Are we crazy?????

[Mzpalmtree]

Buy resale somewhere and save $$$. Buy enough points to book 1BR at Riviera and book it at 7 months. That's what I'd do if just buying in to DVC today. Probably buy big SSR contract via resale.

But if you buy resale you can’t stay at RIV with your points unless you were already a previous blue card member. My understanding this that this is a first time contract for OP so she wouldn’t be able to use her points at RIV

 

[lovin'fl]

But if you buy resale you can’t stay at RIV with your points unless you were already a previous blue card member. My understanding this that this is a first time contract for OP so she wouldn’t be able to use her points at RIV

Ah, oh yeah! Forgot. So buy SSR direct. Can they buy the 100 needed for blue card and then add another 100 via resale and use all 200 at RR?

 

[Mzpalmtree]

Ah, oh yeah! Forgot. So buy SSR direct. Can they buy the 100 needed for blue card and then add another 100 via resale and use all 200 at RR?

Yes

edited to add: I was corrected in the next comments. I don’t want to steer anyone wrong...

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Ah, oh yeah! Forgot. So buy SSR direct. Can they buy the 100 needed for blue card and then add another 100 via resale and use all 200 at RR?

No.

Just the direct points. The resale points purchased post 1/2019 can NEVER be used at RIV. Points retain their qualification based on purchase.

Yes

This is wrong.

 

[Mzpalmtree]

No.

Just the direct points. The resale points purchased post 1/2019 can NEVER be used at RIV. Points retain their qualification based on purchase.



This is wrong.

Oops. Sorry if I was wrong. I thought that once you were blue card all your points could be used at new resorts. No one listen to me !
An example of how these various resale restrictions can make everything sooo confusing and cause people to make costly mistakes (like what I would have done )

 

[lovin'fl]

Yep, DVC has made all this clear as mud, haven't they!?!?!? With all the various restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t think the previous poster was persecuting or calling buyers who choose to buy RIV uneducated. I actually think they were saying that people who know the restrictions and are familiar with how the product of DVC works (aka “educated”) are choosing to buy it anyway—that statement doesn’t imply that they are wrong or lack intelligence just merely that they know what they are doing. I could be wrong in my understanding of the previous posters intentions but that is how I understood them. For what it’s worth (which I know everyone’s opinion is just that), I agree with the pp. The only way I can see restrictions being relaxed directly on RIV resales is if people speak with their wallets and that doesn’t appear to be happening. I have no judgement on anyone who decides to buy there, however.

You could be right about the intent of the one poster, but I too think it was implied that those of us who are educated and decide to buy anyway aren’t helping the message to a Disney they should remove them.

As someone who went from no way to seeing how owning there outweighed restrictions, it’s important that everyone realizes that we go in with different ideas. I’m the first to admit that anyone who is concerned about resale value should stay away from RIV.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Oops. Sorry if I was wrong. I thought that once you were blue card all your points could be used at new resorts. No one listen to me !
An example of how these various resale restrictions can make everything sooo confusing and cause people to make costly mistakes (like what I would have done )

This is similar to other restrictions. Each set of points retains home resort, UY and restrictions. If you own resale and direct, only the direct can be used for Disney Collection trades or cruises. If you own post 1/19 resale, they can never be used at RIV or the Reflections Detox Center & Retirement Community, even if you own qualified points that can.

 

[mustinjourney]

Maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t see the appeal of Riviera. It’s so small (the lobby is super tiny), it’s design to me is boring, it’s not an “Epcot” resort any more then AoA or Pop (not sure why people keep saying that) you have to take a not-super-short gondola there.

You do realize that it is faster to get from the international gateway to riviera (including wait time for the gondolas), than to ride the monorail from MK to Grand floridian? I rode both several times this past week, and it took about 12-14 minutes to go from RIV station and WALK THROUGH the IG. Timing for just the monorail ride from MK to GF was about 15 minutes on both times I made that ride. So if VGF is a MK resort -- then RIV is definitely an epcot resort....and a DHS resort as well.

Not to mention the Murphy beds that were literally falling off the walls.

that issue has been fixed. could have happened at any resort.

Besides the mosaic murals (which are beautiful) and the gondolas this resort really has nothing going for it imo.

The restaurants there are better than any single DVC location I have seen.

The QS place can get quite busy -- but that can be fixed by using the mobile order to order your food from your room. I placed my order while on the gondolas leaving DHS and got there right when it was ready.

Topolino's is on par with Cali Grill.

Pool bar is better than any of the others.

Pool slide was smooth and fun.

