dh has to call today to take care of that stuff for us. He works in the food service industry. His sales territory is about 45 miles north of NO, so he's pretty much temporily out of a job. He is 100% commission. His company will compensate him at 60% of his average salary until his sales are back up to normal. While this is wonderful, it would still be a stretch to make ends meet with a 40% pay cut. It will really help his stress level if we can get a grace period on some of our payments.
 
Don't forget the new bankruptcy laws take effect in less than one month. From what I understand, and I dont' understand too much of it, it makes it harder to declare the chapter 7 and forces most people into the 13-repayment plan. This might have an effect on whether this would be an option for some people or not. (Although if they don't have a job how could they be put on the repayment plan one???) Just a thought.
 
ducklite said:
The ones who's homes are ruined by non-covered perils are for the most part going to stop paying the mortgage. Very few people will continue to pay on a house which they can't live in and can't afford to repair. So it's best to just cut losses and move on for everyone concerned.

Anne

Flame suit on.....they could afford to live there but not afford to insure it? That is a downright shame since most of us homeowner policy payers will be footing the bill for those that were too cheap or lazy to insure their house. So, because of them our policies will increase?
 
Belle1962 said:
Don't forget the new bankruptcy laws take effect in less than one month. From what I understand, and I dont' understand too much of it, it makes it harder to declare the chapter 7 and forces most people into the 13-repayment plan. This might have an effect on whether this would be an option for some people or not. (Although if they don't have a job how could they be put on the repayment plan one???) Just a thought.

It's going to take a look at the ability to repay, where in teh past pretty much if a person was "iffy" they would let them file 7. Now all those "iffy's" (which are about half of BK's) will have to file 13, and if they fail for cause on that plan will be allowed to switch to a 7.

No house, no covered peril insurance, $130,000 mortgage, no job, $5000 in credit cards, $20,000 loan on a car sitting under four feet of mud and debris--that's a Chapter 7, end of story.

Anne
 
Starting this week the FDIC has sent out info letters about giving people breaks until things get better for them. If I can find them at my other desk I will cut and paste for you. I won't be there for a couple of hours, but hang in there, I will try.
 
I remember reading something about some banks giving mortgage holders a 90 day period before their next payment is due.
 
Thanks ducklite, like I said I didn't understand too much of it but would have hated to see people get trapped by a law that was passed before this disaster hit their lives. I know LOGICALLY they wouldn't have a means for a "repayment" plan but my experience with courts as a whole leaves me to believe "logic" is sometimes nowhere to be found.
 
Here is the Fedinfo letter I previously posted about...it is rather long...

Press Release

Banks Resuming Operations in Hurricane-Affected Areas
Chairman to Tour Areas Hit by Storm, Meet with State Banking Commissioners

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
PR-88-2005 (9-7-2005) Media Contact:
David Barr 202-898-6993
dbarr@fdic.gov


Most banks in the areas affected by Hurricane Katrina are operating and providing financial services to customers and non-customers, according to the FDIC, which has now been able to contact all of the 280 institutions in the area. The vast majority of the banks are operational with the exception of a limited number of branch closures due to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. In some cases, banks are implementing business continuity plans by arranging for temporary offices and backup information technology services.

"We know that the payments system is working well," said FDIC Chairman Don Powell. "We are working with the Federal Reserve to monitor and facilitate cash deliveries to institutions. We will monitor the situation continuously."

Even in the circumstances where communities and banking offices sustained very heavy damage, bank customers should be able to access their funds by check or ATM. Banks are required to have extensive contingency plans for all types of disruptions to operations, including natural disasters. Banks have backup systems of records and other built-in duplications that are stored in safe locations so that financial records can be reconstructed and restored, if needed.

While many customers in the affected areas have experienced some disruptions in banking services, they can be confident that their money is safe. "To my knowledge, no bank in the history of federal deposit insurance has failed as a result of a natural disaster," said Chairman Powell. "Consumers, as always, can rely upon the guarantees provided by the FDIC. Their federally insured deposits are fully protected; no depositor has ever lost one cent in a federally insured account."

Chairman Powell will be traveling to the hurricane disaster area at the invitation of the Louisiana and Mississippi bank commissioners to meet with bankers and bank regulators to assess the restoration of basic banking services and evaluate how the FDIC can be of further assistance to the banking industry and consumers.

"FDIC staff has been working around the clock with other bank regulators, the banking industry and the public. I want to make sure we are doing everything possible to ensure that banks are fully operational and serving their customers and also helping out non-customers in this time of need," said Chairman Powell.

The FDIC and other bank regulators have encouraged banks to help hurricane victims, by waiving ATM fees for customers and non-customers; increasing ATM daily cash withdrawal limits; easing restrictions on cashing out-of-state and non-customer checks; waiving overdraft fees as a result of paycheck interruption; allowing loan customers to defer or skip some payments; and waiving late fees for credit card and other loan balances due to interruption of mail.

The FDIC is reminding consumers to protect their Social Security, bank and credit card numbers and other personal information, especially in response to unsolicited requests from strangers. Fraud artists may try to take advantage of the crisis by tricking victims into divulging personal information.

Consumers with questions about accessing bank accounts, lost records, ATM cards, direct deposit or how to reach their bank can contact the FDIC toll-free at 1-877-ASK-FDIC (1-877-275-3342). The hotline is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The FDIC's Web site, www.fdic.gov, also has helpful consumer information.

# # #

Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in 1933 to restore public confidence in the nation's banking system. The FDIC insures deposits at the nation's 8,868 banks and savings associations and it promotes the safety and soundness of these institutions by identifying, monitoring and addressing risks to which they are exposed. The FDIC receives no federal tax dollars – insured financial institutions fund its operations.


FDIC press releases and other information are available on the Internet at www.fdic.gov, by subscription electronically (go to www.fdic.gov/about/subscriptions/index.html) and may also be obtained through the FDIC's Public Information Center (877-275-3342 or 202-416-6940).
 
Great info--thanks for posting!

Anne
 


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