Bad Trip

vhoffman

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We just came back from our second trip to WDW. Our first trip was last April. We had such a magical time I couldn't wait to repeat the experience. Such a letdown the second time. We came back two days ago and I still feel miserable. I think the next time we vacation it will be somewhere else.

My first problem was the hotel. We stayed at Holiday Inn DTD. We got it on Hotwire for $36 per night. The last time we stayed at the Polynesian and I certainly didn't expect the Holiday Inn to be an equivilant hotel, but I did expect a clean room. Actually, we were pleased at first. Our room was in the "annex" or whatever its called. Its a six-story building behind the main tower. The rooms are very large with large closets. They even gave us two roll away cots for no extra charge and we still had plenty of room. However, by the second day my son had developed a bad cough and we all felt under the weather. I happened to look at the ac filter--it was filthy! Also, the light fixture in the bathroom had a rim of mold around it about an inch thick. We insisted on another room, which they couldn't do the first night because they were all booked. They did come and change the filter and clean the lights, etc. The next day we got another room in the tower, which was smaller but better maintained. By that time none of us felt too well.

My second problem was my attempts to use handicapped parking. I have arthritis and have a permit, so I thought it made sense to park in the handicapped space. Only problem, the tram which took people from the parking lot to the parks didn't service the handicapped areas. We were told there were wheelchairs available and I should use one of them, or re-park in the main lot for the tram. Especially at the MK, its quite a hike from the parking lot to the main gate. Pushing a wheelchair is difficult because there's an up and down slope. I argued with the tram driver to pick us up without having to repark. He replied, "If you can't walk from the parking lot in, how do you expect to get around the park?" Then he drove off. Well, if you're not handicapped, it makes sense to have a lift from the parking lot to the gate, but if you're handicapped you're SOL. I found the parking situation the same in all the parks. We finally found our solution by parking at the Contemporary and using the monorail. Parking at AK and MGM was similar, but less of a hike. My first night I still hadn't figured out the parking (it shouldn't be such a mystery) and walked quite a distance into the MK. I felt exhausted and needed a place to rest, so I had the nerve to sit in an empty space on the stone circular seating in front of the castle. The "lady" next to me immediately informed me that that seat was taken by her husband who would be back shortly. There was enough space on that bench for a dead horse between us, but she didn't want me to sit there. I told her I was tired and needed a place to sit. She continued to argue with me that I should move. I informed her that I was disabled, tired, and needed a place to sit (which was obvious, another lady said I looked like I was going to pass out). She then practically screamed at me that she was pregnant! I said "So what? I'm not asking you to get out of your seat!" I then informed her that this was public seating and if she didn't like my sitting there she should call a security guard. She kept arguing with me and I finally told her if she didn't shut up I'd call a security guard. Well, she finally ran out of hateful things to say and "let" me sit there. Apparently, WDW isn't very accomodating for disabled people.

We had a bad incident with the water taxis from the Swan to the Boardwalk. Everything went fine until we wanted to come back. We were waiting at the lighthouse pickup area and two boats dropped off passengers but left without us, even though we were in plain sight. It was about 10 pm and I was afraid we'd miss the last boat, which we almost did. The last boat dropped off passengers but I had the impression he was going to pull away without picking us up also. I informed him that we were NOT going to be left behind. He was quite rude in his attitude but did "let" us on the boat. However, he started the boat before I had a chance to be seated and I almost fell. Its obvious I'm disabled since I walk with a cane, you'd think he'd give me some extra time to be seated, especially since we'd waited for almost half an hour in forty degree weather. I did manage to register a complaint against him that I think was taken seriously through transportation security. A sympathetic clerk at a nearby hotel helped me find the right number, not just Disney's general number.

Let's see, what else? Rude waiters, pushy crowds, the usual. I fell in love with Disney the first trip, but after this trip I'd think seriously about returning. There's other places to spend my hard-earned money, and I might just enjoy myself there.
 
Originally posted by vhoffman
There's other places to spend my hard-earned money, and I might just enjoy myself there.

You are absolutely right!

I think you should try them out.

Good Luck.:D
 
Apparently, WDW isn't very accomodating for disabled people.

I think in this instance it was the woman - not WDW in general.

I am sorry you had a horrible trip.

Kelly
 
Disney is not the place for you. If the crowds and pace are too stressful you should try a more relaxing kind of vacation. Disney is not for everyone. Although, it is for me...::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::
 

Keggy is exactly right...the situation with the woman had nothing to do with WDW. Enjoy your trip elsewhere in the future.
 
I was sorry to read about your terrible adventure. Can I ask when your trip was?
We have found the week of xmas & nye with a higher ratio of rude guest.
You certainly make the case for staying at a Disney resort. We stayed at what was previously the Courtyard just a few years ago. The room was awful and we vowed to pay whatever it took on future visits and stay at a Disney hotel.

As for rude people I certainly have run into my share at wdw. Including a lady who showed up on Main St right before the parade started and practically sat on top of me when we had been waiting an hour.

It sounds like the transportation worked better for you when you were at the Poly. I hate to hear you might not return and would make a few suggestions for future visits.

