AP sales…

[cm8]

I prefer the blizzard

Me two? Just not when I’m down there this winter!

 

[Sparky984]

Well, dare I say that at $3k/adult, you're going to run a lot of DVC'ers away. And with nobody to replace them with. That number for a family of 4 is way above the line for the average DVC member and their families. I can't prove it because I don't have the data to support it, but I'd be willing to bet a stupid amount of money on it.

3k for an AP makes no sense if single day passes stay where they are.

APs have to make sense for Disney (guaranteed income and the likelihood of more trips for lodging, food/beverage, etc) AND the consumer (discounted rates). We can complain all we want about the current rates, they are clearly market accepting. I think $3,000 per AP is well beyond that.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

3k for an AP makes no sense if single day passes stay where they are.

APs have to make sense for Disney (guaranteed income and the likelihood of more trips for lodging, food/beverage, etc) AND the consumer (discounted rates). We can complain all we want about the current rates, they are clearly market accepting. I think $3,000 per AP is well beyond that.

WAY beyond that. Apparently, lawyers think in numbers relative to them and forget about the rest of us.

Personally, I think they're already in forbidden territory with incredi-expensive.

 

[RivShore]

I prefer the blizzard

LOL - Agreed!

 

[greeneyedchick]

It is a great idea, hopefully someday...

It's a nice thought for the customer but why would they when they know that you will pay full price for tickets if forced to? If you're DVC, then you have already committed to coming to FL or renting your points to someone who will attend the parks. There's no reason to give you a discount (except to make you feel like Disney cares about your business).

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Irony is how is that fair to people that don't have them and need them? Point being that those of us that do have them, are holding on even tighter knowing they aren't available. If they are even remotely implying that they are waiting for the pool to open up from those who don't renew, we all know where that's headed. And they do too, furthering your point..

That's the catch 22. Disney hoped we would not notice and the non-renewal rate would remain consistent with past history. But, people caught on and now there is a huge FOMO preventing non-renewals. It has nothing to do with fairness. Disney is a business.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

It's a nice thought for the customer but why would they when they know that you will pay full price for tickets if forced to? If you're DVC, then you have already committed to coming to FL or renting your points to someone who will attend the parks. There's no reason to give you a discount (except to make you feel like Disney cares about your business).

See? Here's the thing. I think that line of thinking is invalid. But I think it happens at a certain point level. What I mean is that it probably doesn't matter to the family that bought one contract at 160 points and comes once a year. But somewhere up the food chain with number of points owned v. number of days visited per year lies a pain threshold. Now that pain threshold certainly isn't the same for everyone, but it exists somewhere for most people.

I won't pay for day tickets to use up the number of points I have per year. Had I known that losing APs was even remotely a possibility (NOT talking about the DVC perk of discounts here necessarily), I would have NEVER purchased the number of points we own. I suspect there are a lot of people that feel exactly the same way, and will do something about it besides buying day tickets if something doesn't give. And pretty darn quickly I suspect as well.

 

[lowlight]

WAY beyond that. Apparently, lawyers think in numbers relative to them and forget about the rest of us.

Personally, I think they're already in forbidden territory with incredi-expensive.

While I don’t agree with her price, as that would result in me not getting them, I agree with her principle. Disney needs to stop it with using fine print to take value away from AP’s (blackouts, reservation limits, etc), figure out a price that makes sense, and let the free market decide. His attitude towards me as a customer is making me hate Disney as a company, and that’s not a tenable relationship.

 

[greeneyedchick]

What would happen to crowds if Disney went back to having hours to midnight and EMH until 2 am as normal, not a day here or there?

I remember 30 odd years ago, during the summer open until midnight with the two parades and the fireworks in between.

It would make a huge difference and I would probably go again. I hate the heat and the son. My family is a bunch of night people. We'd love to get to the park late and stay until 2am.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

3k for an AP makes no sense if single day passes stay where they are.