Kid's splash area was really nice as well.

 

[Nicola2n]

But if you buy resale you can’t stay at RIV with your points unless you were already a previous blue card member. My understanding this that this is a first time contract for OP so she wouldn’t be able to use her points at RIV

Correct. If we buy resale we cannot stay at RIV. This is our first contract. Feeling very overwhelmed.

 

[Mzpalmtree]

Correct. If we buy resale we cannot stay at RIV. This is our first contract. Feeling very overwhelmed.

I’m sorry you are struggling with this OP. It sounds like you really do love Riviera. Of all the restrictions, the RIV resale is the toughest one honestly and I can’t seem to figure out how it will play out for everyone. I hope you are able to come up with a decision that makes you happy and that you are comfortable with.

 

[Nicola2n]

I’m sorry you are struggling with this OP. It sounds like you really do love Riviera. Of all the restrictions, the RIV resale is the toughest one honestly and I can’t seem to figure out how it will play out for everyone. I hope you are able to come up with a decision that makes you happy and that you are comfortable with.

Thank you so much. We really are struggling as there truly seems to be no answer that works for us. We either buy at RIV and have the luxury to stay at all resorts if we wanted to, BUT we don't feel super comfortable with the resale restrictions should something happen and we need to sell (we in no way think that this is something we will make money on, but don't love the idea of losing the bank if things don't work out. We don't particularly want to do resale because it limits us to not being able to stay at the new resorts going forward and we know that we will resent that. We are also Canadian so I just feel that adds another element. Our exchange rate isn't the best at the moment so the $23,000 investment comes in closer to $30,000 of our money.

 

[Soap_1984]

Not that this is the point of the thread, but it doesnt take 20 minutes to get to MK from vgf on the monorail. There will soon be a walkway from vgf, so what is your excuse then?

If I had a rocket ship that went from Toronto to epcot in 20 minutes I guess by your definition that resort with the rocket ship would be an epcot resort? Don't be ridiculous...if they tie every resort via gondolas they will all be epcot resorts then. Got it...

 

[Sandisw]

Thank you so much. We really are struggling as there truly seems to be no answer that works for us. We either buy at RIV and have the luxury to stay at all resorts if we wanted to, BUT we don't feel super comfortable with the resale restrictions should something happen and we need to sell (we in no way think that this is something we will make money on, but don't love the idea of losing the bank if things don't work out. We don't particularly want to do resale because it limits us to not being able to stay at the new resorts going forward and we know that we will resent that. We are also Canadian so I just feel that adds another element. Our exchange rate isn't the best at the moment so the $23,000 investment comes in closer to $30,000 of our money.

Well, you can split it and get the minimum of 100 at RIV, and rest via resale. That gives you points down the road for new resorts but can be combined now at 7 months for current L14 points.

if you do this and had to sell, you’d have resale contract as a back up to insulate from having to sell RIV in the short term.

 

[Nicola2n]

Well, you can split it and get the minimum of 100 at RIV, and rest via resale. That gives you points down the road for new resorts but can be combined now at 7 months for current L14 points.

Correct me if I’m wrong....we could only use the 100 direct points for new resorts though? It seems that wouldn’t get us very much....

 

[Sandisw]

Correct me if I’m wrong....we could only use the 100 direct points for new resorts though? It seems that wouldn’t get us very much....

Yes, but with banking or borrowing, you’d have 200 every other year to use. If you bank and borrow, you have up to 300 every three years.

So, it wouldn’t cover every trip, but definitely could stay some of the time. Just alternate every year with stays at RIV and the other resort.

 

[RoseGold]

Another option is OKW direct from Disney. If you buy the points direct, they are $145 with a 2057 expiration and can be used for RIV.

But honestly, I'd just rent points and wait a few years. Resale on RIV could be brutal. I don't mind being third class locked into a place, if you like that place.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Correct me if I’m wrong....we could only use the 100 direct points for new resorts though? It seems that wouldn’t get us very much....

If you were facing financial hardships and had to sell points, banking and borrowing for alternating years would seem pretty okay, tho.

 

[crvetter]

Another option is OKW direct from Disney. If you buy the points direct, they are $145 with a 2057 expiration and can be used for RIV.

I believe it is $165 now. It hasn't been $145 for a while.

 

[Nicola2n]

I believe it is $165 now. It hasn't been $145 for a while.

I think it’s definitely closer to $165. We were looking at SSR direct from Disney....but we worried that it would be really difficult to stay anywhere else at the 7 month mark and we don’t love SSR.