I have visited many times with my father who has a bad hip and wont get in a wheelchair, so we have learned a few tricks. Try to stay at a Disney resort that works best for you and transportation. The hotel will lend you a wheelchair for your stay or you might consider a scooter as there is way too much walking. I also always fax the FD a few days before our arrival and explain that my father is disabled and can they accommodate us. With a location close to the main bldg or near the elevator. WDW puts out an excellent broshure about visiting with the disabled so that might help. We also take a resort breaks after lunch.

If all else fails think about a Disney Cruise. We have been twice and it was the most relaxing vacation we have ever taken. We also commented that the cms were more like what cms at wdw used to be like.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your bad trip. Inconsiderate people can really take the fun out of things. I can't believe that nasty pregnant woman and the rude water taxi driver (what's with dropping off, but not picking up, anyway?) Hope your next vacation is much better, wherever you decide to go! :)

Laura
 
Sorry about your bad trip - hope you have better luck next time
 
Our trip was just last week. A very slow time. And to the other poster who suggested the "crowds and pace" weren't for me, well, that wasn't the problem. Actually, we found the parks very uncrowded at that time of year (that's why I chose to go in the off season). However, what's that got to do with filthy hotels, rude transportation drivers, and handicapped parking that doesn't offer the same accomodations (a parking lot tram to the entrance) as it does to non-disabled people? I was just trying to get along and enjoy myself, but it seemed like that wasn't an option for me. I agree about the crowds not being for everyone, though. I thought more than once of how crowded these attractions must be during high season. I can't imagine standing in such lines (in the heat, too) for anything. Last year we went in April during a slow time and had a great time. We used the monorail and didn't rent a car, so we didn't have the same problems with transportation. Our next trip is to Hawaii, hopefully that will work out better.
 
I'm so sorry.....no fun....I can relate - our first family trip to WDW we stayed at the Beach Club for 10 days ($$$) and the first day we ALL got deathly ill. We couldn't use much of our passes or any of our ps's. It was such a bummer and a terrific waste of money and valuable vacation time. <poutie face>

I swore I would never go back (but not because of anything Disney did), but here I am going again in March. I figure lightening won't strike twice.

Maybe you just need this Hawaii trip and the next time will reinstate the magic.

::yes:: Hawaii will be wonderful, enjoy!!!
 
The magic just wasn't there this time. Wonder where it went? We're still trying to figure out what we did wrong. Maybe the "magic" was just in my imagination? Or maybe it went to Hawaii? I'll still try to find it.
 
My DH uses a wheelchair and the rude transportation is nothing new to us. We held a bus up for over an hour in Vegas when the rude, lazy, stupid bus driver got all in a huff because he had to get off this A_S to tie the wheelchair down. He was so rude, my SIL got into a verbal fight with him and he wouldn't move the bus until his superviser came. Then he made up all kinds of lies, stated we didn't pay, refussed to be locked down, said we where going to have him fired. All incorrect. Some people just cannot work with the public. Then when we went to take the trolley the driver told us we should be taking the bus and not the trolley. Much more room in the trolley. Who is he to tell us what we should do. This is why it is costing me over $1000 to rent a wheelchair van for the two weeks we will be at disney.

how far is the WC parking? I don't remember having to walk too far. My DH may have wheels but I don't.
 
So sorry you ran into so many unhappy people. Hope your next vacation is better.

:wave:
 
In thinking it over I really think the best place for a wheelchair user (or anyone with a disability) would be the Contemporary. You're just an elevator ride away from the monorail, and the monorail lets you off near the entrances. Of course, it only goes to Magic Kingdom and Epcot. For Animal Kingdom and MGM the only transportation is bus or water taxi. Frankly, I'd avoid those with a wheelchair. You're just asking for frustration. Your own transporatation is best, whatever works for you, a special van, etc. BTW, do they charge extra insurance for a van equipped for wheelchairs? Also, do check into the GAC--Guest Assistance Pass. I got mine from City Hall in MK, but I understand they're available in all the parks. You're supposed to have some proof of disability, such as a dr's letter, but they just took my word for it. the pass was very handy. It allows you an alternative entrance, special seating, or whatever makes sense for your situation. For example, at the Lion King show in AK they let me use a service entrance so I entered right next to handicapped seating. At Beauty and the Beast at MGM there wasn't such an entrance. My main concern was being pushed by the crowds. They opened a roped-off area for me to sit and wait and then I entered last, behind the crowds. We got a good seat. Do realize some things they simply can't accomodate. Such as the Safari ride at AK. I could get into the truck ok, but I took seriously the warning about a rough ride. I have an artificial hip and decided it just wasn't worth the risk. I waited while my dh and kids went on it. You do have to make your own decisions as to what's appropriate for your situation. However, I'm still burned about my experiences with Disney transportation. That's what I was referring to when I said that Disney isn't very accomodating for the disabled. Who'd think that handicapped parking woulldn't offer the same tram ride as offered to non-handicapped guests? And then to tell me if I couldn't get from the parking lot in, how did I expect to get around the park? Well, then that should apply to everyone else who had a lift from the non-disabled areas. Oh, well....

