Anyone watch the mens marathon

[Bob Slydell]

Originally posted by Viking
In one of the swim events the American swimmer was disqualified because one of the judges ruled that he had made a mistake during one of the turns. He obviously started stroking a bit too early before having completed the turn, which is against the rules. The Austrian who finished second stated the he did not want to win the Gold this way and the American would have won anyway. So he asked the judges to reconsider their ruling, what they did.
Some people just have style and know what fairness is about.

Except for the fact that the turn was deemed legal, you're absolutely, well, wrong.

The Austrian said he didn't want to win the gold that way because he was beaten by nearly two seconds -- that turn had nothing to do with it.

 

[Viking]

Originally posted by Deb in IA
And defrocked priest Cornelious Horan doesn't even get jail time. He's still out and about . . .

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040830_153.html

Yup,
I was shocked when I heard it on the evening news: He got on year, but was set free on parole immediately - I just don't get it

 

[Viking]

Originally posted by Bob Slydell
Except for the fact that the turn was deemed legal, you're absolutely, well, wrong.

The Austrian said he didn't want to win the gold that way because he was beaten by nearly two seconds -- that turn had nothing to do with it.

Do you need a drawing, or what? I stated that the Austrian said he would have been beaten anyway. But nevertheless the American was disqualified because the judge ruled 'wrong turn', because the Austrian asked for it the tape of the turn was rerun, they saw that the guy didn't gain by it, so they reversed the judge's ruling - It was a noble gesture from the Austrian, a gesture that would done Hamm good, too - But as stated before: Some people have style, and some haven't.
Is that clear enough even for you?

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by Viking
Do you need a drawing, or what? I stated that the Austrian said he would have been beaten anyway. But nevertheless the American was disqualified because the judge ruled 'wrong turn', because the Austrian asked for it the tape of the turn was rerun, they saw that the guy didn't gain by it, so they reversed the judge's ruling - It was a noble gesture from the Austrian, a gesture that would done Hamm good, too

He was NOT disqualified. From the ESPN story on the event, "Before the United States even had time to fill out a protest form, the decision was overturned by the International Swimming Federation committee." It was a judging error corrected on the spot. End of story.

Originally posted by Viking
But as stated before: Some people have style, and some haven't.

Is that clear enough even for you?

Well, you are sure right about that.

 

[Bob Slydell]

The Austrian didn't ask for the appeal, the US swim team coaches did. The Austrian (who, it's true, was a classy person) told Piersol that he "should protest the ruling" when they were standing poolside, but outside of that, he had nothing else to do with the ruling being overturned.

Keep on trying to make all the American athletes look like poor sports -- you're getting good at it.

 

[DukeStreetKing]

Originally posted by Jimbo
He was NOT disqualified. From the ESPN story on the event, "Before the United States even had time to fill out a protest form, the decision was overturned by the International Swimming Federation committee." It was a judging error corrected on the spot. End of story.

More German revisionist history?

 

[chrissie123]

i`m confused is this thread about this Horan guy who we know very well in the uk(unfortunately)... Or who won the swimming....

 

[LisaSt]

I can't believe the guy is out of jail what a joke he is a nut job and should be locked in a padded room someplace where the only person he can hurt is himself.

 

[Deb in IA]

Originally posted by DukeStreetKing


More German revisionist history?

I don't know, Duke.

viking probably knows a lot about cheating in swimming:

"It is generally conceded that the introduction of performance-enhancing drugs to swimming commenced in the early 1970s in the USSR and East Germany. The inspiration for this approach came from successes in other sports, particularly track and field, cycling, and weightlifting. The initial programs lasted until those two nations met their demise.

The East German system was different. A centralized system was run by the state. Top sporting officials were made STASI members and from the top down coerced all individuals who participated in sports. Effective secrecy was achieved through a multi-tiered monitoring, the threat of severe punishments, and financial rewards for compliance. Exercise and medical specialists monitored program implementations. The majority of programs focused on power and speed events with few East German athletes excelling in endurance activities. It is now known that all East German swimmers since 1972 were subjected to doping schemes.

