Are ADR cancellation coordinations really fair?

[LIFERBABE]

I agree that the whole posting the definition of morality and such is way over the top. You know how it is here at the DIS. You can't just have a calm nuanced discussion about a topic without it going to extremes.

For what its worth I am with you on all of the hoppala on getting certain ADR's. But its one thing to have an advantage because you aquired a skill, i.e. knowledge, as opposed to having one because you know someone. Once again I am not saying it is wrong to coordinate ADR's but that is the difference between knowing how to get your own CRT ressie and getting one because you know the right people.

Pedler, I agree there is a difference between acquiring knowledge skills and abilities and a "hook up". Coordinating ADR's is a "hook up".

I am helping my cousins plan their first and only trip to WDW next month. They are not on the DIS. I knew it would be hard for them to get CRT, but with 3 little girls between them, that is all they heard from other friends. Their Grandmother made their Princess outfits and they waited for the 90 day mark. They were able to get lunch by calling back and getting a ressie someone cancelled. They would never have the ability to coordinate with someone on these boards who wanted to spread some pixie dust.

I think the Pixie Dust should be a concentrated effort in cancelling ADR's that aren't needed and leave the magic to the mouse.

 

[Pedler]

I guess making connections with people to get job interviews make you a loser and bad person too, eh? Also, networking luncheons are spawns of the devils in this definition.

If we're all looking for jobs, I'll let you flip through the classified ads while I go make inroads into companies with networked connections I have built.

Just as a point of clarification I did not use any derrogatory terms to describe anyone or any activities in this thread. Those are your own words not mine.

I just pointed out a difference. I think most would agree that there is a difference between getting something totally based on an aquired skill or ability and getting it based on who you know. That is all I said. I did not attatch any negative terms to the situation.

 

[lucincia]

People are saying picking up phone at 7 AM EST and war dialing WDW reservation number and yelling out "CRT PARTY OF 4 ANYTIME!" an acquired skill?

Put that on your resume.

 

[Pedler]

People are saying picking up phone at 7 AM EST and war dialing WDW reservation number and yelling out "CRT PARTY OF 4 ANYTIME!" an acquired skill?

Put that on your resume.

That would count as having the knowledge and ability to call at 7AM EST. Not everyone is aware of or can do that.

 

[lucincia]

So using your example isn't knowing about DIS, knowing which forum to look in, hooking up with right person to get ADR are acquired knowledge too? If that's not knowledge, please let me know what it is.

You're complaining about good natured cooperative spirit that people naturally do with each other when they're in good company.

 

[princesstommi]

I do think it would be nice if Disney did institute a policy of not being able to have multiple ADRs for the same party for the same meal. Having said that, I have no problem with people trying to coordinate to hand over ADRs.

I do have to say, IMHO, the begging for cancellations was getting a bit irritating. I like that there is a thread now for people to be able to hook up for that coordination.

 

[Pedler]

So using your example isn't knowing about DIS, knowing which forum to look in, hooking up with right person to get ADR are acquired knowledge too? If that's not knowledge, please let me know what it is.

You're complaining about good natured cooperative spirit that people naturally do with each other when they're in good company.

I apologize if my post appeared to be complaining about the situation. I was just pointing out that coordinating ADR cancellations provides an advantage over the general public of securing a cancelled resservation at a place like CRT. I think we can all agree that it does provide an advantage to folks here at the DIS.

I personally would like to see changes made to discourage multiple resservations that are made and not intened to be used and financial incentivess to insure people cancel ADR's. I think it would also be a good idea if cancelled ADR's were put back into the pool in such a manner as to give everyone an equal chance at getting them. Having said that I do not think there is anything wrong with the coordination of ADR cancellations though the potential for abuse is there.

 

[lucincia]

I apologize for jumping down your throat, Pedler Blame it on work here.

Anyway - I think Disney can handle the ressie system much better. They run world class theme parks and movie studios, but their reservation system suck majorly.

And don't get me started about their web site.

 

[tlbwriter]

I personally would like to see changes made to discourage multiple resservations that are made and not intened to be used and financial incentivess to insure people cancel ADR's.