Oh, BTW, if you use a wheelchair on the monorail it works out fine (at least from what I could see). I noticed several people using the monorail in wheelchairs and they met them at their stops with a ramp for boarding to get the wheelchair over the entrance to the monorail car. They were always there as soon as the doors opened. I guess you have to tell the driver your stop so he can call ahead for this assistance. Only thing is you couldn't just joy-ride the monorail around the park, which my kids got a real kick out of.
 
Who'd think that handicapped parking woulldn't offer the same tram ride as offered to non-handicapped guests?
They usually save spaces right by the tram stop for people with mobility issues, but not wheelchairs or scooters. They assume that people parking in the disabled lot have wheelchairs or scooters, which can't use the tram. The problem with this plan, is that you have to just know to go to regular parking instead of disabled parking, and you have to just know to ask for a space near the tram stop.
 
LOL, not all people with disabilities are wheelchair users! And just how is a person supposed to know about Disney's spin on things--that is, if you're disabled but not a wheelchair user go to the regular lot and park near the tram, which won't come into the disabled lot? I really think my trip went south this time because I had a rent car and attempted to navigate the handicapped parking without being informed of their particular requirements. Just how was I supposed to know all that, short of going through it and finding out the hard way? After all, I'm not unique in that I have a disabled permit but am not a wheelchair user. The more I think about this the more I think I need to take the matter up with Disney (as though they ever listen to complaints, but you never know). I'm also in the process of reporting the "Mold Palace" aka our hotel, to the board of health in Orlando. From what I've read here and elsewhere mold is a common problem in that hotel. Well, it certainly doesn't meet health standards, IMO. I did find the right person to complain to about the water taxis and think it was taken seriously. Some trip! Instead of working on my scrapbooks and photo albums I sit here and write complaint letters. Well, I do feel I have some valid complaints and believe they need to be heard. Disney can be a great place if you have the right circumstances, but my experiences should have never happened and I intend to at least voice my complaints to someone who is in a position to do something, not just complain to Disboards.
 
And just how is a person supposed to know about Disney's spin on things--that is, if you're disabled but not a wheelchair user go to the regular lot and park near the tram, which won't come into the disabled lot?
That's what I said:
The problem with this plan, is that you have to just know to go to regular parking instead of disabled parking, and you have to just know to ask for a space near the tram stop.
 
Well, I see about 800 people have looked at this thread. I started this thread for two reasons, first to vent. Then, hoepfully, to spare someone else my miserable experiences using handicapped parking. From what I can tell, there's just no way to know about the tram not servicing the handicapped parking area unless and until you're there. Hopefully, someone else will see this thread and be forewarned. Wish someone had told me!

Also, my opinion of the hotel is one I think others should at least see and consider when making plans. We all want our trips to go well and information is the key to planning.
 
LOL, not all people with disabilities are wheelchair users! And just how is a person supposed to know about Disney's spin on things--that is, if you're disabled but not a wheelchair user go to the regular lot and park near the tram, which won't come into the disabled lot?
We stay on site and take the bus to MK. But at the other parking lots, at least when we've been parking, there is a CM positioned at the place where the road separates to go either to the regular parking area or the handicapped area. We either ask for handicapped parking at that point or show our permit. We usually are asked at that point whether we have a wheelchair or need one. DD has a no-folding wheelchair and could not sit on a moving tram, so we have to use the handicapped parking area. I've been told though, that people who tell the CM they have a folding wheelchair (but not a handicapped parking permit) or don't have a wheelchair (but have mobility needs) are usually directed to park at the end of a row, close to the tram stop. Obviously, it doesn't always happen that way, but that's how it's supposed to work. And we've been asked enough times whether or not we have a wheelchair for me to think it does happen that way more than not.
They also have wheelchairs at the handicapped parking lot that can be borrowed to get to the park entrance. A problem with that though, is first time visitors don't really know how far it is to the park entrance.
 
Originally posted by vhoffman
Our trip was just last week. A very slow time. However, what's that got to do with filthy hotels, rude transportation drivers, and handicapped parking that doesn't offer the same accomodations (a parking lot tram to the entrance) as it does to non-disabled people?

It sounds like the combination of unconnected events was what made the situation unpleasant. First, the hotel room was not up to standards. But, you could have gotten a beautiful clean room in another motel. It just happened that this time the room was not what was expected. That started things on a bad foot.

The water taxi situation would probably not happen again 9 out of 10 times. We have taken the taxis many times with disabled people and never had an unpleasant situation. It was just fate that this time you had a bad experience. I think that you could ride the water transportation many times in the future and that would never happen again.

Finally, it was just fate that you had the unpleasant encounter with a rude person who wanted to "hog" the bench. But, with other unpleasant fateful occurances, starting with the dirty hotel room, it exaggerated that encounter.

In the parking lots, there are wheelchairs that can be borrowed to take the person from the lot to the park entrance. Sometimes, with heavy use, none are available. But, I have walked to the park entrance and have always been able to find one.

Please don't let this unconnected series of events that fatefully just occured together on your last trip influence your future plans. The next time, you probably won't have anything like this happen.
 





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