avatarland, carsland,starwarsland, what will universal do to respond?

some ppl seem to think I'm bashing universal for some reason. folks I think hey are doing great things nowadays in the parks. In fact I think they have been killing disney with what they have done and all disney has done is add more shopping to downtown disney and add a parking garage. which took 3 years by the way. a parking garage??? Universal is doing so well it's forced disney to make a huge investment back in the parks which is great for everyone. All my question was is whats next for universal, a 3rd gate a new land redoing some of their older attractions ?? I thought disney fans were defensive. What have universal fans to be defensive about they've been winning.

I don't think anyone was being defensive either........damo and others were spot on with what they said.

If you want to see real defensiveness........post a similar question on the Disney theme park side........only ask what Disney needs to do to respond to Universal.........:p
 
I think that if Universal keeps improving they will be fine. From attractions to customer service Universal has upped their game and I hope they continue to do so. Universal has a new hotel and a new water park coming and it much more affordable especially when it comes to AP. May I add that when trying to book in room in Orlando for an overnight trip. A standard room at AOA was $150 while for that exact price I would get a suite at CBBR.

When Disney announces Star Wars land or what they plan to do with DHS, we will see. If it's not until 2020 my excitement may deflate. Avatar does not excite me all that much.
 
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I don't think anyone was being defensive either........damo and others were spot on with what they said.

If you want to see real defensiveness........post a similar question on the Disney theme park side........only ask what Disney needs to do to respond to Universal.........:p

heh heh I did when they opens harry potter and the biggest answer was something, anything lol
 
ridiculous??? Universal in the last 3 years has been building new attractions quicker and faster than disney and is starting to take away market share from the slow moving wdw parks. harry potter was built in 2 years, kong will be done in 1, avatarland with be 3 years. disney will anounce this weekend a 3 billion plus construction for wdw parks to respond to how well universal is doing. my question is simply what will universal do next to respond. how is that ridiculous?

But you have it the wrong way around. Those things are D's responses to U's awesomeness. U doesn't need to respond. Those short-memoried enough to forget the order things went will never be convinced that U started these things on their own anyway.

........only ask what Disney needs to do to respond to Universal.........:p

It always comes down to "nothing" because D has pixie dust. Or magic. Or Walt was there. Things like that.

But then it also gets U fans to respond, which is causing people to try it out, which causes some of them to like it, which is making it more crowded for us and now they've raised the ap renewal rates. We've got to stop telling people about the place
 

Couldn't agree more! Stop telling people about USO!
Like I said, I haven't been to WDW in a few years but, I'm looking forward to taking my 3 kids. I know we will have a blast! The WDW side of these boards can sure give one a headache with all the *****ing and complaining though!
 
Couldn't agree more! Stop telling people about USO!
Like I said, I haven't been to WDW in a few years but, I'm looking forward to taking my 3 kids. I know we will have a blast! The WDW side of these boards can sure give one a headache with all the *****ing and complaining though!

It is strange.....I'm not sure why.....but there is alot more "Entitlement" on the WDW section of DIS. The Darkside of the forum seems more focused on having fun and less focused on complaining about every little thing that wasn't perfect.
 
Couldn't agree more! Stop telling people about USO!
Like I said, I haven't been to WDW in a few years but, I'm looking forward to taking my 3 kids. I know we will have a blast! The WDW side of these boards can sure give one a headache with all the *****ing and complaining though!

I agree three!!! We need to stop letting everyone know how good Universal really is......lol....

Haven't been to Disney since 09 and have no interest in going back.....not knocking it in any way, it's just not for us.......especially now.......we don't plan anything. And they have nothing new coming up that appeals to us in any way......DH might just like a SW thingy......me....not so much.

We first went to Universal in 07 and many, many people were amazed we loved it so much.......Disney fans were horrified when I suggested they should try it......think they would rather have pulled their toenails out without anaesthesia.......lol.......one of the best things was,......there was no one there......first couple of years we more or less had the place to ourselves some days......it was fantastic. Although I'm glad it's so successful now......I do miss those halcyon days....things are certainly different now....everyone seems to be clamouring to get to Universal who I'm sure a few years ago wouldn't have set foot in the parks.
 
