Asking for a raise

[punkin]

Good luck. My wife works with 7 other women doing the same job with different personnel in her company. She found out there is a 30k pay difference among them with no justification for such. She's on the bottom, has more education, more experience, and longer time with the company than all but two of them. She was also told she was hired under the wrong salary pay and after 2 years of hearing that, nothing has changed.

And for those telling you that you could be fired for discussing salary is not true. No company can fire you for discussing your salary with others. That's a scare tactic management uses and is illegal. What you make is your business and you can tell who you want. If you work in the public sector in my state, your salary is publish on the internet every year by the state.

Yes. This is true.

 

[IndyRnRfan]

I live in an "at will" state-NO REASON has to be given for being fired
They could view these 3 as "trouble makers"...like the work the new hires are doing and give them the boot.

Most states are "at will" work states. Your employer has no right to tell you what you can and can't talk about. As long as you are not sharing classified information, which salaries are not, they can't restrict what you can and can't talk about. Your local news station and any lawyer would love to hear of you getting fired for talking about your pay.

 

[xlxo]

What do you think about a $15 min wage?

http://dailysignal.com/2015/10/22/s...r-heres-what-happened-to-seattles-job-market/

 

[NewRVLady]

Most states are "at will" work states. Your employer has no right to tell you what you can and can't talk about. As long as you are not sharing classified information, which salaries are not, they can't restrict what you can and can't talk about. .

sorry-but salaries ARE confidential, in this situation
This isn't like McDonald's with posted wages
The girl who was ASKED the question & looked at the pay stub of the newly hired girl ...THEN told OTHERS what that girl was making broke the rules
I think theses ladies need to really step back and reconsider!

 

[indygirl99]

sorry-but salaries ARE confidential, in this situation
This isn't like McDonald's with posted wages
The girl who was ASKED the question & looked at the pay stub of the newly hired girl ...THEN told OTHERS what that girl was making broke the rules
I think theses ladies need to really step back and reconsider!

Salaries in a hospital are not confidential. Most hospital list the salary range on the job listing.

 

[sk!mom]

My major tip would have been- don't go in as a group. Each of you should stand on your own merit and the respect they have for you in the job you do. You could all be hurt if anyone's performance is less than impressive. If you feel that YOU deserve a raise, go in and detail why but do NOT bring up other's pay. It is completely irrelevant to yours (except for the fact that you know that they are willing to pay more.)

I see no way for this to turn out well. You seem to be trying to strong arm a raise based on- we've been here longer so we deserve more. That's not how it works. I would imagine that your bosses will feel annoyed and reevaluate their opinion of you in a negative way.

 

[IndyRnRfan]

What do you think about a $15 min wage?

http://dailysignal.com/2015/10/22/s...r-heres-what-happened-to-seattles-job-market/

One of the reasons Walmart is closing so many stores.

Smart people knew this would happen, dumb ones didn't, but now they can. Unfortunately, this isn't the only place this will happen. The cookie is just starting to crumble.

 

[GaryDis]

A quick web search for "fired for discussing salary" turned up a fair number of articles that all seem to agree it's illegal to some extent for employers to do that. I'll link this Atlantic article because it's straightforward and easy.

A number of people have suggested that comparing your salary to that of others isn't appropriate, and that you need to base your salary on your own merit. Sorry, I don't get that. How else can you judge your salary other than by comparison to others doing the same job. Isn't that how you shop for a car, by comparing prices on similar vehicles? And why should anyone get paid more based on negotiating skill - unless negotiating is one of the job duties?

I find it disturbing that so many people have bought into arguments that only work for the benefit of management without really questioning them. I don't know enough about the OP's job duties or situation to judge whether going in as a team is better or worse than individually, but I'm sure both types of scenarios exist.

 

[xlxo]

Salaries in a hospital are not confidential. Most hospital list the salary range on the job listing.

Where I am.... if you make more than $51,000 USD.... your name and salary is published.

 

[Christine]

One of the reasons Walmart is closing so many stores.

Smart people knew this would happen, dumb ones didn't, but now they can. Unfortunately, this isn't the only place this will happen. The cookie is just starting to crumble.

The link provided by the previous poster was from The Heritage Foundation which is loudly vocal against the minimum wage hike and is VERY, VERY partisan. Of course, here is a bit of rebuttal from an opposing site that cites BLS statistics showing that Heritage cherry picked their data.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/25/latest-seattle-jobs-numbers-disprove-foxs-minim/205155

 

[ronandannette]

Where I am.... if you make more than $51,000 USD.... your name and salary is published.

Published where? And what locality is this? I'd like my "15 minutes of fame". What possible reason could there be for this and how do "they" know how much money everybody makes?

