As a baseball fan I feel bad for the Oakland Athletics. Anyone else feel the same way?

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As a baseball fan I feel bad for the Oakland Athletics. Anyone else feel the same way? I guess this reporter sums up the situation well for those fans:

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In some ways, yes. But it's a business, and over the decades teams have moved on to make more lucrative stadium deals and improve attendance - and old stadiums have been torn down to build something else. Oakland was the 3rd home (if I recall correctly) of the A's franchise. LV will be the 4th!
 
Team owners are generally in sports to make money from their investment. When they don't consistently field teams that are championship contenders, they tend to lose fans. New venues or even a different city doesn't change the basic facts behind what makes for a winning team. Good coaching/players probably means more than where they are located. Cities often provide tax incentives to get a new stadium built in their area. Whether or not they eventually make more then the incentives they provided is usually hard to assess.

I am not sure all of those teams rushing to setup shop in Vegas will pan out. Most people go there to gamble and doubt it will be some huge draw of locals after the newness wears off. If you are vacationing in Vegas for a few days, seems given the choice to watch a sporting event for 3+ hr or spend that time in a casino, I can imagine what most will choose. Those from other countries traveling to Vegas to gamble probably don't even follow American sports. Let's see in 5 yrs how good the attendance is holding up.
 
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I am not sure all of those teams rushing to setup shop in Vegas will pan out.
The Las Vegas metro area is about 2.5 million people, enough to support several professional sports teams.

It could still be a honeymoon period but if so it is a great honeymoon period for the owners.

For example Mark Davis bought the WNBA Las Vegas Aces for 2 million in 2018. The team is now valued at $140 million. That is an incredible return on investment.

The Vegas Golden Knights have found a rabid fan base and the Raiders are filling their stadium.

But I think the A's are not being welcomed because of the owners personality and his inability to secure funding. The tax payers in Las Vegas are not happy about the idea of paying for yet another stadium.
 

Yea, I expect Vegas has as good a chance as any city to be successful with sports teams. Oakland just didn't seem to have the fan base to maintain the teams they once did. I believe in the past decade, they lost their NBA, NFL, and now MLB franchises to other cities.

We were in Vegas in the fall - I can attest to the rabid GK's fan base! They love that team there. Of course, winning helps with that, the the GKs have been winning. I can also say we saw a lot of fans from the other teams in town for the hockey games. Fans will travel to Vegas for a sports road trip!
 
Been an A's fan since 1968. We said our goodbyes to the team last year. And I live in Sacramento where the team is supposed to be playing starting next season until, and IF a new stadium is built in Las Vegas. We were also regulars at Spring Training for a decade until greed pushed ticket prices through the roof.
As nice as the West Sacramento ball park is, it is a minor league ballpark. And 24 years after it opened, due to poor planning by the City of West Sacramento, it really has major accessibility issues now. They allowed too much development with too much density around Sutter Health Park. Three of the main parking lots are now apartment buildings.
Not sure how Sacramento will work out. They are taking out the natural grass and putting in turf because the minor league River Cats will still be playing there, so the concern is natural grass will not stand the wear. We are just coming off a summer with 44 days of 100 degrees or more, boy that won't be any fun for the players or fans on artificial turf.
Vivek Ranadivé, the owner of the Sacramento Kings, and Sutter Health Park and the River Cats minor league baseball team is buddies with John Fischer, the A's owner. He spearheaded the move to Sacramento.
@Buzz Rules , as we have discussed on this forum in the past, billionaires employing millionaires need to stop expecting working women and men to subsidize their teams and their stadiums. That has been a central issue in Sacramento with efforts to build a soccer stadium and secure an MLS team. $200 million franchise fee? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Plus a publicly financed stadium? Sacramento is still hurting after paying Al Davis $1 million to consider Sacramento as home to the Raiders. And at this point, I would say odds are against the A's getting a stadium built in Las Vegas.
I have lost any respect I had for professional sports of all kinds.
 
