Baby #19 for the Duggars born!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Something interesting I heard when Anna was being interviewed about how many children she and Josh want to have. She said they'd love a large family, but "we're not trying to break any records." I took that as a polite way of saying 19 kids, no way.

I took it that way as well.

 

[wendy46001]

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You know, I honestly thought it was poor taste to announce yet another of her pregnancies when her own daughter-in-law was working on her 1st. I remember thinking that she was sort of stealing Anna's thunder a bit. I wonder how Anna felt about that, maybe like she's in competition with her mother-in-law. Although, Anna seems to be a very sweet girl so maybe it doesn't bother her.

And so close to Anna's due date

 

[Kimberle]

Something interesting I heard when Anna was being interviewed about how many children she and Josh want to have. She said they'd love a large family, but "we're not trying to break any records." I took that as a polite way of saying 19 kids, no way.

I've heard both Anna & Josh say several times that if God wants to "bless" them with only 2-3 kids, that's just FINE.

 

[mla1977]

I've always understood Josh and Anna's statements to mean that they will be thankful with however many children they have. It seemed to me that they were a young couple who were nervous that by being too optimistic about having children, i.e. they would get their hopes up and then be heartbroken if they had difficulties having children.

 

[DMRick]

Michelle Duggar: Baby Doing 'As Well As Can Be Expected'

After giving birth to her 19th child via emergency C-section, Michelle Duggar tells People magazine that she is cherishing every moment with daughter Josie Brooklyn, who was born on Dec. 10 weighing 1 lb., 6 oz.

"Josie is doing as well as can be expected for a baby at her age. We are taking each hour as it comes," says Duggar, who has been released from the hospital. "We feel so blessed that God has given us to her and are cherishing every moment with her."

Duggar, star of TLC's "18 Kids and Counting," had been in the hospital recovering from a gallstone at the University of Arkansas for Medical Services when she was taken to the operating room for an emergency C-section. Her doctors said the baby was born prematurely because Michelle suffered from preeclampsia, a pregnancy-related condition that causes high blood pressure, People reports.

"God's will is what we would choose if we knew all the facts," says Duggar's husband Jim Bob. "Our children's spiritual maturity is going to deepen so much through this, in a way that couldn't happen any other way," he says.

He adds, "This is so difficult, but I know that we are leaving this in God's hands."

 

[pigletgirl]

Aw, I hope she does well! It's probably going to be a huge emotional roller coaster for them, and will put them at a whole new level in their thinking I would imagine.

I thought that michelle was trying to loose weight and it wasn't coming off, and so therefore she took a pg test and it was +. I don't think she was 100% expecting it.

 

[robinb]

"God's will is what we would choose if we knew all the facts," says Duggar's husband Jim Bob. "Our children's spiritual maturity is going to deepen so much through this, in a way that couldn't happen any other way," he says.

He adds, "This is so difficult, but I know that we are leaving this in God's hands."

This quote really struck me as strange. It's like he's already "spinning" each outcome in his head to be a positive. I admit that, as an atheist, I might just not get it.

 

[jjarman]

This quote really struck me as strange. It's like he's already "spinning" each outcome in his head to be a positive. I admit that, as an atheist, I might just not get it.

I think I can speak for most Christians when I say we don't "spin" the circumstances in our lives to make them positive. Most of us do think everything happens to us for a reason. We just don't know right now what that reason is. And things don't always happen to us for our benefit but for the benefit of someone else. I know there are many many things that have happened to me that at the time I did not understand why God was allowing this to happen. I can look back on most of those times and see now how it was the best for me or someone else. But then again I have a long list of things I want to ask God about when I get to heaven, LOL.

 

[Ember]

Michelle Duggar: Baby Doing 'As Well As Can Be Expected'

"God's will is what we would choose if we knew all the facts," says Duggar's husband Jim Bob. "Our children's spiritual maturity is going to deepen so much through this, in a way that couldn't happen any other way," he says.

He adds, "This is so difficult, but I know that we are leaving this in God's hands."

Umm, anyone else see a problem here? That baby is not surviving because of God's will. It's surviving because of medical science. Without medical intervention, Josie would not survice. This is the same medical science that is saying further pregnancies would unwise - but in this case they ignore medical science in favor of God. If that isn't twisting the facts to suit your own choices, I don't know what is. Why is medical science "God's will" in one case but not in the other?... These people drive me nuts. They are such hypocrites!

 

[Tinijocaro]

Without medical intervention, Josie would not survice. This is the same medical science that is saying further pregnancies would unwise - but in this case they ignore medical science in favor of God. If that isn't twisting the facts to suit your own choices, I don't know what is. Why is medical science "God's will" in one case but not in the other?... These people drive me nuts. They are such hypocrites!