It is strange.....I'm not sure why.....but there is alot more "Entitlement" on the WDW section of DIS. The Darkside of the forum seems more focused on having fun and less focused on complaining about every little thing that wasn't perfect.

Well, WDW is making loads of promises, they are making these things and telling us that it'll make things SO amazing...and then the things break and don't work and glitch and FP+ arrangements disappear or are flat out cancelled and it's making it SO hard on people. If you make giant promises and then break them, people are allowed to be disappointed and sad. They felt they were entitled (not in a bad sense of the word) to them, but now they aren't getting them, and it sucks.

Or everything is perfect. They put out hours, you make all your arrangements, it went smoothly and beautifully and wonderfully...and then WDW changes the hours on you. This is bad when you have pre-opening ADRs made and then the park is open, and you're sitting at a character meal while the hordes descend on what was *supposed to be* an empty park. YOU were supposed to be first in the park, and now you're an hour or more late. Because they tell US to make these arrangements 180 days in advance (ADRs) or 90 days (FP+ for onsite) but they can't work out how to not change their hours.

Much of the feeling of being entitled to something is because WDW sells that feeling. And they aren't delivering. A lot of the anger is righteous.
 
I hate to admit that I used to be one of those Disney loyalist. I didn't hate Universal but Disney won my dollars every time. But in the last couple years Disney really turned me off. I've been very pleased with Universal.
 
I used to be pretty biased and prefered Disney to Universal. However, when WWoHP came along, it opened my eyes that Uni could be pretty great. It wasn't until I went to Diagon and realized "Wow, I enjoy Universal a lot more then Disney lately." It's mostly because both of Universal's parks feel very complete, unlike 3/4 Disney ones. Being able to go back and forth between parks at ease is great. Universal has gotten new additions almost every year as of late, each being great and innovative, compared to Disney's big hyped up Fantasyland expansion being rather underwhelming, which was one of the few additions in the past 5 years. And when Universal closes something down, or teases something new, you can feel assured that the new thing is coming soon, like in 1-3 years. Not... seven. Seven dang years to get Avatar out since announcement. That's just ridiculous.
 
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I think Star Wars Land (which is still rumor, but pretty much going to happen), is going to be Disney's real response to HP. Avatarland was back at the time but it is not real competition with HP. Star Wars is pretty much the only thing they can do that can compete with it. I am very loyal to Disney and they will always have my heart. But Universal has really stepped up it's game and I will fully admit HP exceeds anything Disney currently has. So I hope they step up their game.
 
I think universal seems to have gotten a very clear message that if they put more into the parks than just having a lot of different rides (ex. hogsmeade, diagon alley, and springfield) they can lure people away from disney for a day or 2...if they keep at their current pace, and assuming disney doesn't respond with equally as impressive additions/upgrades...it likely will be disney that has to scramble to respond to universal very soon. before universal figured that out...disney could easily ignore almost everything universal did...but not any more.

they announced that they had lincensed nintendo properties earlier this year, and the obvious options would be mario kart (maybe a trackless sort of autopia ride? drive over a staticly placed banana peal to spin might be something people aim for rather than try to avoid) metroid (maybe spiderman/transformers/forbidden journey style ride with MIB type shooting.) and perhaps zelda (maybe a mummy style coaster?) the walkaround characters would be easily recognizable.

would possibly be a coup if they could license the other popular dreamworks films to pair with Shrek/Dispicable Me...Dragons would be a good choice. and since Jurassic World did so well in theaters...maybe go back and add some dark ride that doesn't do the whole "it's the jungle cruise...nice, calm and relaxing...omg a #%$#$ huge drop...where'd that come from" which could be a nice option on hot days (when most people would ride the existing ride)...and a more appealing option on cold days/night.

there are few properties out there that could really compete with star wars (especially since uni already has HP)...but star trek (if done right...and assuming disney doesn't buy it first) could come close...fortunately out in florida universal doesn't have to worry about how disney could use marvel...and out in california...well...they've got more issues with space than with "what else could we do"

they could also use some better night time entertainment...the attempt to replicate world of color...is ok..but they have a huge amount of space in IOA (right in the middle) where they could put something really good...maybe like a main st. electric parade or paint the night...but on water.
 