I will say this...I love that the news station allowed their anchor to tell it like it is. I'm sure there are many locals that share his sentiments.

On one hand, he's not wrong and I feel bad for fans. On the other, it seems to be the way with professional sports. It's going to have interesting ripple effects going forward with regard to those fans. While it's not the exact same scenario, I think about the NFL and Houston losing the Oilers. Bud Adams wanted a new stadium but couldn't make it work with Houston according to his wants and needs, so he shopped around and found Nashville to be more receptive to his demands/wishes. While there are some Houston people that continued to be fans after the Oilers became the Tennessee Titans, many were so angry that they turned their backs on the team. Bud Adams was also a real piece of work (nicest way I can put it) and refused to allow McNair to use the Oiler name for what would be the Houston Texans when they joined the NFL. So, it just increased the hatred for anything tied to Bud Adams and the team he pulled from Houston.

So, time will tell how A's fans respond in the long run. I'm sure the team will find a fan base in Vegas and going to a ball game will just be one more fun thing you can do when visiting. The team has been around since 1901 and other MLB teams like the Dodgers still had success after a major move. So I'm sure there are many loyal fans that will remain fans. Others may be so ticked off like the Oilers example that they move on.
 
Been an A's fan since 1968. We said our goodbyes to the team last year. And I live in Sacramento where the team is supposed to be playing starting next season until, and IF a new stadium is built in Las Vegas. We were also regulars at Spring Training for a decade until greed pushed ticket prices through the roof.
As nice as the West Sacramento ball park is, it is a minor league ballpark. And 24 years after it opened, due to poor planning by the City of West Sacramento, it really has major accessibility issues now. They allowed too much development with too much density around Sutter Health Park. Three of the main parking lots are now apartment buildings.
Not sure how Sacramento will work out. They are taking out the natural grass and putting in turf because the minor league River Cats will still be playing there, so the concern is natural grass will not stand the wear. We are just coming off a summer with 44 days of 100 degrees or more, boy that won't be any fun for the players or fans on artificial turf.
Vivek Ranadivé, the owner of the Sacramento Kings, and Sutter Health Park and the River Cats minor league baseball team is buddies with John Fischer, the A's owner. He spearheaded the move to Sacramento.
@Buzz Rules , as we have discussed on this forum in the past, billionaires employing millionaires need to stop expecting working women and men to subsidize their teams and their stadiums. That has been a central issue in Sacramento with efforts to build a soccer stadium and secure an MLS team. $200 million franchise fee? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Plus a publicly financed stadium? Sacramento is still hurting after paying Al Davis $1 million to consider Sacramento as home to the Raiders. And at this point, I would say odds are against the A's getting a stadium built in Las Vegas.
I have lost any respect I had for professional sports of all kinds.
NYCFC is taking no public money for their stadium.
 
I feel horrible for the fans. I don’t know all the details, but have read a little. An owner that didn’t want to put money into the team. Then using attendance (and lack of a new stadium) as the reasons for moving. What a horrible situation for the fans.

I can see this happening to my team (Pirates). While they still have a beautiful ballpark, their lease is up in 2030 I think. All our owner has to do is say attendance is bad and try to move the team for the highest amount of money.

While I get it’s a business that’s the only reason he (Pirates owner) is in it. He doesn’t care at all about the on field product. They just released a guy yesterday who has been crap all season. He only needed a couple more at bats to get a $200,000 bonus. If they were going to release him they should’ve months ago. The optics are horrible now.

While I can’t speak for Oakland, when the Pirates are winning they sell well. Back in the mid 2010s when we were making the playoffs for the first time in 20+ years they were selling well. Now that they are back to bottom dwellers they aren’t. Although they did well at the beginning of the season when they were doing well.

If these owners (Pittsburgh I can speak for lore than others) would spend money to field a team, they would get the fans.
 
