Are they still offering free developer points for AKL

[angel659]

Hi

Are they still offering free developer points for AKL???

I think they were offering double the points when we last went?

Many thanks

XX

 

[tjkraz]

New members can get some bonus Developer's Points but it requires a 225 minimum purchase AND a referral from a current member. Here are the details:

225 pt minimum purchase (to obtain Developer's Points)
$96 per point net ($104 - $8 incentive) at Disney's Animal Kingdom Villas
One-time bonus of 160 Developer's Points

Existing members can also receive Developer's Points with an add-on of 110 points or more. The number of DPs received varies according to the size of the add-on:

110 - 159pt add-on at SSR or AKV: 100 Developer's Points
160 - 199 pt add-on at SSR or AKV: 160 Developer's Points
200+ pt add on at SSR or AKV: 270 Developer's Points

 

[mydogdrew]

We just added on at SSR 200 points @ $94 plus 270 developer points and $500 disney rewards. We did request and receive a new December UY for this so we received 2006 points which they allowed us to bank. There are no dues on the 2006 points and will only be one month or so on the 2007 points. So starting with the first full year of dues we got 870 points on a 200point contract plus an extra $500. This was too good to pass up. With AKV, there are no 2006 points so the deal is not as attractive (but not bad).

 

[Harley-Mouse]

How did you get 270 d-points? My brother is down ther now and was looking at SSR 300 points. he was offerd 160 d-point and geting only 2007 points not 2006. so he would get 300 2007, 300 2008, & 160 d-points for his first year. Can you tell me how you got the 2006 UY points? Thank you.

 

[mydogdrew]

New owners will not get 270 this was an add-on for us. Anyone with a December UY will get 2006 points so you would have to ask for this and request that the points be banked (as they will otherwise expire this month). They probably are pushing other UY's for new members?

 

[tjkraz]

How did you get 270 d-points? My brother is down ther now and was looking at SSR 300 points. he was offerd 160 d-point and geting only 2007 points not 2006. so he would get 300 2007, 300 2008, & 160 d-points for his first year. Can you tell me how you got the 2006 UY points? Thank you.

See my post above. The 270 DPs is an incentive for current members--160 is the quantity for new members.

As for the points received, DVC will always give you the points for the current Use Year in which you purchase. December contracts are still in their 2006 UY (which runs thru 11/30/07), so they receive the '06 points as well.

Getting those 2006 points may sound...ahem, sexy...but the economic value is negligible IMO. Someone buying a December UY today will have two sets of points in their bank ('06 and '07) by 12/1. Well, two months later the same can be said for those with a February UY, who will have their '07 and '08 points available. A month later March UYs will have '07 and '08...and so on.

Getting '06 points would seem to give one an "extra" set of points, but that extra won't even be realized until the final year of the contract. Their present value is virtually nil and will be further impacted by unknown issues surrounding the manner in which DVC runs-out the resorts. Points received on 12/1/2053 may not even be usable with the contracts set to expire two months later on 1/31/2054.

In my opinion, your brother is much better off buying a Use Year that fits his vacation habits. If he's a frequent October / November guest at WDW, buying a December UY would be a very poor decision. One late cancellation is all it will take to completely wipe-out any perceived bonus received in getting the '06 points.

Dues are billed on a calendar year so there is no advantage to buying any particular Use year. Whether you own March or August or December, you'll pay the same dollars between now and 1/31/54.

 

[mydogdrew]

Getting those 2006 points may sound...ahem, sexy...but the economic value is negligible IMO. Someone buying a December UY today will have two sets of points in their bank ('06 and '07) by 12/1. Well, two months later the same can be said for those with a February UY, who will have their '07 and '08 points available. A month later March UYs will have '07 and '08...and so on.

Getting '06 points would seem to give one an "extra" set of points, but that extra won't even be realized until the final year of the contract. Their present value is virtually nil and will be further impacted by unknown issues surrounding the manner in which DVC runs-out the resorts. Points received on 12/1/2053 may not even be usable with the contracts set to expire two months later on 1/31/2054.

