Article: Activists rally against SWA over Seaworld

Yes, but remember the publicity alone is a victory.

You hear nothing further about Escape from Tomorrow for a reason.

True, very true. But I did hear someone mention it on a non-Disney podcast and that it was one of the better rated movies of 2013 on Rotten Tomatoes.
 

I am personally sick and tired of this "Blackfish" crap.

Yes skip maybe you should make a movie called golden fur exposing Duffy as a evil money making device used to secretly bring down build a bear stores so Disney can buy them And corner the market on expensive clothes for a bear.
 
I am personally sick and tired of this "Blackfish" crap.

Amen to that. If you don't like it, don't go. But quit trying to beat people over the head with it. All that does is make me tune you out.

There are way bigger issues in the world to deal with. Like FP+ and free dining rumors! Lol
 
What I don't understand is...what do these activists expect to happen to all the animals at SeaWorld parks if they did convince everyone to stop going? Who will care and pay for the animals then? They can't be returned to the wild, they'll just die!

I haven't seen blackfish, so maybe I can't comment but I'm not stupid, SeaWorld had to gain their Orcas somehow but the world is very different now to how it was when people were going out to catch these amazing animals. No doubt things we do now in 20, 30 or 40 years from we will look back and say we shouldn't be doing that! The world has moved on since then and it's about time everyone moved on about blackfish.

Sorry for the rant.

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What I don't understand is...what do these activists expect to happen to all the animals at SeaWorld parks if they did convince everyone to stop going? Who will care and pay for the animals then? They can't be returned to the wild, they'll just die!


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or end up like the whale from free willy, he was released into the wild but ended up having to be hand feed as that was all he knew and other wales didn't take him into their packs like it was hoped for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiko_(orca)
 
The reason for all this PETA crap is money. They film things and write things that are one sided, and angled to show some abusive behavior. Then they show this to investors who then donate millions of dollars to their cause. Take a look at the salary of the head of PETA, a non profit organization. Yes, I am sure that PETA has done some good for abused animals, but what really makes money, is when they go after the mainstream animals, that being SeaWorld, Ringling Bros, and Marineland.
 
At least Keiko was able to die in the natural environment he was born in, and not in some nasty artificial tank. After his return to the real ocean, he lived for several years and even chose to leave his "caretakers" on his own. Yes, in the end, he did eventually die, and many would see that as a sad thing, but, all creatures die, and he at least had a chance to have freedom after languishing in a pathetic tiny, overheated tank in Mexico. His nasty skin condition eventually cleared up too. I think a lot of people are under the impression that he was returned to Icelandic waters just to die shortly after. No, it was years after. Even so, had he remained in Mexico, he most likely would have died sooner, and would not have had that taste of freedom and had the chance to swim thousands of miles in his home environment, and catch live fish on his own.
When anti-captivity folks bring up the potential "freeing" of the orcas, it's not just "dumping" them back into the ocean. There is a lot more to it and it involves a lot of work, a lot of planning, and a lot of money. It's not an easy feat, and it wouldn't be feasible for a good number of captive orcas (i.e. the ones born in captivity). But there are a few that are from the Pacific Northwest resident population, and it is known where their families are. As smart, and social as orcas are, they would know their family members, even after they were kidnapped 40 years ago. Do humans ever forget a family member that was taken away from them? Does a mother forget her baby? it's the same for orcas. There is a lot of support for letting Lolita (a female orca held at the Miami Seaquarium) retire and rejoin her family. It is known that her mother and even her Grandmother (who is 102 years old) are still alive, and they know exactly where they are. After all of the money Lolita has made the Miami Seaquarium, she deserves to live out the rest of her life with the family she was wrongly stolen from.

For the record, I am not a member of PETA or an animal rights zealot, but I feel a strong spiritual connection to the orcas, and have studied them my entire life. I just feel captivity is plain wrong, (not for ALL animals, but for certain animals that are not at all suited for captivity) and I have made the personal decision to not support it.
 