NYCFC is taking no public money for their stadium.
Well, yes and no. The city is giving $516 million in tax breaks from what I can tell.

Public money contributions to the New York City Football Club (NYCFC) stadium are limited to tax breaks and infrastructure improvements for neighboring areas. The stadium's construction is being fully financed by NYCFC's owners, but the city is expected to lose money from the deal:
  • Tax revenue
    The New York City Independent Budget Office estimates that the city will lose at least $516 million in property tax revenue over the 49-year lease.
  • Public skepticism
    Some critics question the need for public money contributions, given the wealth of the team's owners. Others say that stadium subsidies rarely generate net economic benefits.
 
Well, yes and no. The city is giving $516 million in tax breaks from what I can tell.

Public money contributions to the New York City Football Club (NYCFC) stadium are limited to tax breaks and infrastructure improvements for neighboring areas. The stadium's construction is being fully financed by NYCFC's owners, but the city is expected to lose money from the deal:
  • Tax revenue
    The New York City Independent Budget Office estimates that the city will lose at least $516 million in property tax revenue over the 49-year lease.
  • Public skepticism
    Some critics question the need for public money contributions, given the wealth of the team's owners. Others say that stadium subsidies rarely generate net economic benefits.
It's not perfect but NYC is totally different than most sports markets.
 
I have never been a baseball fan, but I did attend some of the A's games during the Bash Bros years. The Colosseum was a BEAUTIFUL place to see a game. It was purpose built for BASEBALL and had great sight-lines from every seat. It was easily accessible via BART, back when BART was still a safe, comfortable way to get around (not so much anymore). It was far better than Candlestick on the other side of the bay. That was a dual purpose stadium that was better for football (though not great) and terrible for baseball. The Raiders played in the original Colosseum, then Al Davis moved them to LA when Oakland refused to renovate the Colosseum to add luxury box seats. The Raiders played for a number of seasons in LA, then moved back when Oakland acquiesced and added the box seats. This absolutely ruined the Colosseum for baseball. It's more complicated, but that is about the time that the A's went from a big budget team to a small market team. See Moneyball if you haven't yet - it's excellent! To absolutely no surprise to anyone paying attention, the Raiders moved again when Las Vegas agreed to build them a shiny new stadium.

Problem now is it's not just the Raiders leaving, but also the Warriors leaving (who also got shiny new digs across the Bay) and the progressive law enforcement (total lack thereof). Oakland has a decent airport, but also has ridiculous crime. It is home to the ONLY In-n-Out Burger that has ever closed - ever. It is not hard to find video of people brazenly breaking in to rental cars in the parking lot, stealing luggage. OAK also issued warnings to NOT gas up rental cars at the gas stations nearest the airport - just too much crime. Try and name any other city where this is the norm - it just doesn't exist.

So yeah, it does leave me sad to see the A's leave, especially since I did get to experience them at their absolute apex. It has been a stunning fall. The fans blame the owner, but Oakland is far more the reason. The fact that they are choosing to play in a minor league ball field in Sacramento until the stadium is ready in Las Vegas...well...not sure what to make of that.
 