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This is simply not correct. The added value is in the first year - the others are identical (you will have at least two months to use those final points but we can all agree points today are worth a whole lot more than points 40+ years from now). If you get a December UY vs. say September you will get an additional year of points with no dues on those points, a huge advantage ($2000 at $10 per point in our case). UY can be important for other reasons but if December UY works for your plans it is nice to get the extra points.

 

[tjkraz]

This is simply not correct. The added value is in the first year - the others are identical (you will have at least two months to use those final points but we can all agree points today are worth a whole lot more than points 40+ years from now). If you get a December UY vs. say September you will get an additional year of points with no dues on those points, a huge advantage ($2000 at $10 per point in our case).

I don't see it that way.

As I illustrated in my post, someone with a Feb Use Year will be at exactly the same place as you 2 months from now--two years' worth of points available. However you label those points ('06, '07, '08) is irrelevant. The advantage is simply receiving use of the points 2 months earlier based upon a purchase today.

If you want to argue that simply receiving '06 now is a benefit, that's fine. But you then need to factor in that you won't receive your '07 or '08 allocation until ten months AFTER someone with a Feb Use Year. That gets us back to the same point.

The dues argument is moot since everyone pays the same amount.

UY can be important for other reasons but if December UY works for your plans it is nice to get the extra points.

No question--I totally agree. The point of my post is to illustrate that the perceived bonus received in a December Use Year is not as substantial as it seems on the surface, and that folks would be foolish to use that as motivation to buy December even if it flies in the face of their travel habits.

 

[Harley-Mouse]

thanks for the help.

 

[mydogdrew]

Dec UY will get you an extra allocation of points with no dues as compared to any other UY. That's why the dues are in play. We buy Dec and you buy any other. We both pay 2008 dues and use our 2007 and 2008 points. At then end of 2008 we each sell our contracts for the same price. I come out ahead because of 2006 and the benefit is obviously in the first year. Even if we don't sell and the pattern continues, my contract will always be the "loaded" contract commanding a premium on the resale market. I understand that you are warning of the risks of selecting UY without thought to travel patterns but there is a real measurable advantage to the extra points as well. 2006 only comes around once and in the DVC world, it ends at the end of this month. Any extra points I can get without dues is a good thing.

What if the Feb UY person puts off the purchase of a Dec UY now and waits until March 1st to add? Ouch, they lose 2006 and 2007 points!

 

[tjkraz]

Dec UY will get you an extra allocation of points with no dues as compared to any other UY. That's why the dues are in play. We buy Dec and you buy any other. We both pay 2008 dues and use our 2007 and 2008 points. At then end of 2008 we each sell our contracts for the same price. I come out ahead because of 2006 and the benefit is obviously in the first year. Even if we don't sell and the pattern continues, my contract will always be the "loaded" contract commanding a premium on the resale market. I understand that you are warning of the risks of selecting UY without thought to travel patterns but there is a real measurable advantage to the extra points as well. 2006 only comes around once and in the DVC world, it ends at the end of this month. Any extra points I can get without dues is a good thing.

Sorry. Still don't buy it.

Two people add 300 points today--one has a December Use Year, the other has a February Use year. By 2/1/08, both owners have 600 points available. For the Dec UY it's the 2006 and 2007 points--for the Feb UY it's the 2007 and 2008 points. The only difference is that the Dec UY received use of his 2nd 300 points two months earlier.

I don't see the "extra" points for the Dec UY as coming until 12/1/2053.

If you want to look at it the other way and view the 2006 as a bonus, then you also need to acknowledge the 40+ year disadvantage to a December Use Year. With a Feb, the owner receives has 2008 points on 2/1/08. With Dec, the owner receives his '08 points ten months later--on 12/1/08. And that disadvantage continues for another 45 years.

