AP sales…

[Sandisw]

Some folks may feel a sense of entitlement, certainly. I am willing to bet that many AP consumers, if not most, folks have become accustomed to their AP's as part of the overall "value" evaluation of giving Disney our vacation dollars. The entire premise of DVC is to lock in current pricing for access to deluxe resorts into the future, which also factors into the value proposition. Other programs such as free/reduced dining, magical express, etc. have also factored into the value proposition. It all matters. So, it's not a question of entitlement but another piece to the erosion of value.

At least for us.

I agree that I think its more disappointment and frustration (then entitlement). Most just believe that decisions being made changes to how one will travel to WDW as an owner of DVC.

As mentioned by many, one will have to figure out which aspects are still workable for your own situation and which are not. We did not look at all those other features like Magical express, resale value, etc. as part of it when we decided. We simply said for X dollars a year, we go 5 to 6 nights to the CR. With a typical discount, we spend Y on the hotel room. If I buy 180 DVC points, with MFs', how many nights do I get? At the time, I got more in a studio and about the same in a 1 bedroom.

But, what has happened is we are no longer the same type of guest we once were and what AP's have done is allowed us, especially me, to pop in and out of a park for an hour or two without worrying about it....or hop a on plane and go for one night just to a preview.

It will see how things play out and as I mentioned earlier, depending on what DPEP does with any sort of AP/multiday over a year ticket program, they may or may not get back lost guests if it fails miserably for them...

 

[BeachClub2014]

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I agree that I think its more disappointment and frustration (then entitlement). Most just believe that decisions being made changes to how one will travel to WDW as an owner of DVC.

As mentioned by many, one will have to figure out which aspects are still workable for your own situation and which are not. We did not look at all those other features like Magical express, resale value, etc. as part of it when we decided. We simply said for X dollars a year, we go 5 to 6 nights to the CR. With a typical discount, we spend Y on the hotel room. If I buy 180 DVC points, with MFs', how many nights do I get? At the time, I got more in a studio and about the same in a 1 bedroom.

But, what has happened is we are no longer the same type of guest we once were and what AP's have done is allowed us, especially me, to pop in and out of a park for an hour or two without worrying about it....or hop a on plane and go for one night just to a preview.

It will see how things play out and as I mentioned earlier, depending on what DPEP does with any sort of AP/multiday over a year ticket program, they may or may not get back lost guests if it fails miserably for them...

Totally agree.

Many of the changes have forced us to change how we do Disney, and not for the better. I don't want to derail this thread but it all matters. Having to make park reservations, not being able to park hop until after 2:00, Genie+, etc. have all been incremental changes that have forced us to change our approach to enjoying WDW and degraded the overall value. At least to us. We haven't reached the breaking point, but we are inching ever closer.

It isn't an entitlement, it's a disappointment.

 

[MICKIMINI]

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Totally agree.

Many of the changes have forced us to change how we do Disney, and not for the better. I don't want to derail this thread but it all matters. Having to make park reservations, not being able to park hop until after 2:00, Genie+, etc. have all been incremental changes that have forced us to change our approach to enjoying WDW and degraded the overall value. At least to us. We haven't reached the breaking point, but we are inching ever closer.

It isn't an entitlement, it's a disappointment.

Just returning this past week, we were really annoyed with not being able to park hop until 2 pm. We are AP owners. It wasn't so much for DH and I as it was for our son and DIL who might be at another park first thing and were "stuck" and unable to meet us for lunch at our park. They can get around much easier than we can.

There were days we had reservations and never went which made me feel a bit guilty, which is ridiculous, and also wonder if there are/will be repercussions for not going. I never know how I will feel on any given day and not making park reservations likely means we won't be able to get a slot if I do feel well. I just wonder about this situation and potential AP changes. We can't be the only ones...

 

[ParkHoppers]

I would be shocked if Disney eliminated AP for Florida residents. With what is going on with Reedy Creek and Universal opening a new park this would not be the time to turn on the locals. Won’t happen IMO.

 

[DVCsloth]

The only reason we are passholders is because we bought into DVC "2014". We have kept our Florida resident passes current ever since. We sometimes alternate between passes though, depending on block out dates. We usually go between 10-14 days total and buying the pass comes out a little less $ but not usually a large amount. Hoping Disney gets back to normal soon and they are doing all this because they are trying to balance attendance and not about maximum profit. I realize it is an incredible amount of money and effort to keep this all going. We do spend quite an amount of money every year at Disney.

 

[SL6827]

They have from time to time offered resort discounts to e.g. Georgia residents. It's not unprecedented.