Let's see, the rumors/confirmed additions to the parks include: Kong, Hello Kitty, Volcano Bay water park, Nintendo, Fast and Furious, Jimmy Fallon, . The first 3 are expected to be done before Avatarland opens.
Disney has a big problem,at the rate they build their projects kids in middle school today may be graduating high school when Disney gets around to completing some of these projects.Universal also builds quick,I would not be surprised to see a third theme park built or in construction when DHS opens some of these lands,a third theme park along with Volcano Bay might cause people to instead of taking 1-3 days from their Disney trip to go to spend 3-5 days at Universal leaving 1-2 days at Disney or skipping it altogether,this wont happen with most visitors but enough for Disney to see declines in profits,Disney should be terrified the day Universal announces a 3rd gate.Also was anyone underwhelmed by the model for Avatar??This is coming from an AP holder for both resorts so I like them both,I just know how Disney works and they're the ones playing catch up to Universal right now.You know when Universal announces a project or a ride closing it won't be long until you see the new project completed,I remember how they announced Jaws closing and construction starting up almost immediately after closing with Diagon Alley becoming reality asap,compare that to the way DHS is beinghandled.
 
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The real question is whether Disney will blow it with Star Wars. When people here talk about what they want in a "star wars land" it's things like the Cantina from Episode 4. Rumors are Disney is planning on building the land around the yet to be released Episodes 7-9. It could be a brilliant move to have a new land opening during the time of the new movies. But, the long time fans especially are wanting more from the first 3 movies (Episodes 4-6).

With Universal, I'm not sure how much of it is moving more quickly and how much of it is keeping things under their hat longer so it appears quicker. Disney announced Avatarland years before construction started. By comparison, Jaw was demolished and construction started before they announced Diagon Alley. Kongs show build was completely constructed before they officially announced it.

Nintendo I have a feeling could be a Universal Avatarland. But, that I think it is because Nintendo wanted to release the announcement earlier. It could be some time before we see anything Nintendo in the parks. Right now, we don't even see a demolition spot yet. As big as Nintendo is and what is already in the works (Kong, Twisters replacement, Hello Kitty Store/Meet and Greet, and probably Disasters Replacement). Nintendo could be Universal's answer for whatever's coming for WDW's 50th.
 
With Universal, I'm not sure how much of it is moving more quickly and how much of it is keeping things under their hat longer so it appears quicker. Disney announced Avatarland years before construction started. By comparison, Jaw was demolished and construction started before they announced Diagon Alley. Kongs show build was completely constructed before they officially announced it.

But people exist that check the building permit sites in the Orlando area, so even if they were sitting around, talking about ideas, it was those plans people find and talk about that really started the excitement.

One would HOPE that they sat around talking about it, LOL.

But announcing at the start of that sit around process, like it seems Disney does, is just silly.

(And honestly they need to get away from thisLand and thatLand in terms of naming. Avatarland and StarWarsLand just sound silly.)

(but then I think the HK and Nintendo and etc stuff at Uni sounds silly, too)

(and I'm still in mourning for what Gringott's COULD have been...every time we watch HP7 inside Gringotts I remember what I thought Gringott's was going to be and I get sad again...)
 
But people exist that check the building permit sites in the Orlando area, so even if they were sitting around, talking about ideas, it was those plans people find and talk about that really started the excitement.

One would HOPE that they sat around talking about it, LOL.

But announcing at the start of that sit around process, like it seems Disney does, is just silly.

(And honestly they need to get away from thisLand and thatLand in terms of naming. Avatarland and StarWarsLand just sound silly.)

(but then I think the HK and Nintendo and etc stuff at Uni sounds silly, too)

(and I'm still in mourning for what Gringott's COULD have been...every time we watch HP7 inside Gringotts I remember what I thought Gringott's was going to be and I get sad again...)