If you really want to break it down in financial terms and view rented 2006 points as income, then you need to make an accommodation for the fact that the Feb owners receive their points so much earlier in the Use year than Dec. You can't just conclude that you received a $2000 benefit because of the Dec Use Year--you need to account for the fact that those with a February use year would be able to rent their points 10 months earlier than a Dec UY for the next 45 years.

Regarding the dues, the same argument holds true for the Feb Use Year--that owner pays virtually no dues on the '07 points since the '08 points are just around the corner. You pay full dues on your '07 points.

 

[mydogdrew]

Sorry. Still don't buy it.

Two people add 300 points today--one has a December Use Year, the other has a February Use year. By 2/1/08, both owners have 600 points available. For the Dec UY it's the 2006 and 2007 points--for the Feb UY it's the 2007 and 2008 points. The only difference is that the Dec UY received use of his 2nd 300 points two months earlier.

I don't see the "extra" points for the Dec UY as coming until 12/1/2053.

If you want to look at it the other way and view the 2006 as a bonus, then you also need to acknowledge the 40+ year disadvantage to a December Use Year. With a Feb, the owner receives has 2008 points on 2/1/08. With Dec, the owner receives his '08 points ten months later--on 12/1/08. And that disadvantage continues for another 45 years.

If you really want to break it down in financial terms and view rented 2006 points as income, then you need to make an accommodation for the fact that the Feb owners receive their points so much earlier in the Use year than Dec. You can't just conclude that you received a $2000 benefit because of the Dec Use Year--you need to account for the fact that those with a February use year would be able to rent their points 10 months earlier than a Dec UY for the next 45 years.

Regarding the dues, the same argument holds true for the Feb Use Year--that owner pays virtually no dues on the '07 points since the '08 points are just around the corner. You pay full dues on your '07 points.

Just look to the resale market.

UY is not an influence on contract valuation. If I sell my 2006 points and list my December contract it will sell for the same price as a comparable Feb UY contract without 2006 points. I have bought three resale and sold three resale and UY was never a factor in the negotiations. Furthermore, the buyer typically reimburses the seller for dues paid on points allocated and available from the same calendar year. I don't buy your argument that dues paid in January 2008 are really for Dec 2007 points - that's just not how the market works.

You need to keep in mind that for every buyer that is influenced by the attraction of receiving their points early in the calendar, there is another who would prefer to receive their points later allowing more time until expiration. Lets assume the 2006 points were not available and Dec and Feb UY buyers are looking at an addon today. The Feb UY has the advantage of receiving their points earlier in the calendar and the Dec has the advantage of having a full 24 months to use their 2007 points vs. only 14 Feb UY. Take your pick.

Not only do I have an additional allocation of points with December UY that benefits me currently, I also have a full 24 months to use my 2007 points. The ability to borrow mitigates the disadvantage of receiving my future points later in the calendar each year and the resale market does not penalize me for this added flexibility.

Sure, I will only have 2 months to use my final allocation but I will be out long before then.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

Dec UY will get you an extra allocation of points with no dues as compared to any other UY. That's why the dues are in play. We buy Dec and you buy any other. We both pay 2008 dues and use our 2007 and 2008 points. At then end of 2008 we each sell our contracts for the same price. I come out ahead because of 2006 and the benefit is obviously in the first year. Even if we don't sell and the pattern continues, my contract will always be the "loaded" contract commanding a premium on the resale market. I understand that you are warning of the risks of selecting UY without thought to travel patterns but there is a real measurable advantage to the extra points as well. 2006 only comes around once and in the DVC world, it ends at the end of this month. Any extra points I can get without dues is a good thing.

What if the Feb UY person puts off the purchase of a Dec UY now and waits until March 1st to add? Ouch, they lose 2006 and 2007 points!

I happen to have a Feb UY. We are adding on 110 AKV points. I will recieve on closing 110 pts for 2007, 100 developer points. I will pay no dues on those points, according to my guide. If I had bought SSR, he said I would have had to pay 2 months of dues on a full year of points. As of 2/1/08, I will have another 110 points.