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

Hopefully the OP will update us on the meeting tonight.

 

[NewRVLady]

Where I am.... if you make more than $51,000 USD.... your name and salary is published.

where the heck do you live?

yeah OP-what happened??

 

[nkereina]

We felt we needed to go in as a group since we aren't discussing the actual pay of each person. We want the pay scale raised for our job description. If there was money in the budget for the starting salary to be increased then there should be enough in there for raises to be given. I'm not about to call another hospital and ask the person what they make, not appropriate. We know for a fact how much the new hires are making because one of them showed another person her paystub. She was just asking what some of the deductions were for, not trying to start anything. Our director knows what happened and is completely aware that we know how much they make.

We are also going to be discussing other problems from the various floors in the hospital that affect our office, not just the raise.

Yes, an agenda has been sent to all people involved.

Not sure how your place is set up, but do you have an HR department? If so, it might be good to loop them in. I work for a large company and HR would have the say when it comes to pay scales and job grades. We have Compensation Consultants in HR who's full time job is to research comparable positions in the industry, industry "norms" for pay, adjust job grades, etc. My manager could 100% agree with my argument for a raise, but if HR and the Comp team say no, then it's a no. Good luck!

 

[IndyRnRfan]

The link provided by the previous poster was from The Heritage Foundation which is loudly vocal against the minimum wage hike and is VERY, VERY partisan. Of course, here is a bit of rebuttal from an opposing site that cites BLS statistics showing that Heritage cherry picked their data.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/25/latest-seattle-jobs-numbers-disprove-foxs-minim/205155

Media matters, bipartisan, that's almost funny. I'd call them the exact opposite side from the heritage foundation.

Time will tell but basic economics says this isn't a great idea. Two scenarios come to mind. Raise wages, raise food prices. May cause a loss of consumers. Raise wages, cut jobs, keep prices the same.

Also need to remember, eventually automation is going to take over if you start pricing employees too high. Why pay 10 people $15/hr when you can pay 1-2 people a little more to monitor the kiosks that are replacing the people? It's already happening in the stores, restaurants aren't far behind.

 

[Christine]

Media matters, bipartisan, that's almost funny. I'd call them the exact opposite side from the heritage foundation.

Time will tell but basic economics says this isn't a great idea. Two scenarios come to mind. Raise wages, raise food prices. May cause a loss of consumers. Raise wages, cut jobs, keep prices the same.

Also need to remember, eventually automation is going to take over if you start pricing employees too high. Why pay 10 people $15/hr when you can pay 1-2 people a little more to monitor the kiosks that are replacing the people? It's already happening in the stores, restaurants aren't far behind.

Exactly!! The two sites are polar opposites and I really dislike posts that contain "information" from partisan blogs. I only posted it to show another "blog" with data with an exact opposing view. They all cherry pick the data and skew it towards their view. So I wanted to point that out in this thread because what Heritage posted was not yet confirmed fact. I wouldn't live by Media Matters either and will, personally, wait until more months of data from the BLS comes out before going either way. I think it's way too early to tell if the wage hike will have the kind of impact that some are claiming. There will be an impact, for sure. In some areas it may be negative, while creating a positive impact elsewhere so not sure how we'll get the real impact unless it's grossly slanted in one direction.[/QUOTE]

 

[Kellydelly]

As a hospital employee (RN) I can tell you that wages are very often not fair within that type of company. New hires will make more money, or just under that of people who have been doing the job for years just because of budgets changing and hospitals trying to keep their wages in line with other hospitals. I started my first job earning around $23.35, two years later new hire RNs were making 24.50, and I was making only .12 more than that. Fair? Doesn't seem like it, but I did end up getting a raise that made me earn a couple dollars more than the newer RNs after a few more months. Maybe your hospital was planning an increase for you and the other employees who had been there for a while? This scenario happens all the time in hospitals.

 

[DopeyDame]

It's really not unusual in most industries for newer employees to be making more or just a little less than older employees.
Companies offer money they need to offer to get the best employees. That usually increases more per year than the annual raises of 2 or 3%.
If you now - 5 years in - have more responsibility and are doing a significantly different job (in quality or quantity) then you very well may deserve a raise and it's totally reasonable to bring it up. But as others have said, no good can come of doing this as a group.
And if you aren't doing a significantly different job than the new employees, than there isn't necessarily a real justification for you to be making a lot more than they are.

 

[NewRVLady]

I love it when a thread is started......then no update

 

[BadgerGirl84]

I love it when a thread is started......then no update

The meeting probably went really well and the OP took the day off to go on a shopping spree with her new raise.

Kidding aside, I really am curious as to how the meeting went!