They did get away from "Avatarland". That's the boards nickname for it the real name is Pandora: The World of Avatar. I'm sure Star Wars will get a similar name. But to the GP it will be Avatarland and Starwars Land.

Like you said, the difference with Universal's mode of operation is by the time there are plans to be pulled they are reasonably close to being finished. For example, if the after the fact rumors are true, Diagon Alley was on the drawing board the day Hogmead opened (along with a couple of smaller HP phase 2's). The plan to go big with Diagon Alley supposedly got green lit shortly after Hogsmead opened. Instead of announcing and taking away from Hogsmead, they finalized the plans, closed Jaws, Demolished Jaws, and started construction before announcing Diagon Alley.

Yes, As soon as plans started show up the boards, especially Orlando United, were a buzz of excitement about what is it going to be. And it wasn't until Diagon Alley opened that we knew exactly was Gringotts was going to be. In the case, the rumor mill may have hurt Universal. Like you said, people were expecting more from Gringotts. People knew who the builder was and saw some of their concept videos and assumed Gringotts would be more roller coaster. By comparison, we had an entire Ridethrough of 7DMT before it opened so more people knew going in what the ride was going to be.

With HK and Nintendo, I think Universal is looking at going more towards Disney's core audience of younger kids. With Nintendo, it done properly, it has the possibility of being current to the younger crowd and nostalgic to the parents at the same time. Mario Brothers was originally launched in 1983. So, a lot of the parents the parents grew up on Mario. The latest Super Mario game is coming out this year with 20 Super Mario games in between not even counting the Mario Karts and other related properties. Zelda has 16 games spanning from 1986 to the present. At this point, almost everyone under 50 was school age (under 18) for at least part of this franchise.

From a synergy perspective Nintendo combined with some Play Station and Microsoft (Xbox and PC) IP's would make a strong core for a third gate. USF for TV and Movies, IOA for written works- books, comic book, funny papers (I know the new Kong doesn't fit) and the new park for video games. Unfortunately, most people don't think that's going to happen.
 
I'm all for some competition!! I absolutely love DW and will be taking my 6 yo son to US/IOA next August for our first trip to the darkside. I know he is going to freak about that Transformers ride. They can continue to push each other to add more and build bigger and better things for all I care. As much as I love Disney, I know we will thoroughly enjoy being at Universal. My only hope is that the now confirmed Star Wars land will be AMAZING due to how well Diagon Alley was done. And if Universal then wants to counter...then game on! We all benefit from each side stepping up their game...I'm just here to enjoy it all! :yoda::wizard:
 
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Now that SWL been announced let me point out that there is no opening date issued not even a Spring of 2019. So I'm thinking that SW is a ways off. They are going to finish Avatarland first than SW.

Universal does have time to go in and make some major changes so that they are in a good place when All this stuff at WDW opens. More attractions, hotels and competitive pricing.
 
I'm all for some competition!! I absolutely love DW and will be taking my 6 yo son to US/IOA next August for our first trip to the darkside. I know he is going to freak about that transformers ride. They can continue to push each other to add more and build bigger and better things for all I care! As much as I love Disney, I know we will thoroughly enjoy being at Universal. My only hope is that the now confirmed Star Wars land will be AMAZING due to how well Diagon Alley was done. And if Universal then wants to counter...then game on! We all benefit from each side stepping up their game...I'm just here to enjoy it all! :yoda::wizard:


I agree, I want Pandora: The world of Avatar, Star Wars and Toy Story to succeed. Like you said, that will push Universal to do new and better things. Right now, Avatar is looking good and I'm not a fan of the movies. Star Wars also sounds good although the attractions sound like simulators the Disney fans complain about with Universal. Toy Story sounds like something that can be built quickly to get the ball rolling and start to catch up.
 
Don't forget about the complete redo of the Hulk which will start construction on Sept 10 and be done by sometime in the summer. Ride vehicles, track, launch, everything according to the press release. Hopefully that will finally put an end to all the people who keep saying Universal will give up Marvel..
 












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