There will always be two sides of the argument, and the school that feels that Keiko's release was successful, and those that feel it wasn't, but I found this great article written by Paul Spong, who is an orca expert, which is worth reading.

http://keiko.com/pSpongStatement.html
 
This is the same crap that PETA pulled when they tried to get everyone to stop buying Uggs because they were made out of actual sheep skin! They showed videos and described this horrendous practice used to cause a sheep's wool to grow more thickly. But they never *said* that Ugg used that practice. They just inferred it by showing it in the same articles that talked about how horrendous it was that Uggs were actual sheep skin with the wool turned into the inside. Ugg has stated quite emphatically that they never used that practice, and that their sheepskin comes from a co-process for lambs for food. But PETA kind of ignores all that.

I abhor PETA's methods. Always have.

(Of course, the friends who had posted all this stuff for PETA really didn't have an answer when I asked what about leather shoes? Which are real cow skin! :confused3_ )

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At least Keiko was able to die in the natural environment he was born in, and not in some nasty artificial tank. After his return to the real ocean, he lived for several years and even chose to leave his "caretakers" on his own. Yes, in the end, he did eventually die, and many would see that as a sad thing, but, all creatures die, and he at least had a chance to have freedom after languishing in a pathetic tiny, overheated tank in Mexico. His nasty skin condition eventually cleared up too. I think a lot of people are under the impression that he was returned to Icelandic waters just to die shortly after. No, it was years after. Even so, had he remained in Mexico, he most likely would have died sooner, and would not have had that taste of freedom and had the chance to swim thousands of miles in his home environment, and catch live fish on his own.
When anti-captivity folks bring up the potential "freeing" of the orcas, it's not just "dumping" them back into the ocean. There is a lot more to it and it involves a lot of work, a lot of planning, and a lot of money. It's not an easy feat, and it wouldn't be feasible for a good number of captive orcas (i.e. the ones born in captivity). But there are a few that are from the Pacific Northwest resident population, and it is known where their families are. As smart, and social as orcas are, they would know their family members, even after they were kidnapped 40 years ago. Do humans ever forget a family member that was taken away from them? Does a mother forget her baby? it's the same for orcas. There is a lot of support for letting Lolita (a female orca held at the Miami Seaquarium) retire and rejoin her family. It is known that her mother and even her Grandmother (who is 102 years old) are still alive, and they know exactly where they are. After all of the money Lolita has made the Miami Seaquarium, she deserves to live out the rest of her life with the family she was wrongly stolen from.

For the record, I am not a member of PETA or an animal rights zealot, but I feel a strong spiritual connection to the orcas, and have studied them my entire life. I just feel captivity is plain wrong, (not for ALL animals, but for certain animals that are not at all suited for captivity) and I have made the personal decision to not support it.

What I am about to post is not meant to be disrespectful in any way shape or form.

I apologize in advance if I offend anyone.

Use of words like "kidnapped", "wrongly stolen", "pathetic, tiny, overheated" etc are very similar to the tactics used by PETA.

We are attaching human traits to these animals and they are not human. Orcas may be highly intelligent for an animal, but it is still an animal. Orcas have killed those who treat them the best and deliver food and stimulation. Please don't think I blame the orca anymore than I blame the tiger that hurt Roy of and Roy. They are wild creatures and we lose site of that. They have natural instincts and we can't fault them for that.

What we can do to honor them is to stop giving them human traits. They are beautiful animals, but they are animals.

I would also venture a guess that a lot of folks that are upset by this got their first experience with an orca from Seaworld.

Without SeaWorld, I'm guessing folks would not care as much.

I have a reason to believe this.

Something happened in the last few days that absolutely sickens me and I have not seen a word posted about it here,

Something called the Dallas Safari Club auctioned off a permit to hunt and kill one of the rarest and most in danger of extinction animals on earth...the black rhino.

Experts believe there are less that 5000 left.

Their reason for doing this...because it will help the rest of the rhinos. They state that they will donate the money raised to countries in Africa to help raise awareness and educate people about the rhino.

The said news...some tool with a lot of money paid $350,000 to hunt and kill an endangered animal.