Who said further pregnancies would be unwise? She's had many healthy children and seems healthy herself. What does the number of pregnancies have to do with the fact that she had pre-eclampsia. First time moms get pre-eclampsia.

 

[happygirl]

Umm, anyone else see a problem here? That baby is not surviving because of God's will. It's surviving because of medical science. Without medical intervention, Josie would not survice. This is the same medical science that is saying further pregnancies would unwise - but in this case they ignore medical science in favor of God. If that isn't twisting the facts to suit your own choices, I don't know what is. Why is medical science "God's will" in one case but not in the other?... These people drive me nuts. They are such hypocrites!

See I totally disagree with every word of your post. I would like to farther discuss this but do the rules of Dis I won't be able to

 

[jjarman]

Umm, anyone else see a problem here? That baby is not surviving because of God's will. It's surviving because of medical science. Without medical intervention, Josie would not survice. This is the same medical science that is saying further pregnancies would unwise - but in this case they ignore medical science in favor of God. If that isn't twisting the facts to suit your own choices, I don't know what is. Why is medical science "God's will" in one case but not in the other?... These people drive me nuts. They are such hypocrites!

And many, if not most, Christians believe it was God who gave us the medical advances to make it possible for Josie to survive. And from what I remember from the show Michelle's OB/GYN said she was fine to keep having babies. She said some women are made to have babies and Michelle is one of those women. Of course to get readers reporters are going to find a source that says it is unwise for her to have so many pregnancies. But up until this point she has been healthy throughout her pregnancies. 42 is not too old to have a baby. My best friend in high school was one of 12. Her mother was well into her 40s when she had her last baby. All but one of hers lived to adulthood and the one that died it was a heart defect and not a premature birth. My friend's mother was another of those women who was made to have babies.

(Hey not trying to be rude or anything so don't ban me. Please!!!)

 

[MrsPete]

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You know, I honestly thought it was poor taste to announce yet another of her pregnancies when her own daughter-in-law was working on her 1st. I remember thinking that she was sort of stealing Anna's thunder a bit. I wonder how Anna felt about that, maybe like she's in competition with her mother-in-law. Although, Anna seems to be a very sweet girl so maybe it doesn't bother her.

Not being a competative person -- not even a little bit -- this wouldn't occur to me. I think it has a certain weird factor, perhaps even an ick factor (being pregnant along with your mother-in-law), but competition wouldn't occur to me.

Do you think Michelle is competative? Does she like seeing her kid-count go up for its own sake?

I've heard both Anna & Josh say several times that if God wants to "bless" them with only 2-3 kids, that's just FINE.

I think that's a fairly common attitude for kids who come from large families. They KNOW the effort and sacrafices that go into large-scale parenting, and they've already "done their time".

In fact, I'm not too different. I'm the oldest of five (I know, I know -- it's not even in the same league, and I'm not unhappy about that!), and I chose to have only two. Two of my siblings have one apiece, the other two have none. So my parents have only FOUR grandchildren. Fewer grandchildren than children. This is not uncommon.

In my own case, it was about money. We grew up without anything, and it wasn't fun. We were each allowed two pair of shoes per year; if they wore out or if our feet grew -- too bad. We each got 3-4 pair of jeans at back-to-school time, and often by springtime they were tight /high waters. We had to wait for things like eye glasses. My husband and I have done well financially, and we have purposefully chosen to give our girls LESS than we could afford to give them . . . but they've never, ever had to wait for necessities.

I think I can speak for most Christians when I say we don't "spin" the circumstances in our lives to make them positive. Most of us do think everything happens to us for a reason. We just don't know right now what that reason is.

I know what he's getting at -- but I don't think he expressed it well. The Bible says, "All things work together for good for those who love the Lord." He means that we, with our limited insight, do not always recognize that things happen for a greater good. Sometimes we look back and see that what appeared to be a setback was really a good thing for us (for example, I remember being devestated when I didn't get into the grad school I wanted so badly . . . so I got a job and met my husband). And sometimes things happen TO US for the benefit of other people; perhaps to give them an opportunity to help us, perhaps to give us a chance to serve as a positive example. And often we just never know WHY things -- good or bad -- happen to us, but we're supposed to trust that God has arranged our life circumstances in such a way that it's the best thing for us. Since we have no choice but to take what comes, it doesn't matter on a practical plane, but it can change our attitude towards what happens to us.

Going out on a limb -- making a wild guess with absolutely nothing to substantiate it -- IF this child has ongoing medical problems or dies, it might be the turning point for Michelle. It might convince her that enough is enough, and that could save her life . . . allowing her to remain here healthy for her existing children. Imagine if she died in her 20th pregnancy, leaving behind multiple toddlers who still need lots of care and teenagers in need of guidance. Or perhaps it would serve as an example to other people (her own daughters and daughters-in-law?) that moderation is a good thing?