East Germany ceased as a swimming nation in its unification with West Germany and almost immediately information about two decades of successful institutionalized drug use began to surface. Since then, released STASI reports have exposed the deception. Through present-day investigations in West Germany, names are gradually being released indicating the universality of the East German doping program. Although some names have not yet surfaced in STASI documents, it is anticipated that no former East German swimmer will escape the distinction of having cheated in their careers. Despite the continual flow of evidence of East German drug-enhanced performances and officials' compliance with drug schemes, the IOC and FINA have been reluctant to recognize the validity of the revelations and unwilling to right the wrongs that were largely ignored for two decades."

Excerpts from Drugs: The Crisis in Swimming section of Swimming Science Journal

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/dept/coachsci/swimming/drugs/drughist.htm

 

[Loftus]

Originally posted by Deb in IA
I don't know, Duke.

viking probably knows a lot about cheating in swimming:

"It is generally conceded that the introduction of performance-enhancing drugs to swimming commenced in the early 1970s in the USSR and East Germany. The inspiration for this approach came from successes in other sports, particularly track and field, cycling, and weightlifting. The initial programs lasted until those two nations met their demise.

The East German system was different. A centralized system was run by the state. Top sporting officials were made STASI members and from the top down coerced all individuals who participated in sports. Effective secrecy was achieved through a multi-tiered monitoring, the threat of severe punishments, and financial rewards for compliance. Exercise and medical specialists monitored program implementations. The majority of programs focused on power and speed events with few East German athletes excelling in endurance activities. It is now known that all East German swimmers since 1972 were subjected to doping schemes.

East Germany ceased as a swimming nation in its unification with West Germany and almost immediately information about two decades of successful institutionalized drug use began to surface. Since then, released STASI reports have exposed the deception. Through present-day investigations in West Germany, names are gradually being released indicating the universality of the East German doping program. Although some names have not yet surfaced in STASI documents, it is anticipated that no former East German swimmer will escape the distinction of having cheated in their careers. Despite the continual flow of evidence of East German drug-enhanced performances and officials' compliance with drug schemes, the IOC and FINA have been reluctant to recognize the validity of the revelations and unwilling to right the wrongs that were largely ignored for two decades."

Excerpts from Drugs: The Crisis in Swimming section of Swimming Science Journal

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/dept/coachsci/swimming/drugs/drughist.htm

I STRONGLY suspect that Viking is from what was West Germany

 

[orvilleair]

I guess back on topic. The police officer was riding a bicycle next to the marathon leader, and he eventually intervened. The spectator with the light blue shirt was the first to get the attacker off of the runner. I don't know what more could be done. The marathon is a free event for the spectators, and I understand the attacker flew in to Athens on the morning of the marathon. Maybe more could have been done at the airports to prevent him from flying in.

As for the gold medal, I believe he was going to be overtaken by the Italian and maybe by the American anyway. The announcers thought the Brazilian was getting tired on a tough course.

 

[LisaSt]

Doping occurs in all sorts and from all countries some of them are just better at hiding it is all. Look at Ben Johnston from Canada he ran the fastest time you will ever see in the 100 meters did he use drugs to help damn straight he did does it mean he didn't run the time no regardless if he used them or not he still ran it and should be honoured wit the record time. I am sure CL used to but they just got better at not being caught using. All countries do it and as I said some are just getting better at hiding it.

 

[DukeStreetKing]

Originally posted by LisaSt
Doping occurs in all sorts and from all countries some of them are just better at hiding it is all. Look at Ben Johnston from Canada he ran the fastest time you will ever see in the 100 meters did he use drugs to help damn straight he did does it mean he didn't run the time no regardless if he used them or not he still ran it and should be honoured wit the record time. I am sure CL used to but they just got better at not being caught using. All countries do it and as I said some are just getting better at hiding it.

Where's your proof that Carl Lewis used performance enhancing drugs? What a broad brush you paint with.

Oh, and the Olympics are run as a drug-free event, so no, Ben Johnson should NOT be honored with the record time.