I have never been a baseball fan, but I did attend some of the A's games during the Bash Bros years. The Colosseum was a BEAUTIFUL place to see a game. It was purpose built for BASEBALL
Actually it was multi purpose from the beginning. And architecturally it was beautiful. The whole site is. But, it wasn't purpose built for baseball and many of the sight lines inside are not so good.
and had great sight-lines from every seat.
Not so great. The seats were quite a ways back from the field down the lines and the view from those seats in the lower deck was terrible. The great view of the hills beyond the stadium was blocked by an addition put in for the raiders during their second term in Oakland. which is in center field in the baseball configuration and not needed in the least. It was unceremoniously dubbed Mt. Davis.
It was easily accessible via BART, back when BART was still a safe, comfortable way to get around (not so much anymore).
The walk from the Bart Station to the stadium via the bridge is a long one that goes for about a block, then across some railroad tracks, and then drops you off behind the outfield. To get to behind home plate or to Oracle, you then have to walk around the stadium itself. Bart still is safe.
It was far better than Candlestick on the other side of the bay. That was a dual purpose stadium that was better for football (though not great) and terrible for baseball.
Actually it was Candlestick that was originally built for baseball and then renovated to accommodate football. The reason Candlestick was terrible for baseball is they built it facing the exact wrong way to deal with the wind. Unfortunately, the wind there comes in off the ocean through the Alemany gap and deflected off the adjacent hill blowing right into the face of the fans as it blew in from left field. It even caused balks. The deflectors they had built into the stadium to deflect the wind worked.... to deflect the wind right onto the rest of the fans of course. And when they enclosed it for football, it just made the wind swirl worse. And heaters built into the stadium never worked making it freezing there at night. It was so bad, if you survived for extra innings at a night game you got a special button

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The Latin words translate as I came, I saw, I lived. The ice on top of the SF is a great touch. I have earned some of those myself. Oh and if you got "lucky" and the wind wasn't blowing, the fog would roll in and because of the humidity, it was still freezing. Twain once quipped, the Coldest winter I've ever spent was the summer I spent in San Francisco. He must have visited a place near where the ballpark ended up built.
The Raiders played in the original Colosseum, then Al Davis moved them to LA when Oakland refused to renovate the Colosseum to add luxury box seats. The Raiders played for a number of seasons in LA, then moved back when Oakland acquiesced and added the box seats. This absolutely ruined the Colosseum for baseball.
Not really. It just ruined the nice view of the hills. The baseball configuration other than the monstrosity in the outfield was the same.
It's more complicated, but that is about the time that the A's went from a big budget team to a small market team. See Moneyball if you haven't yet - it's excellent! To absolutely no surprise to anyone paying attention, the Raiders moved again when Las Vegas agreed to build them a shiny new stadium.
The A's cheapskate tendencies date far back beyond then. It was present even before the A's were in Oakland. During the Johnson era, they colluded with the Yankees sending virtually every budding young star to the Yankees for an aging washed up player and cash. They were essentially run as a low budget Yankees AAA farm team, but instead of being in AAA, they were in the Major Leagues. By the way, such collusion was against the rules. During the Finley era prior to free agency, Finley was notorious and outspoken about how a player would play for Finley what he offered, or he wouldn't play for anyone. Despite winning 3 World Series, attendance lagged. Nobody wanted to give their money to Finley. He was seen as that big of a jerk. And once free agency came about, the A's were gutted, the few great players that hadn't been traded left as soon as they were free agents. In fact, the bash bros era for the A's was not typical in either payroll (high for the A's anyway) or attendance (good)
Problem now is it's not just the Raiders leaving, but also the Warriors leaving (who also got shiny new digs across the Bay) and the progressive law enforcement (total lack thereof). Oakland has a decent airport, but also has ridiculous crime. It is home to the ONLY In-n-Out Burger that has ever closed - ever. It is not hard to find video of people brazenly breaking in to rental cars in the parking lot, stealing luggage. OAK also issued warnings to NOT gas up rental cars at the gas stations nearest the airport - just too much crime. Try and name any other city where this is the norm - it just doesn't exist.
Crime is down in Oakland just like it is in the rest of the country. And it is nothing compared to what it used to be Violent crime in the 70s and 80s, was twice what it is today.
So yeah, it does leave me sad to see the A's leave, especially since I did get to experience them at their absolute apex. It has been a stunning fall. The fans blame the owner, but Oakland is far more the reason. The fact that they are choosing to play in a minor league ball field in Sacramento until the stadium is ready in Las Vegas...well...not sure what to make of that.
Terrible ownership. And it has been that way with this franchise throughout most of its history.
 












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