SO with my February U/Y I am also getting a dues free year worth of points, so taking a December U/Y would not benefit me more even up front. And the Feb use year works much better for us. And I am confused as to why someone would have to put off adding on until feb or march to avoid taking a december use year?? Our guide gave us Feb on the new contract when I called today. Maybe I misunderstood that part of your post(Bolded above so you could see what part I meant)?

 

[mydogdrew]

I happen to have a Feb UY. We are adding on 110 AKV points. I will recieve on closing 110 pts for 2007, 100 developer points. I will pay no dues on those points, according to my guide. If I had bought SSR, he said I would have had to pay 2 months of dues on a full year of points. As of 2/1/08, I will have another 110 points.

SO with my February U/Y I am also getting a dues free year worth of points, so taking a December U/Y would not benefit me more even up front. And the Feb use year works much better for us. And I am confused as to why someone would have to put off adding on until feb or march to avoid taking a december use year?? Our guide gave us Feb on the new contract when I called today. Maybe I misunderstood that part of your post(Bolded above so you could see what part I meant)?

Be sure to call MS and ask them to bank those 2007 points if you do not plan to use soon, otherwise they will expire 1/31/08 (normal banking rules don't apply for new contracts - but you have to ask). If you had a Dec UY you would have a full 24 months to use those 2007 points. In addition, you would have received 2006 points (which I banked). Since dues are based on calendar year, UY is not a factor. you will pay prorated dues for ~ one month for your 2007 points (same as me) but you will not receive 2006 points (which have no dues). The disadvantage for December is the last year I have only 2 months to use my points. Dec UY addon's today receive two years of points with no (little) dues associated with them. As you said, Feb works best for you so that is, by far, the most important factor. Getting extra points is useless if you end up losing them due to a last minute cancellation. Congrats on the addon.

 

[hbg4]

We just added on at SSR 200 points @ $94 plus 270 developer points and $500 disney rewards. We did request and receive a new December UY for this so we received 2006 points which they allowed us to bank. There are no dues on the 2006 points and will only be one month or so on the 2007 points. So starting with the first full year of dues we got 870 points on a 200point contract plus an extra $500. This was too good to pass up. With AKV, there are no 2006 points so the deal is not as attractive (but not bad).

Am I missing something here? The points don't add up
200 points from 2006 + 200 points from 2007 + 270 developer points = 670.
Where did the extra 200 points come from?

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

If you had a Dec UY you would have a full 24 months to use those 2007 points. Congrats on the addon.

Thanks! We are really excited. We were not going to go for AKV, but we toured the models last month. WOW is all I can say.

The 24 months for us is not really a factor, since those 2007 points were banked right away and will be used by next Monday for our Oct 08 trip

One thing I thought I would bring up in this thread, since a newer member (such as me-we bought in originally in May of 06 and there were no incentive points then for SSR) may not know this...I didn't:
Developer points/incentive points are not in your account on the DVC site like regular points. They are also only good for 1 year from your date or month of purchase and cannot be banked. They can only be used at 7 MONTHS OUT, you cannot book at 11 months with them, even at your home resort.

I wanted to use some for our May trip, and MS took some of my brand spankin' new AKV points instead. I didn't mind at first until I saw while I was reading and signing my paperwork that the incentive points could not be used at 11 mos. I had planned on using them next week to book our Oct trip at AKV. So I had to call back and get things switched around to use our incentive points in May and get the AKV points put back in my account. Big PITA. My guide mentioned the good for one year part and the fact that they would not show on the member site, but the 7 month booking window with them was a surprise.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

Am I missing something here? The points don't add up
200 points from 2006 + 200 points from 2007 + 270 developer points = 670.
Where did the extra 200 points come from?

I think it is the "first full year of dues" part. They are only paying a month of dues for 2007. So, the first full year would be 2008, which would be:
200 from 2006 + 200 for 2007 + 200 from 2008 + 270 developer points = 870.