I'm not sure how far $350,000 will go in poor countries, so in my opinion, it's legitimized murder.

I'm guessing SeaWorld raises multiples of $350,000 every day and does it's best to educate guests about the animals on display....none of which are endangered, except maybe the manatee.

All that being said.....no one has posted a word about this. No outrage. No bands canceling performances, Nothing. Zilch. Squat.

It's because of this that I think this hoopla over SeaWorld is overblown.
 
I have very proudly purchased an annual pass to SeaWorld, because the revenue from that annual pass will go to help feed and care for these wonderful animals. Also, it helps support the people who feed, care for, and truly love these animals. I feel sorry for those who have been vilified by someone with a video camera and an agenda.

Is the revenue and royalties from "Blackfish" going to help marine life? Being donated to animal charities? How is the revenue from "Blackfish" being used?

It is okay if Shamu dies, as long as he dies in the ocean? Very interesting train of thought. SeaWorld is "cruel," so let Shamu go hungry and die? Pewrsonally, I think THAT would be cruel!!!!! Shamu can't hunt.

If animals in captivity is wrong......doesn't that call domestic pets into question?

What about police dogs?

Before people paint a person or organization as evil, they should take the time to get to know the people involved!!!!! Not just jump on someone's ban wagon because it is cool.

This whole situation is a bunch of crap, and frankly, extremely annoying.

Please move on!!!!!!!!!!
 
I have very proudly purchased an annual pass to SeaWorld, because the revenue from that annual pass will go to help feed and care for these wonderful animals. Also, it helps support the people who feed, care for, and truly love these animals.

That's one of the reasons why I am proud to have a annual pass for the Toronto Zoo as it not only helps support the zoo but I can get to see some of the worlds creatures that I wouldn't get to see otherwise.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11288498@N02/sets/72157615417952881/
 
At least Keiko was able to die in the natural environment he was born in, and not in some nasty artificial tank. After his return to the real ocean, he lived for several years and even chose to leave his "caretakers" on his own. Yes, in the end, he did eventually die, and many would see that as a sad thing, but, all creatures die, and he at least had a chance to have freedom after languishing in a pathetic tiny, overheated tank in Mexico. His nasty skin condition eventually cleared up too. I think a lot of people are under the impression that he was returned to Icelandic waters just to die shortly after. No, it was years after. Even so, had he remained in Mexico, he most likely would have died sooner, and would not have had that taste of freedom and had the chance to swim thousands of miles in his home environment, and catch live fish on his own.
When anti-captivity folks bring up the potential "freeing" of the orcas, it's not just "dumping" them back into the ocean. There is a lot more to it and it involves a lot of work, a lot of planning, and a lot of money. It's not an easy feat, and it wouldn't be feasible for a good number of captive orcas (i.e. the ones born in captivity). But there are a few that are from the Pacific Northwest resident population, and it is known where their families are. As smart, and social as orcas are, they would know their family members, even after they were kidnapped 40 years ago. Do humans ever forget a family member that was taken away from them? Does a mother forget her baby? it's the same for orcas. There is a lot of support for letting Lolita (a female orca held at the Miami Seaquarium) retire and rejoin her family. It is known that her mother and even her Grandmother (who is 102 years old) are still alive, and they know exactly where they are. After all of the money Lolita has made the Miami Seaquarium, she deserves to live out the rest of her life with the family she was wrongly stolen from.

For the record, I am not a member of PETA or an animal rights zealot, but I feel a strong spiritual connection to the orcas, and have studied them my entire life. I just feel captivity is plain wrong, (not for ALL animals, but for certain animals that are not at all suited for captivity) and I have made the personal decision to not support it.

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My 2 cents: I know the vast majority of people on these boards will never agree with the idea that SeaWorld is bad/orcas should be released/etc, and I'm not trying to change anyone's minds (though I do mostly agree with Holly here) but I would put forth that everyone commenting on the issue should at least watch the film to see what's being said, and so they don't have to start every comment with 'I haven't seen it, but...'
 







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