 

[Ember]

See I totally disagree with every word of your post. I would like to farther discuss this but do the rules of Dis I won't be able to

I'm not sure we'd have any common ground here (in matters of religion, by your signature I see you believe in something I don't...), but if you do want to discuss it I am willing to listen with an open mind if you're willing to do the same. Feel free to PM me.

 

[happygirl]

I'm not sure we'd have any common ground here (in matters of religion, by your signature I see you believe in something I don't...), but if you do want to discuss it I am willing to listen with an open mind if you're willing to do the same. Feel free to PM me.

I appreciate your open mindness When I have more time I would love to chat

 

[Halloweenqueen]

She WAS told many times that this was an unwise choice. She just changed doctors when she didn't like what they had to say.

I think the statement is so hypocritical and self-righteous. I agree with the PP, they seem to twist their understanding and beliefs at will.

There are plenty of ways to deepen one's spirituality. They could have spent their time, money, and resources in missionary work.

They should have counted their many, many blessings and stopped. I had a very rough pregnancy, delivery, and recovery after my first child. I was told the risk of having more children, so we turned to adoption. I would have loved more children, but I felt a strong responsibility to my son, husband, and family not to pursue another pregnancy.

Speaking as an adoptive and biological mom, there were many choices for this family.

 

[happygirl]

She WAS told many times that this was an unwise choice. She just changed doctors when she didn't like what they had to say.

I think the statement is so hypocritical and self-righteous. I agree with the PP, they seem to twist their understanding and beliefs at will.

There are plenty of ways to deepen one's spirituality. They could have spent their time, money, and resources in missionary work.

They should have counted their many, many blessings and stopped. I had a very rough pregnancy, delivery, and recovery after my first child. I was told the risk of having more children, so we turned to adoption. I would have loved more children, but I felt a strong responsibility to my son, husband, and family not to pursue another pregnancy.

Speaking as an adoptive and biological mom, there were many choices for this family.

Do you have a link to where she had many Dr and they told her to quit having babies and where she kept changing Drs? I would l ike to readi it

 

[Disney Ella]

Do you have a link to where she had many Dr and they told her to quit having babies and where she kept changing Drs? I would l ike to readi it

I don't have a link, but I remember her mentioning it on one of the shows. She was told that it would be unwise to have more children and her current doctor refused to deliver anymore Duggar children. She said that she had to make some calls until she could find a doctor who was willing to take her as a patient. I am also curious where you heard that Michelle went to college? I am certainly no Duggar expert, but I remember her talking about running some kind of car business with Jim Bob after they got married and getting her real estate license, but nothing about college.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not being a competative person -- not even a little bit -- this wouldn't occur to me. I think it has a certain weird factor, perhaps even an ick factor (being pregnant along with your mother-in-law), but competition wouldn't occur to me.

My mom is 1 of 9. Moreso probably due to lack of BC than any kind of acceptance of that many kids if that makes sense.

Anyway--I think on her last pregnancy, she was pregnant at the same time as one of my Aunts.

I don't think Michelle was competing--I mean, we knew they weren't stopping children--so if she happened to get pregnant, it isn't like they would keep it a secret. It is kind of weird though. TLC even asked Anna about it on one of the episodes--I think the one they went to the consignment sale.

I also believe they were genuinely surprised at it being so quick--I'm not sure if they've had any babies that close together before. (I.e. the Irish twin)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't have a link, but I remember her mentioning it on one of the shows. She was told that it would be unwise to have more children and her current doctor refused to deliver anymore Duggar children. She said that she had to make some calls until she could find a doctor who was willing to take her as a patient. I am also curious where you heard that Michelle went to college? I am certainly no Duggar expert, but I remember her talking about running some kind of car business with Jim Bob after they got married and getting her real estate license, but nothing about college.

She shopped b/c of issues with a VBAC.

There was a story recently where a woman MOVED b/c her hospital would not let her do a VBAC. This despite her OB being totally fine with it. Having hte opportunity for a VBAC was important enough that she did shop around for a hospital that would recognize her rights over a *small* increase in risk. Baby was delivered this week without complications.

She would not consent to going straight to a C-section and thus the doctor wouldn't deliver her b/c the doctor only wanted to deliver her one way.

I know that the risks dont' go up too much with a VBAC after 1 or 2 c's....gotta say that after multiple c's, it gets kind of a scary.

In the end, a hospital cannot refuse to treat a pregant woman in labor, period. Insurance or not--100 kids or not. If she shows up in full labor, the on-call OB will have to handle it.

She was not denied her doctor's services on getting pregnant alone. It was due to the VBAC.


Sorry--I know nothing about her college or lack of it.