When?

 

[lowlight]

There is a part of me that wants Disney to not bring back AP's in the face of a looming economic disaster. The story of Icarus resonated with me as a child. My groceries are 40% more expensive than they were 2 years ago, heck some necessities are 2x as much (fuel, heating gas, etc). Disney+, AP's, DVC, all types of discretionary spending, these are all the first things to go when I have to make financial cuts. I know a lot of people here on the boards are extravagantly wealthy, but Disney keeps pushing the middle class away and I hope their wings melt.

 

[john7994]

When?

On mousesavers.com
I found a page with the historical discounts (rooms and dining packages). End of 2020 - pretty much the entire SE (including Georgia had discount promotions (15-30%) on rooms. The link and tables also showed a pretty consistent frequency of discounts for Florida Residents and AP holders:
https://www.mousesavers.com/historical-information-on-walt-disney-world-resort-discounts/

 

[mlayton14]

Totally understand and I think disappointment is certainly the right word for this situation

 

[Hoppy-tn]

This may have already been asked and answered but are club 33 members still allowed to get annual passes?
nevermind found my answer in previous comments in this thread.

 

[Prince John Robin Hood]

This may have already been asked and answered but are club 33 members still allowed to get annual passes?
nevermind found my answer in previous comments in this thread.

The annual dues sure look a lot cheaper for club 33 with no AP's being offered currently and VIP tours difficult to book.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Does anyone remember back in September last year when they introduced the Sorcerers's pass how white card members were posting that they had been able to buy it? Did this partly cause the upsurge in pass sales? And, perhaps more importantly, will these passes be eligible for renewal?

No way. There just aren’t that many white card holders to make this kind of impact. Don’t forget that white card holders are only people who have purchased resale since, what, 2016ish?

 

[corpcomp]

The only reason we are passholders is because we bought into DVC "2014". We have kept our Florida resident passes current ever since. We sometimes alternate between passes though, depending on block out dates. We usually go between 10-14 days total and buying the pass comes out a little less $ but not usually a large amount. Hoping Disney gets back to normal soon and they are doing all this because they are trying to balance attendance and not about maximum profit. I realize it is an incredible amount of money and effort to keep this all going. We do spend quite an amount of money every year at Disney.

It is all about the money.

 

[Disney mac]

It is all about the money.

It's all about Bob Chupack's money...his bonus....

 

[Pooh12863]

Why do folks feel entitled to discounts ? The AP is a discount plain and simple. Please don’t throw around the term loyalty - people don’t goto Disney because they are supporting a cause, they go because they see the value in their dollar spent. No one is shutting anyone out of the parks - you just have to pay for it. If Disney experiences issues filling their parks in the future (inevitable) there will be discounts galore.

You're right an AP is technically a discount, as is the Universal and
Sea World/Busch Gardens AP's. I'm going to patronize the business that gives me the best value for my dollar. Your move Disney.

 

[Brian Noble]

I think that's a pretty rational approach. But, I suspect the response is: "We understand. It's been good having you. Let us know if you'd like to come back."

Maybe at some point in the future, there will be a new "invitation" in the form of some sort of bulk-admission discount. All things considered, I think that is likely to happen within the short-to-medium term.

 

[BillPA]

Disney stock is 70 points, 107.95, below this date last year 177.38, and no signs of improving. Something needs to be done, maybe get rid of paycheck!

 

[Disney mac]

Disney stock is 70 points, 107.95, below this date last year 177.38, and no signs of improving. Something needs to be done, maybe get rid of paycheck!

Hey don’t you worry, genie+, ILL, and park ticket dynamic pricing is on the way to save us all!!!
And when that is tapped out, watch out for the bathroom fees, the resort fees, the water fees, the wifi fees, the oxygen breathing fee, and the Chupack retirement fee.

 

[SL6827]

Hey don’t you worry, genie+, ILL, and park ticket dynamic pricing is on the way to save us all!!!
And when that is tapped out, watch out for the bathroom fees, the resort fees, the water fees, the wifi fees, the oxygen breathing fee, and the Chupack retirement fee.

Very true.

 

[New Mouse]

Hey don’t you worry, genie+, ILL, and park ticket dynamic pricing is on the way to save us all!!!
And when that is tapped out, watch out for the bathroom fees, the resort fees, the water fees, the wifi fees, the oxygen breathing fee, and the Chupack retirement fee.

Wifi already has a fee. They just don't tell you about it. But I could see them charging a fee on top of a fee Ala parking.