Unfortunately, the easiest way to do that is to require a credit card, and then you get wails from people who can't get ADRs because they don't use a credit card. Now, personally, I think these people just need to realize that credit cards are a fact of life now, and you are definitely going to be penalized and miss out on some opportunities if you do not use one. But not everyone agrees with me.

 

[kath1210]

Folks, we are talking about ADVANCED DINING RESERVATIONS! Relax.

Boy, this DIS should just shut down now because it gives us the ADVANTAGE to know how to get a CRT reservation, of knowing when room discount codes come out, and on and on. The HORROR!!

To say that giving someone an advantage in life is unethical or immoral is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read and posting the definition of moral from the dictionary on a post about Disney dining is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

I agree with your thoughts entirely.

However, and I know this post has gotten long, if you saw my other posts you'd realize that I posted the definition because some people were arguing that no one was making this (coordinating ADR cancellations) an issue of morality. This was in response to my "morality police" statement.

I haven't gotten too annoyed with any issue here before, but this one just struck a nerve. Here we are, using our smarts, and willingness to do research, to get ADRs that we may not have gotten otherwise, and, as with so many issues here, some people feel the need to question whether it is fair, or moral, or ethical??!! Unbelievable!

IMHO, moral or ethical issues just DO NOT apply here - it's just a group of people sharing what they know to their mutual advantage, in most cases. Why take a good thing and make it seem bad?

 

[Pedler]

Anyway - I think Disney can handle the ressie system much better. They run world class theme parks and movie studios, but their reservation system suck majorly.

And don't get me started about their web site.

I think we are all in agreement on that one!

 

[SnowWhite33]

All of a sudden I'm not sure if I should feel good or bad about this.

I see nothing wrong with coordinating ADR swaps-as long as it is not for money. I know, speaking for myself, that when my 90 day mark hit I had just started a new job-no way could I be on the phone trying to get CRT, but thanks to a fellow Dis member my dgd will get to have that experience. It would not have "destroyed" our vacation if we didn't get to go, but it will surely enhance it. I have some ADRs that I will be cancelling due to some schedule changes and would like to have the opportunity to "pay it forward". I've had post cards mailed to my son, I've been a fairy god mailer. I once gave an extra E ticket to a total stranger on a Disney bus and have given unused fastpasses to other park guests on every visit (before flaming starts-yes we intended to use them, but something happens and we can't)-I guess all of that is wrong too.

The way I see it my ADRs are just that,mine. If I want to give it away, that's my right. I do think it would be wrong to not show up and not cancel (purposely), especially with the knowledge that they are so hard to come by right now. I think that most of the people "connecting" are just trying to help someone else-only now it's being turned into an issue .

 

[NCombs]

I agree with your thoughts entirely.

However, and I know this post has gotten long, if you saw my other posts you'd realize that I posted the definition because some people were arguing that no one was making this (coordinating ADR cancellations) an issue of morality. This was in response to my "morality police" statement.

I haven't gotten too annoyed with any issue here before, but this one just struck a nerve. Here we are, using our smarts, and willingness to do research, to get ADRs that we may not have gotten otherwise, and, as with so many issues here, some people feel the need to question whether it is fair, or moral, or ethical??!! Unbelievable!

IMHO, moral or ethical issues just DO NOT apply here - it's just a group of people sharing what they know to their mutual advantage, in most cases. Why take a good thing and make it seem bad?

I hadn't connected your other posts.

People get riled up don't they!! I'm off to check out the thread on the families board that says people who drive SUV's and go to McDonalds don't care about their children and don't give them afternoon breaks while at DW. Talk about riled up!

 

[tjmw2727]

I apologize for jumping down your throat, Pedler Blame it on work here.

Anyway - I think Disney can handle the ressie system much better. They run world class theme parks and movie studios, but their reservation system suck majorly.

And don't get me started about their web site.

I agree - especially now with 90 + 10 we are "expected" to make our plans months in advance based on park hours that are non-existant or "subject to change" Its frustrating to have done some planning, made some ADR's and still not have the option to dine in some of the restaurants of my families choice.

I don't think the ADR cancellation thread is wrong or unfair, I also think the numbers of us taking "advantage" are much smaller than we would like the think.

I was under the impression however that cancelled ADR's didn't go back into the system until the next morning, evidently I am mistaken about that.

TJ