APs have to make sense for Disney (guaranteed income and the likelihood of more trips for lodging, food/beverage, etc) AND the consumer (discounted rates). We can complain all we want about the current rates, they are clearly market accepting. I think $3,000 per AP is well beyond that.

Single day passes at $150/day. So 20 days is a break even for gate alone. Added value for parking, discounts etc. Chapek’s is already focused on APs being too good a value and reduces the parks to being a personal playground. His language was significant! He needs to be aggressive in asserting that WDW is a world class destination; not a personal playground.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Single day passes at $150/day. So 20 days is a break even for gate alone. Added value for parking, discounts etc. Chapek’s is already focused on APs being too good a value and reduces the parks to being a personal playground. His language was significant! He needs to be aggressive in asserting that WDW is a world class destination; not a personal playground.

Your analogy doesn't take multi-day discounts into account and most anyone traveling that number of days per year would certainly be doing multi-day trips.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I secretly think that some of you would rather they raise the prices to price out all the ones who currently have them because they are out of your reach.

Not really a secret thought if you posted it. But I get it.

Anyway, I do have annual passes. (So they are not out of my reach at current prices or at $3k or $5k.) But it is a different transaction, so there would be a decision to make.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Your analogy doesn't take multi-day discounts into account and most anyone traveling that number of days per year would certainly be doing multi-day trips.

True. But a post including many factors gets unreadable.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

True. But a post including many factors gets unreadable.

As long as we can agree that 20 days to break even on a $3k AP is way off the mark. I've seen you make plenty of long unreadable posts before.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

As long as we can agree that 20 days to break even on a $3k AP is way off the mark. I've seen you make plenty of long unreadable posts before.

We do not have to agree. Twenty days to break even is definitely not unreasonable in my book. Locals often do a day at a time; not multi-day trips.

Yes. I have posted long posts. Usually they were packed with significant new research. Nobody is required to read any post here.

 

[RoseGold]

I renewed my AP! Say hi if you see me in my Unfavorable Mix shirt.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I renewed my AP! Say hi if you see me in my Unfavorable Mix shirt.

You got an unfavorable mix shirt! I am so jealous!

 

[Sandisw]

I secretly think that some of you would rather they raise the prices to price out all the ones who currently have them because they are out of your reach. I am blessed to have a very large disposable income so these prices don’t hurt yet and it’s 4 of us, but I will most certainly not renew if they raise them to where we are paying between $3k and $5k for AP’s.

We currently have Incredipass with all the options($16xx.. x’s 4 with taxes)! Even then, that was nothing to sneeze at! I’d be dang gone if I were to pay $5k x 4 for AP’s. I’d still use my DVC as accommodations how it’s intended and visit other places. WDW would become my Legacy place to visit!

I think that something like a pass as described above would be more attractive to the FL resident than anyone other type of guest because things like parking at theme parks and resorts do not apply to DVC at all and cash guests only have resort parking fees if they have a car.

What would ideal..as so many of us have said is to have just three types of products..a yearly ticket that is only valid with onsite stays…a typical AP as exists now for FL residents and then your multi day tickets.

The bigger piece is that depending on who you are and your needs, you are going to see it differently.

So, for someone who is local and knows they will get at least double the break even days, even at $3k it would be doable,

For those who are DVC, a pass to break even at 20 days isn’t going to be popular because plans can change..

If the goal is to have a product that is exclusive and limited, then sky’s the limit.

I think that no matter what course of action they take moving forward, some will be happy and some will not.

 

[TeamRiley]

If they totally eliminated APs and Local Passes I would be OK with it.

 

[Sandisw]

If they totally eliminated APs and Local Passes I would be OK with it.

I honestly think what we will see is multi day passes only with special discounts and deals along the way when they are needed.

While I love my AP and would hate to lose it, if they offered a 20% discount for DVC owners in place of Sorcerer Pass I could work with that.

Give FL residents are larger discount or make it seasonal in nature.