 

[LisaSt]

It was a known fact that CL used performance enhacnig drugs he just did a better job of not getting caught. Look at all the doping infractions this year. As for the record time yes it should still stand if not as an olympic record then as a world record and guiness record. No one country will ever tell it's athletes to not use drugs to enhance performance and most will help them cover it up if need be. Canda tried to make an example of Johnston with everything that happened but you can be sure they helped him along with doing it in one way or another. It is far more widespread than you know and with the advent of all the professional athletes that are now participating in the games it will be even harder to stop. Some of the leagues allow the use of certain things to help performance and the athletes use them. I have not yet heard of a hockey player or basketball player or team getting booted from the olympics for this and we know that they use them so where do we draw the line. You can't have one side that can use certain enhancements get away with it and the rest not get away with it double standard but after all with the judging and poorly run IOC in the recent past look at the scandal with Salt Lake City for example how can they expect to have the athletes play fair when thye themselves don't

 

[DukeStreetKing]

Originally posted by LisaSt
It was a known fact that CL used performance enhacnig drugs he just did a better job of not getting caught. Look at all the doping infractions this year. As for the record time yes it should still stand if not as an olympic record then as a world record and guiness record. No one country will ever tell it's athletes to not use drugs to enhance performance and most will help them cover it up if need be. Canda tried to make an example of Johnston with everything that happened but you can be sure they helped him along with doing it in one way or another. It is far more widespread than you know and with the advent of all the professional athletes that are now participating in the games it will be even harder to stop. Some of the leagues allow the use of certain things to help performance and the athletes use them. I have not yet heard of a hockey player or basketball player or team getting booted from the olympics for this and we know that they use them so where do we draw the line. You can't have one side that can use certain enhancements get away with it and the rest not get away with it double standard but after all with the judging and poorly run IOC in the recent past look at the scandal with Salt Lake City for example how can they expect to have the athletes play fair when thye themselves don't

Point me to an article where it proves Carl Lewis used performance enhancing drugs. I have never read or heard where that is true.

 

[Tiggeroo]

The sad thing about doping is that it becomes impossible for someone who won't do it to compete on the higher levels. I have a son who runs xc and track and is going to do this for college. He has alot of friends who run too. Some of them are hoping for higher levels of competition. I don't think they stand a chance if others are doping. I saw an interesting program on this on discovery channel. The drugs athletes take are getting more and more sophisticated. But so are the testing methods.

 

[ErikdaRed]

C'mon Duke, its a known fact, they don't need an article.

 

[LisaSt]

It was actually about a year after Johnson was stripped of the medal I do believe it was a big write up in SI but can't rmember for sure as it was so long ago now. I just remember reading it. You also skirted the rest of the statement. I know a number of pro hocey players that use things like Creatine and a few other things that help with oxygen absorbtion during games to help keep them going. I know for certain that they played for Canada and the US at the last Olympics but yet neither team was stripped of their medals how can this be as I said double standard and they know it is good for rating etc for the games that is why. I seriously thing they need to revamp the IOC after the bribery scandal from Salt Lake and I beleive for China were uncovered and the games should be stripped from the countries that won their bid on those pretenses.

 

[DukeStreetKing]

ErikdaRed, whether it's true or not, I would still like to read the article for myself and am just looking for a source. And sorry, it's not such a known fact.

LisaSt, I really wasn't interested in the rest of the statement, so I didn't bother to comment on it.


***** Editted to add *******

Ok, I found some older articles regarding drug doping and Carl Lewis. Apparently there was never enough proof of Carl's intent to cheat, so the IOC let him run. I stand corrected on this issue, however it doesn't appear that the amounts of substance found in his samples were strong enough to help anyway. At least that's the party line.

I am not naive to the fact that athletes use performance drugs but if creatine is a banned substance, why can I buy it right off the shelf and GNC or my local supermarket? I mean, what does it supposedly do for the athletes that would give them an edge?

 

[LisaSt]

NP Dukestreet I wasn't sure if you just skipped it for any reason or just to skip it no big deal. BTW this is Lisa's hubby Darren I am stuck home for a few weeks after having a knee operation last Tuesday. I am pretty sure it was SI but like I said it was so long ago now I can't be 100% sure if that was the publication. It was a big write up on drugs in amature sports. Tiggeroo you are correct for kids to advance anymore they almost have to guarantee a stint in the doping game not always the case but for many it is.